Auction Site Knife From China That's Likely A Fake But I Love It. What About You Guys

[Sullie]

Double post...

 

[Ogien]

Might want to reread your thread's title here.

Auction Site Knife From China That's Likely A Fake But I Love It. What About You Guys

You stated you "love it". Then asked "What about you guys"?

Obviously most "you guys" don't love it and told you so. And why...

Careful asking a question on a public forum when you just might not want to hear the answer(s)...

Actually the question that is the title of this thread got cut off because you're only allowed so many characters. It was supposed to finishe with "How about you guys, anyone buy a knock-off or Cheapo knife you ended up liking for whatever reason." Don't blame me that titles can only be so long.

Hey man I got nothing against you and don't judge you. I know it's hard to decipher "tone" through text so try and keep in mind I am not trying to attack you. Whether or not you knew that you bought a fake at the time of purchase, you now know what it is. And it is stealing a sale from buck, or at least supporting those who steal from Buck. Some of your older posts seemed to be unclear as to whether you supported counterfeits or not but now you seem to be pretty clear you do not wish to knowingly support them. But that wasn't exactly clear by some statements in earlier posts and I don't want to go and quote examples of confusion(I will probably screw it up). It seemed like at one point you were boasting of your knock off after knowing that it is a knock off which could very well sway someone into buying a knock off and their friends and so forth....so you can probably see why people jump on that. It's stealing. And on a website for knife enthusiasts, it's stealing from their passion. The only response to finding out you bought a knock off should be disappointment. Anything else is gonna get people to defend what they feel is right...you did ask for our opinion. Buy the real deal if you like it so much. Or, as you asked, buy a smaller version fixed blade of Buck's. Have you checked out Bucks 113? It's not a scaled down version of the vanguard but when I was looking at getting a vanguard I looked more at the 113....ended up sticking with my sharp finger. I'm sure other people will have better answers for you.
Any way, emotion aside, there are some good things posted here and consider some of the criticism and take it with an open mind. You bought a fake, ended up liking fixed blades, a particular model and you can go from there...

I am taking it with an open mind and I'm not upset with folks opinions. What upsets me is people posting without reading any of the posts I made in this thread including the OP. That is what I find most irritating because I make it very clear what I was talking about. Point taken though.

Also, I didn't become a fan of fixed blades per se. (not that I ever had anything against them it's just I don't have much use for them) I became a fan of this knife design and was absolutely shocked by this knife that turned out to be a fake, which is something I only found out after I'd already paid for it. Fakes shouldn't be of such high quality, at least when I think of a fake I think of some falling apart pos that was made in Pakistan. I am now interested in buying the original version of this knife and only this knife because I like the design so much. Unless, by some strange circumstance the knife that I assumed was fake is actually real and that is the reason for the quality being what it is. I still don't know for certain.

Edit: Funny thing is that had I not bought this knife online and had I not started this thread I still wouldn't know which model of Buck knife it was supposed to be. Now knowing whihc model it is I was pricing different retailers online so if it wasn't for the fake I never would have had any interest in buying this fixed blade knife since I never really have any use for them. I just happen to like the design so much that I want one.

 

[Ogien]

Not trying to excuse the purchasing of knock-offs being passed off as the real thing but the Chinese likely made a sale for Buck Knives that Buck never would have seen in the first place due to the fact I mentioned above. Once I get the real thing I'll destroy this one most likely but I first want to put them side by side to compare. Maybe I did end up buying the real thing by virtue or some roundabout Chinese seller on an auction site. I still have no clue because of how solid the knife in my posession actually is.

 

[Hiker Boy]

I think everyone has some pretty strong and varying opinions on where to draw the line on knock-off, counterfeits, or designs which just share a similar design. I draw the line at a seller actually trying to deceive someone into thinking their counterfeit is the real deal. An example of this is the CRK Sebenza 21 look-a-likes out of China. I own a Sanrenmu 710 and feel completely fine about it because it's made with different materials, has a slightly different design, and bears the Sanrenmu logo. In other words, they aren't trying to fool anyone. OTOH, I wouldn't touch one of those fake "Sebenza style" knives that are being sold out of China which are not only intended to fool some people, but illegally bare the CRK trademark on them.

 

[Ogien]

I think everyone has some pretty strong and varying opinions on where to draw the line on knock-off, counterfeits, or designs which just share a similar design. I draw the line at a seller actually trying to deceive someone into thinking their counterfeit is the real deal. An example of this is the CRK Sebenza 21 look-a-likes out of China. I own a Sanrenmu 710 and feel completely fine about it because it's made with different materials, has a slightly different design, and bears the Sanrenmu logo. In other words, they aren't trying to fool anyone. OTOH, I wouldn't touch one of those fake "Sebenza style" knives that are being sold out of China which are not only intended to fool some people, but illegally bare the CRK trademark on them.

