At What Point is a Knife OVERPRICED?

[barrabas74]

I would agree to your statement Phantom that you know a price is too high when no one(with the money) will buy it. Sometimes you just hit soft spots in the market when people are over spent but usually there's someone with the cash.

 

[STR]

At what point is a knife overpriced??

For the married man. When your wife asks how much the knife was and you hesitate to reply or tell her a white lie. The knife was probably higher than you needed to be spending.

For the single man. When you have to skip the cable bill because the knife in your pocket cost too much you probably got one overpriced for your budget.

In my mind the fact is that overpriced knives have nothing at all to do with the knife or the price so much as they have to do with what one can afford to spend without going out of their comfort zone, so generally speaking when you spend more than your comfort zone normally allows no matter if its a knife or a car or a house, the object of your attention is at that point, overpriced. It doesn't mean you can't get it, because obviously you can but you may have to bite the bullet and sacrifice some other things for a bit to get back into your zone.

STR

 

[Bungwrench]

A custom, or even production knife, with something like stag, ivory, or pearl AND something like Devin Thomas stainless damascus will COST the maker/manufacturer $200.00 in materials.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and may have absolutely no interest in these materials, I just wanted to share this information because you might be ignorant to these material costs.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Steven,

Thanks for sharing. You're right though, I have no interest in those materials.

FRN, G10, Micarta, and stainless are all I care about for handle materials. As far as blades go, 154CM, VG-10, ATS-55, S30V, D2, 440C, some versions of 420HC, and a few others.

I don't care one bit about damascus.

 

[cgusek111]

I have to wonder how you came up with that number. Does that low amount you guessed at ("about maybe") include tasks like grinding the blade and heat treating it? Are you a knifemaker?

The Strider knives go through a mass heat treatment. A lot of people think they are shaped and heat treated by hand, but they are not. Not to mention it only takes seconds to cut the shape of the blade using a water jet and only a few minutes to finish shaping the angles on CNC.

 

[dadanagast]

i have to agree with that the knife is overpriced if i want to buy it but i can't afford it.. but the problem is if it is overpriced than i want that knife more and more..

For the married man. When your wife asks how much the knife was and you hesitate to reply or tell her a white lie. The knife was probably higher than you needed to be spending.

this is true..
but you know women, everything is overpriced for them if we want to buy it..
.....

there is nothing to say really about overpriced knives..
if you can buy it, well it's not overpriced then..
it depends on the person's criterias not the knife itself.. if you want to buy that specific knife for instance, then nothing will stop you buying it..:jerkit: if you think that knife is well worth it, then you can pay its price..

price can be increase because it's rare, or the materials used (and their costs), or demand, or manufacturing costs.. or how many of us talking about that expensive knife here, in the forum..

...i can buy a knife that costs 2 pounds and it can still cut.. but if you look that way, every knife is overpriced if it costs more than 2 quid..

you can buy a car for couple of hundred and you can drive that.. you can reach whereever you want to go with that car.. or you can buy a ferrari (you know ferrari is the usual symbol for expensive cars..) and that will do the same thing.. but they are not the same, are they?..

anyway.. i thought that this discussion was really useful for me..

i wanted to ask you people about a knife that i order a while ago.. i ordered R. hinderer's xm-18.. it's nearly 400 dollars as you know.. do you think it's worth it if you compare with benchmade knives for example? or spyderco..
i know i'm paying too much maybe because of his popularity.. but i just want to learn which specific knives are worth it because of their names and their quality?..
i learnt that chris reeve knives really really good.. sebenza is a icon in folders maybe.. (as far as i know.. well, i know little about knives.. ) everyone says it's worth it.. but i also know bradley's alias I is similar quality but it costs half the price of sebenza.. is that true?.. if that is true, then why the people on forums aren't talking about bradley knives as much as other people talks about sebenzas?..

 

[OilMan]

i wanted to ask you people about a knife that i order a while ago.. i ordered R. hinderer's xm-18.. it's nearly 400 dollars as you know.. do you think it's worth it if you compare with benchmade knives for example? or spyderco..
i know i'm paying too much maybe because of his popularity.. but i just want to learn which specific knives are worth it because of their names and their quality?..

