Asking for the 3% PayPal fee

But, if you have stock in Paypal and want to disguise the fact that paypal is cutting themselves in for 3% of our transaction, I understand.

If someone wants to accept PayPal with a basic account from the balance of another persons account, you get charged nothing and IMO thats the way to go for people who are really concerned with getting that 3% back. But if you upgrade your account, you know right off the bat, every single transaction will cost them 3%. NO ONE processes credit card transactions for free. Thats a simple fact of life.

Is it fair to me if I am charged 3% even though I may have a basic account and I am sending funds via my PayPal balance? I mean, you would be the reason there even was a fee b/c you upgraded when it wasn't really needed for OUR transaction.
 
I prefer to be paid through PayPal. For that preference, I give up the 3% fee. I lose more underestimating the shipping and insurance than I do on the PayPal fee.

Personally if a seller is asking for the 3%, I don't mind paying since it's worth it to me not to have to get a money order.
 
Is it fair to me if I am charged 3% even though I may have a basic account and I am sending funds via my PayPal balance? I mean, you would be the reason there even was a fee b/c you upgraded when it wasn't really needed for OUR transaction.

It isn't that simple.

As a PayPal buyer , if I spend more than $1000, some of it using my credit card, I am required to "upgrade".

Back when I was only buying and not selling, that is what happened to me. Once I became a seller as well, I was stuck with "Premier" status.

It's about the money. Most knives in my price range $150-$400 would be $4.50 to $12 on a $400 purchase. If that’s too much for the seller to budge, don't accept PayPal or as mentioned above, downgrade your account so you can accept from the balance or Echeck free of charge.

You are most correct here, it IS about the money. On a $400 transaction, the fee will be right at $12. If I bought a custom knife at www.knifeart.com for $550+shipping, then sell it for $400 including shipping, who is getting the deal?


Funny thing, I recently sold a custom knife on Ebay (where POSTING PayPal fees remuneration is prohibited. Another funny thing - it doesn't stop people from send a buyer an email afterward saying if you want to use PayPal, add 3%.). I had a buyer actually ADD a PayPal fee that I did not ask for to cover the cost. He got a helluva bargain and was damn glad for it!!!!!
 
Originally posted by roshi
I lose more underestimating the shipping and insurance than I do on the PayPal fee.

:D :D I'm glad I am not the only one. I have GROSSLY underestimated shipping sooo many times. Oh well, my bad ;) :D
 
It isn't that simple.
As a PayPal buyer , if I spend more than $1000, some of it using my credit card, I am required to "upgrade".

I understand what your saying, but I still do not see how that would be the buyers fault and how he should be responsible for your Premier membership when he is a basic member sending cash from his account balance.

Fact is, if a seller is accepting PayPal, it’s for a reason. Either its b/c they prefer that method or it allows for a buyer to purchase it with credit card, something they wouldn't be able to do without PayPal, you are benefiting and you should eat the fees. That’s what you agreed to in a legally binding agreement and in my opinion, you should stick to it. If that 3% is taking away too much money from an already good sale you have going, raise the price or don't accept PayPal.
 
my two cents..
sometimes I ask other times I dont..it depends on the knife and the price Im asking..and who is paying shipping..I prefer paypal cause its faster for all parties..and you can cut and paste mailing addy right onto word lable maker..its nice..Ive done it both ways and never had problems..

Ren
 
I simply think the 3% fee is the 'cost of doing business'. 1 1/5% shows me the person is willing to split the benefit/cost.

Myself, I NEVER ask for the annoying fee in return. PayPal is a service to both ends. Good commentary from all sides, though.

Coop
 
First some facts:

All businesses who accept credit cards pay fees to the credit card company, and they've all signed agreements that include a clause saying they won't charge their customers extra for credit card transactions. The idea is they're supposed to get more business if they accept credit cards, and the increased volume is supposed to be well worth the fees they pay.

That works for some businesses, doesn't for others. If a pricey hotel starts accepting credit cards their volume usually goes up and the resultant profits more than pay for the fees, risk, and hassle involved. If a newstand starts accepting credit cards, though, they usually don't sell enough extra newspapers and magazines and cigarettes to pay for the credit card fees, frauds, and labor of processing. Therefore most hotels accept credit cards and most newstands don't.

Many people suspect businesses pay for the expenses involved, not with increased volume, but by raising their prices. Examined closely that suspicion doesn't make much sense. If your local newstand started accepting credit cards and raised their prices a penny per newspaper, they might gain some credit card customers but a lot of their cash customers would start going to the newstand across town, and in a week the newstand would see they're making less money and forget about that idea. A hotel's customers would take more than a week to figure out they can get a better deal at the hotel across town, but they'd figure it out eventually. (If you own a hotel and think they wouldn't ... um ... why don't you just plain raise your prices?)

