Auction Site Knife From China That's Likely A Fake But I Love It. What About You Guys

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Once in a while you find a knife on a certain auction site that ships from China and is being sold at ridiculously low price. This is what happened to me and I'd like to tell you about it because I'd like some input about this knife just in case it turns out to be what it says it is.

The knife I bought is a fixed blade (unusual for me) and it's allegedly a Buck knife which shipped Directly from China. See picture below.
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I have no clue if the knife is a real Buck knife, I have no idea what steel composition the blade is made from, the only thing I do know is that I paid $15 (shipped) for it and here's the crazy part, I absolutely love this knife. I've got it close to razor sharp but beyond that I love the length of the blade, I love the handle and grip and the way they feel in my hand, I absolutely love the weight and balance of this knife too. I believe it's a full tang with a very solid pummel. The whole thing is very well designed and it honestly and truly feels great in your hand. It's one of those items you enjoy holding (if you guys know what I mean by that) and the crazy part to me is that I believe it's probably not really made by Buck but nevertheless it just feel really good. Perfect length blade, for my personal taste and standards. I'm thinking of buying a second one because at this price I feel completely at ease with modifying one of these to have a more "Pocket knife" sized version. I may or may not do this.

So here's the thing, does anyone know whether or not this is a legit Buck knife and secondly have any of you bought a "cheapie" knife of questionable pedigree that you absolutely love for one reason or another?

I'd be really interested in finding out more abou this "Buck" knife and I'd also like to hear about some of those cheapo knives you guys bought that you just love and are better then they really have any right to be. ;)

P.S. Notice my avatar and the fact I'm supporting the site again after a medium length hiatus. :)

EDIT: Here are some of the alleged specs on this particular knife:

Brand Buck

Blade Length 11.3cm OR 8.66142 inches

Blade thickness 0.35cm

Blade Material 5Cr15

Hardness 55-57HRC

Surface Sanding

Handle Length 10.7cm

Handle Material ABS

Length Overall 22cm

Weight About 200g
 
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Anything you buy for a ridiculously low price on ebay, that is shipped from China, is fake.
 
Yeah, I assumed it to be fake but that doesn't change the fact that it just feels excellent in weight and quality when held. So any of you guys ever bought any fakes, cheapos, that you absolutely love for one reason or another?
 
Doubtful it is a real Buck. The price alone should give you a good indication of that. I don't mind knives that share features, although many of the fanboys are rabid about defending any feature they think is private property of their favorite manufacturer.

In this case, I am almost positive that knife is a counterfeit. If it is, shame on the makers of that knife. It looks to me that they have intentionally made a copy of the Buck Vanguard so they can sell it as the real thing. That being the case, that knife represents nothing more than outright thievery. That is not only illegal in our country, but disgusting.

You should know that if it is the Vanguard model they were copying, you second clue to its shady manufacture is that the Buck Vanguard fixed blade you show is made in the USA. You would have purchased it here, not from China and had it shipped over. The shipping alone would be more than you paid if you sent it from the USA to China, then they sent it back here. That knife sells for about $75 bucks from a respected dealer/vendor here and you go it for $15. Should tell you something.

Like I said, I don't mind a close representation of certain features, but an outright copy is theft of property. No thanks. I don't care who makes it or where it's from. You won't find much support for dishonest business practices here, no matter how hard they worked to copy the real thing.

Robert
 
I have a fake "Mantrack" knife. The real one is worth like 400 bucks apparently but mine says Made in China. Almost spot on. It's one of my favorite knives.

This is the real one
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My fake one in there (dont' have any other pics) I guess the sheath missing the black border is another sign. The blade isn't iridescent on mine which I'm told is the easiest way to tell
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Well, I bought this one over a year ago and just picked it up last night and remembered how much fun it is to hold and play with. I'm by no means suggesting that it's a good thing that there are knock-offs so please don't get me wrong. When I bought it I thought I was getting the real thing and that it was used. It wasn't and I was fairly sure it was a fake but I already had it so what could I have done about it? Throw it away? I have no problem removing the BUCK lettering from it but since I'm not selling knives and it mostly resides in my desk drawer I figured what's the point. I'm not happy about buying a knock-off but what's done is done. Having said all taht I'm amazed by just how much I like this knife. The weight, feel, etc are absolutely great which is surprising considering it is a knock-off.

