Bad deal warning: Matthew Honnert

[robertmegar]

Short story: This guy contacts me regarding my interest in a mini Random Task. He says he has one in mint condition w/ box and offers it for sale at $ X amount shipped. I agree, send the funds right away and few days later get the knife...


Knife comes with a chipped blade (see picture) and I am not happy since knife was stated as "minty". I contact the seller for a partial refund and his reply was that I already saved lots of money for having the chipped blade and that the deal was fair.

He agreed for a refund but wants me to pay the shipping back. I don't feel like paying for the shipping when the item was misrepresented. SO BUYER BEWARE.

 

[GigOne]

I highly doubt that Kershaw let that knife out of their factory like that.

While there isn't an absolute / concrete definition for "minty," that isn't "minty." IMHO It definitely sounds like he knew that the blade was chipped before shipping it to you. With that said, he should refund the total amount and pay for the return shipping.

I take it that you didn't get Matthew Honnert's user name ?

Post his personal info (e-mail addy and shipping info ~ if you have it).

 

[.45acp]

I highly doubt that Kershaw let that knife out of their factory like that.

While there isn't an absolute / concrete definition for "minty," that isn't "minty." IMHO It definitely sounds like he knew that the blade was chipped before shipping it to you. With that said, he should refund the total amount and pay for the return shipping.

I take it that you didn't get Matthew Honnert's user name ?

Post his personal info (e-mail addy and shipping info ~ if you have it).

I was thinking the same.

Was this a Blade Forums member? Was the Trade/Sale thru BF contact?


Steve

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

That is definately not "mint" by any reasonable standards. Info.

And sorry about this.

 

[exmaxima]

That is definately not "mint" by any reasonable standards. Info.

And sorry about this.

It is certainly "minty" by most any sane standards. There wasn't a scratch or mark on the whole knife, and it was advised in advance that the knife was used a few times to open some packages. It was never claimed to be BRAND NEW.

So this guy magnifies the edge by about 20 times and you can see a TINY chip in the edge. A chip that can easily be taken out by actually sharpening the blade. The buyer demands 20% off for this tiny flaw.

I told him to return the knife by mail, about $1.50, and he will receive his FULL ORIGINAL PAYMENT (including Fed Ex shipping). An exceptionally fair response in anyone's view. Buyer whines that he will not pay the postage cost. Story ends.

I own lots of knives and I use most of them. I thought this forum would have a following of passionate knife enthusiasts, and not a bunch of yuppies crying over a microscopic nick in a blade edge. Based on this BS, you have proven otherwise.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves...

Matthew Honnert

 

[C. STORR]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaang. Delayed reaction, by almost two months. Either way, if there's a nick or chip of any kind it should be noted upfront. Used doesn't mean chipped.

Edited to add: A refund of the orginal cost plus shipping to me would be acceptable, so good on you Matthew...and I would pay the $1.50 in order to get my money back, but in a fair world I would expect the seller to also cover the buck fitty.

 

[GregB]

So basically what we are talking about here is $1.50? $1.50? Seriously guys...

GregB

 

[darklight943]

It is certainly "minty" by most any sane standards. There wasn't a scratch or mark on the whole knife, and it was advised in advance that the knife was used a few times to open some packages. It was never claimed to be BRAND NEW.

So this guy magnifies the edge by about 20 times and you can see a TINY chip in the edge. A chip that can easily be taken out by actually sharpening the blade. The buyer demands 20% off for this tiny flaw.

I told him to return the knife by mail, about $1.50, and he will receive his FULL ORIGINAL PAYMENT (including Fed Ex shipping). An exceptionally fair response in anyone's view. Buyer whines that he will not pay the postage cost. Story ends.

I own lots of knives and I use most of them. I thought this forum would have a following of passionate knife enthusiasts, and not a bunch of yuppies crying over a microscopic nick in a blade edge. Based on this BS, you have proven otherwise.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves...

Matthew Honnert

Not "minty". Should have posted a detailed description - everyone on this forum should know how "picky" collectors can be about their blades.

 

[exmaxima]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaang. Delayed reaction, by almost two months. Either way, if there's a nick or chip of any kind it should be noted upfront. Used doesn't mean chipped.

Edited to add: A refund of the orginal cost plus shipping to me would be acceptable, so good on you Matthew...and I would pay the $1.50 in order to get my money back, but in a fair world I would expect the seller to also cover the buck fitty.

