B13

[AZTimT]

Oh, and if you have to have a choil, these could be easily modded in to the original design too!

Keep the talon hole for a large spread of fingers to reach it.

Or make it practical by replacing the talon hole with a choil.

 

[tinfoil hat timmy]

Whatever psp yer smokin', Tim, keep it up and send some my way sir!

 

[AZTimT]

Whatever psp yer smokin', Tim, keep it up and send some my way sir!

LOL, psp is short for Paint Shop Pro, instead of spending money on the much pricier Photoshop, I use a much cheaper program and spend the rest on a INFI!

The more I look at it, I can see myself easily modding one of my B13's to look like this...

from this

 

[resinguy]

Wow, so much going on here...

.20" thick would make a great machete.

Thin might be in for slicers, but the better choppers are thicker. Bare minimum thickness .25" with saber grind for some weight.

I'm no expert, but AFAIK no machete approaches this thickness. 0.10" max for most machetes. There are parangs and goloks that are thicker at the ricasso, but will often have a distal taper to manage the balance.

Basically an INFI bolo version of the 1311.

Yes, but consider that if the blade is to be wider than the 1311, then the stock should be even thinner to keep the quick handling and low fatigue factor.

I don’t see this as a hybrid. A hybrid is the second-best tool for more than one job, whereas I see this as being the best tool for the job.

Scenario #1, wood chopping. Part of my enthusiasm for the Bolo13 is that I already have a 13.5” bolo, 0.179” thick, tough steel (52100), custom made specifically for wood chopping. It chops hardwood about as well as a half-size axe. I.e. it has less weight but is much sharper. It provides less fatigue so it lets me chop at a faster rate and for longer. In awkward situations (e.g. balancing on a branch, crawling around in thick vegetation) you don’t necessarily want to be using two hands or a very heavy tool. I’m sometimes in a stand of saplings trying to cut out trees and have less room to swing. Something like this excels when you want a one-handed chopper because a two-handed chopper would be the second-best tool for the job.

Scenario #2, weed / brush cutting. Usually when I’m cutting woody weeds (half my property is covered in them), I want to cut them as close to the ground as possible, because that’s where the main stem is and I also want to reduce re-sprouting as much as possible. Close to the ground means I’ll hit rocks occasionally. That’s where a thick stock blade in INFI is going to be better than a traditional machete. Same thing when cutting saplings or weeds growing through wire fences – you sometimes hit the wire (or nails etc.). I want a tool that I can use without having to be too careful with it. When I’m tired, and have to do something a hundred times in a row, I can’t be bothered clearing rocks, etc – I just want to chop it as fast as possible and move on. An INFI bolo would do jobs that would damage most machetes.

Scenario #3, hiking. A 13” blade is small enough to fit in daypacks, and light enough that you don’t mind carrying it for a day or even a few days. I just wouldn’t take an axe hiking, or camping where I have to go in on foot.

In the right situations a bolo13 would be better than an axe and better than a machete. This is just based on my personal circumstances anyway.

I agree with most of this. But we don't need thick stock to prevent edge damage. We need a really good alloy, with a really good HT to optimize toughness. INFI fills the bill, without being fat. Traditonal machetes are engineered to be good enough, with lowered hardness, and cheap. It is expected that a user will carry a file (or use a rock) for field edge touch ups. Really good steel lets the user optimize the edge geometry to improve cutting performance. Geometry cuts.

 

[resinguy]

Tim, I am so disappointed that you did not model a Clip Point version. I have zero graphical skills, or I might have tried. A clip is another way to take some weight out of the end of the blade. which can be very effective in adjusting the feel, quickness, and balance of the knife.


Jerry and Garth, are you prototyping these yet?

 

[tinfoil hat timmy]

I sent GARTH an email 2WEEKS ago, 13ut no response

 

[dingy]

LOL, psp is short for Paint Shop Pro, instead of spending money on the much pricier Photoshop, I use a much cheaper program and spend the rest on a INFI!

The more I look at it, I can see myself easily modding one of my B13's to look like this...

from this

really cool designs , man. :thumbup: i will buy one B 13 like these .

 

[xxwarderxx]

For refresher, the Bolo13 is all about the 13's with simply logical specifications for the masses:

13/64" = ~.20" MAXIMUM thickness coated, satin could be closer to .187" with coating/dimples/decarb gone.