So I figured I'd ask if anyone else ended up with a cheapo, knock off, etc. that they absolutely enjoy the heck out of for one reason or another.

EDIT: I'd LOVE to get my hands on the real deal. I'm not really a fixed blade kind of guy but this size, shape and feel are just right. If anyone has a used one or whathave you then please let me know or PM me while respecting the rules of the board.
 
Funny how that works out. It's a shame that these get passed off as the real thing cause I'd buy it again as a "No Name" or "Non Knock-off" version.
 
Ogien
In a scenario that requires a knife I'd rather have a knockoff than nothing. It's just a matter of whether or not the knife you love can keep up with the real deal. If that was Bucks "Strongest knife ever built" knockoff then you wouldn't want to be caught in the middle of the woods batoning if all of the sudden the blade breaks off and stabs you in the foot or what not. Just be careful is really my point I guess.


Bill

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I have a TON of fake knives. Fake German SS Daggers, Cheap Swords that have strong steal, Cheap flippers, etc. I EDC my swisschamp cause I prefer real deal when it comes to EDC. I've basically stopped buying that crap as I'm only trying to buy stuff I can use and would be able to rely on. Most of the knives in that pic I showed you are stuff I can trust. The V-44 Jungle Survival is probably my most valuable.
 
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northwalesBill said:
I have a fake "Mantrack" knife. The real one is worth like 400 bucks apparently but mine says Made in China. Almost spot on. It's one of my favorite knives.

This is the real one
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My fake one in there (dont' have any other pics) I guess the sheath missing the black border is another sign. The blade isn't iridescent on mine which I'm told is the easiest way to tell
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I always try to stay clear of fakes as a general rule but some of them, not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing, are actually pretty decent in quality.

northwalesBill said:
Ogien
In a scenario that requires a knife I'd rather have a knockoff than nothing. It's just a matter of whether or not the knife you love can keep up with the real deal. If that was Bucks "Strongest knife ever built" knockoff then you wouldn't want to be caught in the middle of the woods batoning if all of the sudden the blade breaks off and stabs you in the foot or what not. Just be careful is really my point I guess.


Bill
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Bill, totally agree with you and this one pretty much sits in my drawer and I fiddle with it from time to time. As much as I might like it I haven't put it through it's paces to find out just how well it would or wouldn't behave in the field, as it were. So although a fake is better then nothing when you NEED a knife in an instant I agree that you have to know the blade along with what it can and can't do. This kind of thing is put to rest when you buy the real deal and that's important for people to know. The real thing cost as much as they do (sometimes they aren't all that expensive) but you KNOW what you're getting for your money. With knock-offs or cheapo knives it's always a crap-shoot.

My EDC is a legit Spyderco Endura 4 Hollow Grind. I bought it because it's a good knife that I know I can rely on without being so expensive that it would hurt to replace it. Which is one of the reasons my Spyderco Para 2 doesn't come out to play all that often. Just afraid of losing it or damaging it etc. I know that's the wrong attitude towards a knife BUT it is what it is. Love my Para 2 but would absolutely hate to somehow lose, damage or miscelanious with regards to it.

The thing is that when you buy a tried and true Brand you know what you're getting and know what to expect, you don't get that with fakes, knock-offs and cheapos because the materials used can swing wildly from good to horrible and there's just no way of knowing.
 
Ogien said:
... I'm amazed by just how much I like this knife. The weight, feel, etc are absolutely great which is surprising considering it is a knock-off.
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Sooo... you really like the design, but would rather not pay for it or would rather pay a thief who stole the design, built the knife, and sold it to specifically cut into the market of the original designer/maker/seller??? :confused:

Of course the feel is great, it is Buck's "Vanguard", it has been around for ages, an excellent design inspired (if not invented) by Bob Loveless, a design protected by law along with Buck's logo/company name, BOTH of which were ripped-off here. The Vanguard, USA-designed, USA-made, can be purchased for very little more than you payed for this copy, but comes with a lifetime warranty from the originator, and a long history. Instead of buying into that history, you robbed the designer/maker and encouraged piracy, brought a stain upon your character, and ended up with a random bit of sharpened metal that resembles the real thing just so you could feel how great the design really is. I am just... :confused: :barf:

If this were a rip-off of a company that you were angry at for ripping off someone else, I could understand... But what do you have against Buck Knives?
 