At $400 you're getting a steal on it but you have to have it in your hand before it means doodly squat. If you got an order in before he stopped taking them then you've been waiting a LONG time. The aftermarket prices would be around $100 more but I payed the extra so I'd actually have something in my hand.:thumbup: And Rick does awesome work, well worth the price diff between his knives and BMs.:thumbup:

 

[dadanagast]

thanks oilman..

 

[znode]

LOL.....if the Glock is shit to hold in your hand, then you must have a funny shaped hand. Ugly as they may be, the Glock is one of the scant few pistols that I have ever shot that does not require me to adjust my sight picture when swtiching from another gun.

Actually, you're the one with a funny shaped hand.

For most people, when they hold their hand in a loose fist in front of them, their fingers form an angle of about 11 degrees from the vertical.

That's the grip angle as John Moses Browning originally intended, and that's on the 1911s, that's on the Berettas, and that's on most of the Sigs.

The P220, the S&W, and the H&K USP angles lie somewhere between those and the Glocks, which has extreme grip angles of 19 degrees.

This isn't to say that Glock's grip angle is inherently flawed, but to say that that angle isn't strange to most people who have been around before Glocks would be completely false.

 

[Hyperborean]

Actually, you're the one with a funny shaped hand.

For most people, when they hold their hand in a loose fist in front of them, their fingers form an angle of about 11 degrees from the vertical.

That's the grip angle as John Moses Browning originally intended, and that's on the 1911s, that's on the Berettas, and that's on most of the Sigs.

The P220, the S&W, and the H&K USP angles lie somewhere between those and the Glocks, which has extreme grip angles of 19 degrees.

This isn't to say that Glock's grip angle is inherently flawed, but to say that that angle isn't strange to most people who have been around before Glocks would be completely false.

To znode: I realised your words were meant for jdm61 not me so I apologise for what I wrote.

 

[Sapper76]

Hey has anyone asked you for a comment on my hands which are far more attractive to women than your funny mug... BTW Where did I make a remark on glocks handle angle? I would ask of forumites who can't read poperly to refrain from making dumb comments regarding my writtings or anything else

ooh catfight

 

[Hyperborean]

:foot::foot:

 

[barrabas74]

At $400 you're getting a steal on it but you have to have it in your hand before it means doodly squat. If you got an order in before he stopped taking them then you've been waiting a LONG time. The aftermarket prices would be around $100 more but I payed the extra so I'd actually have something in my hand.:thumbup: And Rick does awesome work, well worth the price diff between his knives and BMs.:thumbup:

QFT I had my order in in August and I am still waiting. Hahaha but I got to hold it in a passaround, just that one week of using it will make waiting worth it now that i know what a solid good fealing piece it is.

 

[dadanagast]

i can't wait to hold xm-18 either..
..i assume xm-18's price well worth it for what it is then..:thumbup:

 

[OilMan]

Bad thing about aftermarket, besides the price, is you don't get to pick the config you really want. I would have gone with a satin drop point recurve flipper personally but ended up with a BB Spanto Flipper. Which I still like... but would have like the other better.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I feel a knife is overpriced when I can get another similar knife made with equivalent materials and having the same warranty, customer service and I can resell it for as high a price and as easily, for less money.

 

[jdm61]

Actually, you're the one with a funny shaped hand.

For most people, when they hold their hand in a loose fist in front of them, their fingers form an angle of about 11 degrees from the vertical.

That's the grip angle as John Moses Browning originally intended, and that's on the 1911s, that's on the Berettas, and that's on most of the Sigs.

The P220, the S&W, and the H&K USP angles lie somewhere between those and the Glocks, which has extreme grip angles of 19 degrees.

This isn't to say that Glock's grip angle is inherently flawed, but to say that that angle isn't strange to most people who have been around before Glocks would be completely false.

Well, if that is the case, why did Colt CHANGE the "perfect" grip of the 1911 when they went with the curved mainsrping housing, hmmm? Now go look at the grip angle of an Olympic rapid fire target pistol. As for the Smith, Glock and the 1911 for that matter, I grip each one slightly differently. I tend to ride high on the Smith and also a bit on the 1911 because I don't pin the grip safety. With that said most of these pistols work for me. I guees the Glock almost feels more like a revolver to me. Now if you want an example of a HORRIBLE feeling gun, go shoot a Desert Eagle I am not a fan of the USP either.