13 13/16" = ~13.8" blade length is a little longer than a 1311 with the recurve to lighten it a tad and increase chopping sweet spot maximization as well as scythe work.

Bolo shape sans choil for maximum brush clearing ability with no snags for function over very good form. A choil can always be added, but not removed and choking up on a near 14" blade might be a clue to pull out your edc already anyhow.

Normal basic res-c handle preferred unless a bigger version is available, would prefer to see his actually made soon instead of an extended "two week" wait.

We are just trying to acquire the most useful lightweight, high performance chopper that can easily double for machete-like tasks without actually being a too thin to hold up to hard use. Simple, practical, tough and awesome! Kinda like this:

This.

x INFInity

 

[xxwarderxx]

LOL, psp is short for Paint Shop Pro, instead of spending money on the much pricier Photoshop, I use a much cheaper program and spend the rest on a INFI!

The more I look at it, I can see myself easily modding one of my B13's to look like this...

from this

The drop point version is sexy as hell. Since I plan on getting multiples, it'd be nice to get one or modify one to that version.

 

[xxwarderxx]

I sent GARTH an email 2WEEKS ago, 13ut no response

I had sent an email to Lexi and Garth. A week ago, Lexi responded that she'd get it in front of Jerry to make sure he was aware of the high demand for these.

 

[tinfoil hat timmy]

Sha~weeeeeeet

 

[Blade Runner 7]

Awesome news!

 

[dingy]

The drop point version is sexy as hell. Since I plan on getting multiples, it'd be nice to get one or modify one to that version.

i perfer one with bowie (clip)point

 

[littlehoot]

I had sent an email to Lexi and Garth. A week ago, Lexi responded that she'd get it in front of Jerry to make sure he was aware of the high demand for these.

when I called in to arrange payment on my ganza scores I mentioned to lexi to have garth check his mail in reference to this thread. so they do know of if at least...

 

[rickshooter]

Oh, and if you have to have a choil, these could be easily modded in to the original design too!

Keep the talon hole for a large spread of fingers to reach it.

Or make it practical by replacing the talon hole with a choil.

I am here with the talon hole ( I think it looks incomplete) with .19 to .22 thickness, Big Finish to keep cost down, and whatever edge it comes (selfishly no convex but people here love convex and will not stop me from getting the knife it is convex). Maybe people need to be replying with a +1 if it is ok with them so a list can be made. If you add variances then the list could not be made. Just my 2cs

 

[tinfoil hat timmy]

So, what's THE. FINAL. DESIGN. DECISION. This needs to happen before anything. I'd personally prefer the b11 style point. That's about all I for sure want. That and a saber grind. No choil also. But. I'm flexible.

B11 point
Saber grind
3/16" thick
No choil.

Feel free to post what you want fellas.... I'm sure we can come to a consensus quickly.

 

[xxwarderxx]

I thought AZTim had already nailed it.

I'm not sure exact details are necessary. If (when) this makes it to production, I would think Jerry will ultimately finalize the design as he sees fit, some of which may be on factors we are not taking into account, some based on his exemplary track record of making badass blades.

Aside from that, the more precise we try to be, the less we'll all agree and this thread will turn into something I think none of us want and become counter productive towards our end game.

Just my 2 cents.

Bring on the 13olo!!

 

[Blade Runner 7]

Checking out until Monday boys. I hope I come back to some awesome news about a 13olo.

 

[AZTimT]

Tim, I am so disappointed that you did not model a Clip Point version. I have zero graphical skills, or I might have tried. A clip is another way to take some weight out of the end of the blade. which can be very effective in adjusting the feel, quickness, and balance of the knife.


Jerry and Garth, are you prototyping these yet?

My bad... how's this?

 

[AZTimT]

I was just showing variants that could come out of getting this one design made as a way to show people how sweet it can be so more people would help join in to get this done. With the original design blank the options open up simply because that is the most practical way to do it from a manufacturing standpoint.
Start with a shape like this:

and all of those other variants become a possibility. Without it or something very similar, none of them are. Let's get this made, then if you want to modify it yourself or have the custom shop do it as some other variant, you are more than welcome to go for it. We need the original design to make it to production first and foremost!

Bring the Bolo13!