Ogien
I think we all learned the value of "Real Deal" vs "Knock-off" in the movie 127 hours. This movie is what did it for me as far as stop buying cheap crap and stick to usable good stuff. I never leave home without my SwissChamp (was actually in the movie) as if I mustered enough courage to cut my arm off I know it has the right tools to do it.
 
chiral.grolim said:
Sooo... you really like the design, but would rather not pay for it or would rather pay a thief who stole the design, built the knife, and sold it to specifically cut into the market of the original designer/maker/seller??? :confused:

Of course the feel is great, it is Buck's "Vanguard", it has been around for ages, an excellent design inspired (if not invented) by Bob Loveless, a design protected by law along with Buck's logo/company name, BOTH of which were ripped-off here. The Vanguard, USA-designed, USA-made, can be purchased for very little more than you payed for this copy, but comes with a lifetime warranty from the originator, and a long history. Instead of buying into that history, you robbed the designer/maker and encouraged piracy, brought a stain upon your character, and ended up with a random bit of sharpened metal that resembles the real thing just so you could feel how great the design really is. I am just... :confused: :barf:

If this were a rip-off of a company that you were angry at for ripping off someone else, I could understand... But what do you have against Buck Knives?
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I don't necessarily think he knew he was buying a "ripoff" when he initially bought it. He probably bought it before he knew a lot about it and then found out. He just so happens to like the one he has.
 
Other than the ethical issues with knockoffs, there is also a performance and possible safety issue with them. I'm sure the blades aren't heat treated to the same standards and the locking mechanism on a knockoff folder is likely suspect. I see Lochsa's on these sites going for about $200 and up, they look just like the real thing, but I wouldn't want one. For one, it's stealing from a knife maker, for another it is likely an inferior product that will fail when you need it most.
 
5Cr15 steel is a dead give away that it's not Buck.

They use mostly 420HC and S30V, don't recall Buck ever using a crap steel like that.
 
northwalesBill said:
I don't necessarily think he knew he was buying a "ripoff" when he initially bought it. He probably bought it before he knew a lot about it and then found out. He just so happens to like the one he has.
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From his posts above, he clearly KNEW it was a rip-off and instead of learning more about the design or Buck Knives handed over the money because it was a cheap version of an excellent design. Then he comes on here to talk all about how wonderful the design is. Well done Buck!!! Except he didn't pay Buck for the genius of the design, for that great experience that he absolutely loves. It is afterall not the knife he loves but the design, which belongs to Buck. And he goes on to say he may buy ANOTHER of these rip-offs because they are so cheap and the design is so great. WTF? :barf:
 
chiral.grolim said:
From his posts above, he clearly KNEW it was a rip-off and instead of learning more about the design or Buck Knives handed over the money because it was a cheap version of an excellent design. Then he comes on here to talk all about how wonderful the design is. Well done Buck!!! Except he didn't pay Buck for the genius of the design, for that great experience that he absolutely loves. It is afterall not the knife he loves but the design, which belongs to Buck. And he goes on to say he may buy ANOTHER of these rip-offs because they are so cheap and the design is so great. WTF? :barf:
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I really hate it when people go on bragging about knock offs they buy.

Buck may be a big company as far as primarily EDC/hunting knives go but they are not so big that knock offs don't hurt their business.

If we want all knife makers to go the way of Gerber and Schrade and basically start producing knock off quality knives then go ahead and buy knock offs.
 
chiral.grolim said:
From his posts above, he clearly KNEW it was a rip-off and instead of learning more about the design or Buck Knives handed over the money because it was a cheap version of an excellent design. Then he comes on here to talk all about how wonderful the design is. Well done Buck!!! Except he didn't pay Buck for the genius of the design, for that great experience that he absolutely loves. It is afterall not the knife he loves but the design, which belongs to Buck. And he goes on to say he may buy ANOTHER of these rip-offs because they are so cheap and the design is so great. WTF? :barf:
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Touche! (however you spell it) I guess I had my trying to be nice hat on.
 
Wait! You mean those Lochsa's for $200 are fake!!!! Actually, Scott Cook watched a Youtube video of one of the fake Lochsa's and left a comment with a technical critique of the Chinese knock-off. Hilarious.
 
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