 

[Zwetschgen1]

In my opinion a knife is too expensive if I cannot replace it without having to hear about how I spent more money on a knife. Let's be serious. We lose pens, keys, cell phones, shoes, and obviously: knives. Sure you bet your bottom dollar I'd keep my eye on a $500 knife, but still in the end: I'd lose it. I'd misplace it, drop it while getting my wallet out, forget where I put it, etc. Just so recently I lost a small Gerber. The knife was only $20 so I just went and bought another one, but still. That makes $40. If I lose it again... $60, pretty soon I have $500 worth of $20 knives laying around the house. So, I buy reasonable: not too much, not too little.

 

[jdm61]

i have to agree with that the knife is overpriced if i want to buy it but i can't afford it.. but the problem is if it is overpriced than i want that knife more and more..



this is true..
but you know women, everything is overpriced for them if we want to buy it..
.....

there is nothing to say really about overpriced knives..
if you can buy it, well it's not overpriced then..
it depends on the person's criterias not the knife itself.. if you want to buy that specific knife for instance, then nothing will stop you buying it..:jerkit: if you think that knife is well worth it, then you can pay its price..

price can be increase because it's rare, or the materials used (and their costs), or demand, or manufacturing costs.. or how many of us talking about that expensive knife here, in the forum..

...i can buy a knife that costs 2 pounds and it can still cut.. but if you look that way, every knife is overpriced if it costs more than 2 quid..

you can buy a car for couple of hundred and you can drive that.. you can reach whereever you want to go with that car.. or you can buy a ferrari (you know ferrari is the usual symbol for expensive cars..) and that will do the same thing.. but they are not the same, are they?..

anyway.. i thought that this discussion was really useful for me..

i wanted to ask you people about a knife that i order a while ago.. i ordered R. hinderer's xm-18.. it's nearly 400 dollars as you know.. do you think it's worth it if you compare with benchmade knives for example? or spyderco..
i know i'm paying too much maybe because of his popularity.. but i just want to learn which specific knives are worth it because of their names and their quality?..
i learnt that chris reeve knives really really good.. sebenza is a icon in folders maybe.. (as far as i know.. well, i know little about knives.. ) everyone says it's worth it.. but i also know bradley's alias I is similar quality but it costs half the price of sebenza.. is that true?.. if that is true, then why the people on forums aren't talking about bradley knives as much as other people talks about sebenzas?..

Actually, a situation like this with ones wife has the potential to start a real dust up when you point out that your Fisk Sendero didn't cost a whole lot more than her huge Gucci, Burberry or Chanel purse/duffel bag and furthermore, you won't be collecting old credit card receipts and empty cosmetic containers in the bottom of your Kenny Rowe sheath anytime soon. As for what I would pay for a using hunter, I figure that i would pay close as what I would pay for the cheapest rifle scope i would use with my tired old color blind eyes and that would either be a Zeiss Conquest or a Pentax Lightseeker which means $275-$425. I guess that I am not really into the whole "disposable culture" thing when it comes to my toys

 

[tomcrx]

To me a knife is overpriced when it brings nothing new to the table either in design, workmanship or materials that already is not present on the market. That's why you see certain knives hold or increase their value over decades. Those makers brought paradigm shifts to the art or craft.

 

[jdm61]

To me a knife is overpriced when it brings nothing new to the table either in design, workmanship or materials that already is not present on the market. That's why you see certain knives hold or increase their value over decades. Those makers brought paradigm shifts to the art or craft.

And the makers who bring about those paradigm shifts are justly rewarded. Lokk at the prices for an average Loveless or Moran hunter these days. However, hat does not mean that the folks who follow in their footsteps do not make similar knives as well or sometimes a bit better than the masters. Bill Moran would no doubt have to you that straight up. I sometimes lie to compare Mssrs. Moran, Loveless, et al to guys like Muddy Waters, B.B. King, Chuck Berry and Elmore James. Folks like Eric Clapton, Peter Green, Duane Allman, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck and a host of others came along later and played faster, cleaner and in more complicated way, but at the end of the day, they were still riffing off of guys like Chuck, B.B., Muddy, and Elmore and were darn proud to admit it. Same deal with Hendrix, who, in my mind, was the next guy to change the paradigm as far as electric guitar playing.