I think my thinking on the subject falls in line with your own. I should have paid closer attention to where it was being shipped from but the auction was ending in just under 2 minutes and since there weren't any bids I decided to bid on a whim. Thing is that I had to log into my accunt to make the bid which ate up a few seconds so it was coming down to the wire. I made it in time and bid on it and then went into the whole "refreshing the auction" mode to see if anyone else was going to bid against me with only seconds to go. They didn't and I thought I got a hell of a deal and only later I found it might not have been such a great deal. I was very upset but then how upset could I be considering how much I paid and based on quality of cunstruction and materials I'm still not 100% convinced if what I have is a fake Buck Vanguard or a Chinese Knock-off of a Buck Vanguard or a real one. I'm leaning heavily in direction of knock-off but the quality of the finished product keeps putting some doubt in my mind. I guess when I get my hands on an absolutely 100% legit Buck Vanguard and compare the two I'll know for sure, I hope.

 

[Ogien]

Okay, just wanted to update this thread to share that I just paid for a Buck Vanguard Fixed Blade Knife 692BKS 692BK and am expecting it sometime next week so the comparison will take place in a few days. I'm actually excited to compare the two and we'll see. I really don't have much use for a fixed blade knife, not like I can EDC it or anything but I really really really like the way it feels in my hand. I really hope the real thing feels as good in my hand as the knock-off because that would be very disheartening if it turned out to be just the opposite.

I think I got a decent deal as I found one for under $60 and although my financial future is questionable at best I figured this purchase won't make or break me. So in other words, within hours of returning to this board I ended up buying 2 knives. You guys are going to ruin me.

 

[gzb]

Okay, just wanted to update this thread to share that I just paid for a Buck Vanguard Fixed Blade Knife 692BKS 692BK and am expecting it sometime next week so the comparison will take place in a few days. I'm actually excited to compare the two and we'll see. I really don't have much use for a fixed blade knife, not like I can EDC it or anything but I really really really like the way it feels in my hand. I really hope the real thing feels as good in my hand as the knock-off because that would be very disheartening if it turned out to be just the opposite.

I think I got a decent deal as I found one for under $60 and although my financial future is questionable at best I figured this purchase won't make or break me. So in other words, within hours of returning to this board I ended up buying 2 knives. You guys are going to ruin me.

Nice save...:thumbup:

 

[Ogien]

Nice save...:thumbup:

Honestly, prior to this thread I didn't know that it was a knock-off of a Vanguard. Very little knowledge in relation to fixed blade knives.

Edit: Been thinking about this and I think I'm going tobe really pissed if:
1. It turns out that my "Chinese Fake Buck Vanguard" actually turns out to be a real Buck Vanguard.
2. The Chinese "Fake" Buck knife outperforms the (No question about it's authenticity) real Buck knife. Although I thing this is only a remote possibility it would still grind my gears like few things.

If it does turn out that I had an authentic Buck Vanguard for an amazing price I'm going to be looking for a buyer for the second Buck Vanguard with rubberized grip or maybe I'll just keep them both. I do like the knife alot now only if I had a use for them.

 

[Ogien]

I'm still waiting on the Buck Vanguard and I'm kind of having buyers remorse. I'm fairly certain it will subside once it arrives but this thought keep going through my head. "You bought a cheapo knife thinking you were getting a killer deal." "It may or may not be fake, still not 100% certain thought it's probably fake." "I have no use for a fixed blade knife and yet because of this stupid thread, which was supposed to be about no-name and crappy chinese knives we've all bought and really liked for some reason, I spent $60 for a knife that essentially will be a dust collector and may be held and manipulated from time to time just because it feels good in my hand." "Absolutely no use for it, it's sort of a waste of a good knife as I can't carry it EDC fashion so what the hell am I doing buying this knife." It's likely just anxiety or something though that cheapo knock-off, if it is in fact a knock-off, is something I bought a year ago on a whim. Bleh, this post is just me thinking outloud.

Edit: Also, if I'm to be honest, I don't feel like I'm somehow "making things right" because I was duped in the first place. I'm thinking this may have been a mistake, it's a waste of knife and money and I'm not exactly in a great financial situation being furloughed ATM. Bleh.

 

[TMorita]

Honestly, prior to this thread I didn't know that it was a knock-off of a Vanguard. Very little knowledge in relation to fixed blade knives.

Edit: Been thinking about this and I think I'm going tobe really pissed if:
1. It turns out that my "Chinese Fake Buck Vanguard" actually turns out to be a real Buck Vanguard.
2. The Chinese "Fake" Buck knife outperforms the (No question about it's authenticity) real Buck knife. Although I thing this is only a remote possibility it would still grind my gears like few things.

If it does turn out that I had an authentic Buck Vanguard for an amazing price I'm going to be looking for a buyer for the second Buck Vanguard with rubberized grip or maybe I'll just keep them both. I do like the knife alot now only if I had a use for them.

Look at the steel type in the first message - it is 5cr15. Basically the same as 440A steel. In otherwords, it's very stainless, but doesn't have very good wear resistance...it will not hold an edge very long under use.

Real Buck Vanguard steel: 420HC. Go look at the knife "tech specs" on buckknives.com

Chance of your Chinese knife being a real Buck Vanguard: 0%. Blade steels do not match.