I think the net dealers regard Paypal as just like a credit card and decide whether or not to take it by comparing fees, risk, and hassle with the various credit card companies. I expect they have a pretty good idea whether it's worth it for them or not.

For a knife knut who only sells an occasional knife on the net, though, it's not so clear. It isn't practical for him to deal directly with the credit card companies. If he accepts Paypal he probably has better odds of selling his knife for the price he wants in the time he wants to sell it in -- but how much better are the odds? Enough to make up for the 3% fee? How's he supposed to know?

Maybe he dithers about it ... should he accept Paypal? Shouldn't he? Hey, maybe I'll compromise -- I'll accept it but only if the buyer is willing to pay the 3% fee for me ... then I can't lose, right???

Or can I?

Everybody knows that's a violation of the seller's contract with Paypal. Some prospective buyers might look at that and think, hey, this guy is breaking his contract with Paypal, he's unethical, he's likely to break his contract with me too. I ain't dealin' with him!

No doubt most people don't think that way. Either they don't think about it at all or they figure violating the boilerplate in a contract with a faceless giant corporation like Paypal is different from ripping off a buyer.

But some of them might figure he'd keep his contract with me but just the same even a contract with a corporation is a contract and he's being unethical and that's just wrong and I'm not going to support that; I ain't gonna deal with anybody who would do that.

Other possibilities occur to me.... What if somebody reports me to Paypal, and Paypal cancels my account and refuses to do business with me any more? What are the odds of that happening? I dunno....

I hear that clause of the contract is legally enforceable in some jurisdictions ... is it in mine? Or in the buyer's? What are the odds of getting into trouble? I dunno....

What if instead of charging 3% extra for Paypal I raise my asking price 3% and offer a 3% discount for payment by money order? Would that be exactly the same except not a violation of the contract? I dunno. I can't afford to pay an attorney to tell me ... and I sure can't afford to go to court to find out....

Well, I started out with some facts, got into a lot of reasoning and speculation ... and where am I now? I dunno....
 
Posted by TheBadGuy:

That’s what you agreed to in a legally binding agreement and in my opinion, you should stick to it. If that 3% is taking away too much money from an already good sale you have going, raise the price or don't accept PayPal.

You keep tappin' the "legally binding agreement" scenario. . .yet you condon raising the selling price (to add the "dreaded 3%" price hike) as long as you don't see it.

Just don't understand that concept ! :(


I honestly think that the people here list their for sale wares, in detail, so that the prospective buyers know exactly what they're getting for their frog skins.

In addition, I honestly don't think that there are any attempts at "sneaky/underhanded" tactics going on to take "anyones" 3%.

I've sold and have purchased a number of knives on this forum. I truly can't remember if I have ever charged anyone a 3% fee. If I did. . .it was agreed to before or during the close of the knife transaction. During purchases. . .I've paid the 3% fee. . .and it was agreed to before or during the close of the knife transaction.


Personally, I don't think that "masking" the 3% fee is a very good idea.
 
I don't usually have a problem paying a 3% fee. If I'm buying a $100 knife, the fee is $3. If I send a Postal Money order, it costs me 90¢ for the MO, 37¢ for the stamp, a few cents for the envolope, my gas to run to the post office for the MO, my time to stand in line to get the MO........... Did I save anything by not paying the extra 3%? NO! $1.27 + gas + time (20 minutes at least). So I'll happily pay the extra fee for the quickness and convienence.

I just don't see why people get so upset about it. Yes, technically it's not legal. But then again, buying/shipping auto knives isn't exactly legal either, but many of us do it. :)

I say charge if you want, don't if you don't want to. If the deal is a good one, I'll buy it either way.
 
If you really want to call the 3% charge many individuals put on the sales of their items a problem, it's because they are individuals trying to do business like a business, accepting credit card payments. Businesses factor in these and many other expenses as a cost of doing business. They'll figure their profit margin accordingly, adding in whatever the marketplace will bear on the indiviual item. Many items are loss leaders, sold at little or no margin. Us knife knuts don't like to sell our knives that way, but we often do when they're used, etc.

Personally, I just ignore anyone trying to sell something via paypal with a 3% kicker, in other words, take my business elsewhere, which is my perogative. If it's something I really want, I can always go to the credit union and get a cashier's check for free anyway.