Toshi

 

[Ogien]

Look at the steel type in the first message - it is 5cr15. Basically the same as 440A steel. In otherwords, it's very stainless, but doesn't have very good wear resistance...it will not hold an edge very long under use.

Real Buck Vanguard steel: 420HC. Go look at the knife "tech specs" on buckknives.com

Chance of your Chinese knife being a real Buck Vanguard: 0%. Blade steels do not match.

Toshi

Well, to be honest I looked up those specs from a different auction just for this post. Otherwise I't just anticipation I guess, I definitely want the Buck Vanguard I'm just having a hard time justifying it. I'm certain, however, that as soon as I hold it all of these hesitations will go out the window.

I do suspect heavily that what I currently have is a fake but there is that little nagging voice in the back of my mind. Honestly, I am excited about the Vanguard being on it's way I'm just bugged by the fact that it's basically going to be a display piece as I generally like to use my knives. I just need to stop overthinking it and wait till I actually have it at which point it will be love at first sight.

 

[Morrow]

I do suspect heavily that what I currently have is a fake but there is that little nagging voice in the back of my mind. Honestly, I am excited about the Vanguard being on it's way I'm just bugged by the fact that it's basically going to be a display piece as I generally like to use my knives. I just need to stop overthinking it and wait till I actually have it at which point it will be love at first sight.

The knife is counterfeit. There is absolutely no doubt. Educate yourself before buying.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...it-Fake-Bucks-amp-The-Americans-Who-Sell-Them

 

[Cap’n Smudge]

Some Bucks are made in China. People sometimes make mistakes. Chirals posts, along with some others, are unnecessarily antagonistic.

 

[Ogien]

The knife is counterfeit. There is absolutely no doubt. Educate yourself before buying.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...it-Fake-Bucks-amp-The-Americans-Who-Sell-Them

Been trying to do that.

Some Bucks are made in China. People sometimes make mistakes. Chirals posts, along with some others, are unnecessarily antagonistic.

OK, I had no idea bout that. Thank you for letting me know about this. If the one I have turns out to be original then I'll be happy too because I'll have 2 Buck knives and when you take the average price I paid for the 2 it actually works out to be a very good deal still. Plus, like I said, I REALLY like the design even if I have little use for fixed blades.

I'm sure I'll find a way to use them, I really do like them that much.

 

[Ogien]

Some Bucks are made in China. People sometimes make mistakes. Chirals posts, along with some others, are unnecessarily antagonistic.

Did a preliminary search on Google and it does turn out that some Buck knives are made overseas like you said with China being one of the places though a vast majority are made in the United States. The plot thickens.

 

[Cap’n Smudge]

That particular knife is counterfeit. The vanguard is only US made. Some of the posts implied that you should have known it was fake simply because it was from China. If not a Buck fanboy and with no time to research, I don't see the china thing as being a red flag.

 

[Seals]

Did a preliminary search on Google and it does turn out that some Buck knives are made overseas like you said with China being one of the places though a vast majority are made in the United States. The plot thickens.

Are you thinking that ugly piece of crap you bought with a gap at the guard,junk soft steel, and 2 cent value cloth sheath might be made by Buckknives in China?Not a snowballs chance in hell.It's a straight up shameless theft of copyright name and design.

 

[Ogien]

That particular knife is counterfeit. The vanguard is only US made. Some of the posts implied that you should have known it was fake simply because it was from China. If not a Buck fanboy and with no time to research, I don't see the china thing as being a red flag.

Fair enough, I have on Buck knife and it's a Buck 110 and I don't know much beyond that about Buck.

Are you thinking that ugly piece of crap you bought with a gap at the guard,junk soft steel, and 2 cent value cloth sheath might be made by Buckknives in China?Not a snowballs chance in hell.It's a straight up shameless theft of copyright name and design.

If you think that that describes this Chinese knife then you'd be SHOCKED to see it. I might not be an expert on Buck knives but I do know knives in general and this one is quality through and through and doesn't show any of the obvious fake signs you described. Not a single one.

 

[Ogien]

In the end, I'm waiting on delivery of my Buck Vanguard, which I'm no longer stressing over like I was last night so it'll be interesting to compare the 2. Not much more I can say untill after it arrives on Monday (I think) so we'll see qulity vs quality cause a cheap knife like Seals described is DEFINITELY not the knife currently in my possesion. From the build quality to the sheath it's not even remotely as Seals described otherwise I would have been certain from the get go that it was 100% fake.

 

[Tallahassee]

I just found this thread because I'm trying to educate myself about Bucks generally and especially how to recognize a fake in 'respectable' setting like an antique store, gun show etc. Deciding something is fake when it's on eBay " 'new' from China for $10" seems easy, but once it turns up for resale in the US as 'used' it takes real knowledge to identify.

Ogien, the first knife you bought from eBay, the possible 'fake' that you originally posted about, what is the handle made of? Is it hard plastic or is it rubbery like Kraton? I don't own an original Buck Vantage so I don't know.

Can any of you experts on Buck tell me? I'd like to know so I can steer clear.