Hank:cool:
 
Most "plastic" companies charge some fee to the merchant or in this case "seller" regardles of if it's a compny or just some guys selling a few things. In this case the sellers have chosen to use a service in order to facilitate easier sales. The service provider charges a fee just like the seller is charging a fee for product/srvice. I frequently travel on business and for example I have been advised that Amex charges more than Visa/MC and therefore, occassionally, I do encounter some restaurants or equip merchants that either do not accept Amex (or at least initilally state that they do not) and if I wish to use an alternate payment method it is my choice to buy (cash, check, other plastic) or go to another merchant. Occassionally if on my way out the door, the merchant will suddenly admit that they do in fact accept Amex, it's just not their preferrred method of payment. It's all a matter of choice. At the same time I would also note that in the case of this subject although some of the sellers have mentioned that if a buyer wants their product they can either pay the (in this case 3%) servivce fee or they can send a money order (another seller preferred payment method) and save the 3% fee. I would also put forth that if a buyer is unwilling to absorb at least part of a convenience service fee for paypal and the only other option is a money order then should'nt the seller be likewise willing to deduct the buyer's costs of travel and fees for the money order? This may have been covered at least in part but I had an urgent call to attend to. Hope this is not considered inflamitory in any way.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,

Stuart
 
My $.02. What if someone beats you down to rock bottom on your price and then they hit you with paypal?
 
I just will not buy the item. That simple.
I may drop a note to say something about it, only if i really wanted the item, and most likely i'd just pass on by.

In stores, people pay by cash or check or credit card.
Online, checks take a week to arrive and sometimes two more to clear.

In a store the seller pays a HEFTY amount, per charge, plus a monthly fee for his merchant's account. This allows him to accept credit cards, and is the Seller's >>Cost of doing business<< To be factored into his overhead. Like his phone bill, electricity, heat, etc.

Online, there's far less overhead. The paypal fee is also significantly less than having a merchant's account for MC/Visa.

Theres no excuses for (edit: the seller Not) sucking up the 3%
You get your money immediately, without hassles of to/from the bank and the usual delays and time wasted at banks. All of this is covered above already, but it's how i see it and thought i'd add another voice for the "against" side.

If they won't eat it, then they can keep it.
 
It is my opinion that if it is the buyers choice to use Paypal then he should pay the 3%. If it is the seller that wants to be paid this way then he/she should be willing to absorb this charge.
 
yep, it's the sellers choice to violate the TOS of his Paypal agreement.

it's also my choice to pass on by.
i'll pass on "money order only" auctions just as fast.
I've been using paypal for years, and this trend to charge the extra seems to be a relatively new trend. Sellers need to realize how good they got it with paypal and just be happy to get it.


perhaps when they don't sell anything they'll change their thinking.
 
I have to say I agree with thebadguy on this Paypal 3% crap.It's a cost of doing business.If you are not willing to accept Paypal without tacking on a fee,then I really believe you have no business accepting Paypal service.This is not only because I agree with the user agreement issue,after all "We're only as good as our word"Going against the agreement you agreed to abide by is not being honest,now is it? no matter how you try to slice it.The seller is usually getting more of the benefit of taking Paypal,sell it faster,get money quicker,attract more buyers.No running to the bank to cash money orders etc.Why do you think businesses are willing to accept card fees,must be of a big benefit for a business to have such a service.But ultimetly who gets the most benefit isn't the real issue.I have to agree, it is quite humerous to see someone maintain this 3 % fee,even as they make multiple price drops in excess of said fee as their item is unsold for days.I'm sure some will still disagree with my opinion,but thats My two cents worth.
 
Originally posted by Gonzo_Beyondo

You get your money immediately, without hassles of to/from the bank and the usual delays and time wasted at banks.

I would disagree with those who say that the seller gets the money immediately. Unless the seller wants to turn around and buy something using PayPal, he/she must wait 3-4 business days for the funds to transfer from PayPal to the seller's bank account. (BTW, PayPal makes more money on this float than they do on the 3% fee.)
 
IMO sellers should eat the 3%.I have taken paypal several time and unless it is a sell of several hundred dollars the fee isn't much to worry about,not for me anyway.The convinance of it makes it worth the 3%.I just sold a knife on ebay friday and am now waiting on the M.O.Wish he had used paypal.
BTW I have bought very low end stuff a few times 10.00-20.00 and added enough to cover the fee with out being asked just as a little nice thing to do so as to make a even amout of money in the account on the sellers side.
Yes,the time it takes to get from ebay to your checking.They are makeing a killing in interest.Imagine how much cash is in all those accounts at any one time.
 
It's interesting to note that the folks that are bothered the most by the 3% fee are the ones who sell higher-end knives: $500+

It's easy to forgive $3 on a $100 knife. But when I sell a $800 knife, $24 is a bit harder to swallow. Having just dropped the price by $50 makes it even harder.

I'd have to say it's a case-by-case basis. I've absorbed the fee on less costly items and have asked for the fee on others (especially if I'm already doing somebody a favor...;) )

Dan
 
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