A co-worker had found the post and showed it to me. I had no idea the buyer was such a ....

Anyway, regarding the "perfect world". I had NOT noticed the tiny chips, nor was I trying to pull anything over on the buyer. I knew the knife was not BRAND NEW, so my price was about 1/2 what online dealers were charging for NIB. So when this guy demands another 20% off, I figure I will keep the knife. In retrospect, I should have sent him return postage, but honestly, I felt the guy would keep the postage payment and never send the knife back---I had no feeling of trust (or sanity) in this transaction.

You can check my 100% eBay feedback under "spkrdoctr". I am not the person that tries to hold someone up after the fact for an additional 20% discount.

Matthew

 

[GigOne]

It is certainly "minty" by most any sane standards.

Depends on what "stardards" one uses. Of course, you'll defend your "minty" standard.

"Mint" is quite often defined as, "absolutely as new, an item that has no flaws, and unused (or appears to be unused)."

While my sanity is often a question, the sources of the three definitions are. . . . .well. . . .very sane.

There wasn't a scratch or mark on the whole knife, and it was advised in advance that the knife was used a few times to open some packages. It was never claimed to be BRAND NEW.

Could it be possible that this is where the problem arises ? Hmmmmm. . . .

You claim that there isn't a mark or scratch on the whole knife, but it arrives in a slightly altered appearance than expected. While it's fine to notify the person that the knife had opened a "few packages," I wouldn't expect the knife have several nicks on the spine of the blade.

I own several Random Tasks and even have a mini. Very stout knives - including the spine !

It takes quite a bit to nick the spine of a blade. . . .unless you tagged something as hard or harder than the blade.

I own lots of knives and I use most of them. I thought this forum would have a following of passionate knife enthusiasts, and not a bunch of yuppies crying over a microscopic nick in a blade edge. Based on this BS, you have proven otherwise.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves...

Nothing like whispering sweet nothings. . . . :jerkit:

I'm glad that you offered to refund the buyer, but coming here and tossing your BS insults is completely uncalled for !

I would venture to say that robertmegar experienced your tactless approach after he received the knife.

Based on your piss poor attitude and your ability to communicate, I wouldn't do business with you.

 

[exmaxima]

"Mint" is quite often defined as, "absolutely as new, an item that has no flaws, and unused (or appears to be unused)."
You claim that there isn't a mark or scratch on the whole knife, but it arrives in a slightly altered appearance than expected. While it's fine to notify the person that the knife had opened a "few packages," I wouldn't expect the knife have several nicks on the spine of the blade.

I own several Random Tasks and even have a mini. Very stout knives - including the spine !

It takes quite a bit to nick the spine of a blade. . . .unless you tagged something as hard or harder than the blade.
I'm glad that you offered to refund the buyer, but coming here and tossing your BS insults is completely uncalled for !

Based on your piss poor attitude and your ability to communicate, I wouldn't do business with you.

Mint is obviously one notch down from NEW. It is often used to describe a rarely used item in outstanding condition. For example, vintage audio equipment is often rated as MINT, and it may still need new tubes or possibly a calibration/alignment. "Minty", as I called the knife, meant it had some use, which is why I sold it for 1/2 the cost of a NIB one. I had described the knife as best I could, along with pics, before the sale. The buyer knew he was getting a used knife, but had hoped for a NEW one, and tried to weasel more discount after the fact. At no point did I ever accuse the buyer of making the nicks in the knife, which he very well could have, as I never saw the nicks before I shipped it. But, as my perfect eBay feedback attests to, I tried to make everything right in the fairest manner. If a full refund is not good enough, then the buyer is a dreamer in this world.

I guess I don't much about knives, as I always thought the SPINE was the back side of a blade. The backside of that knife was absolutely flawless. The cutting edge had some nicks (I would have thought that the owner of those knives would know what a Wharcliff blade looked like). BTW, Kershaw Task knives are far from "stout". They are much more a gentlemen's folder for opening letters and such. STOUT might be a Spyderco Worker, or Reeves Sebenza.

You, sir, are the one with the piss poor attitude. You come down as mightier than thou, and cast a black shadow on this forum. Let's be clear, I would never do business with you either!

Matthew

 

[kel_aa]

To honor this occasion, I would like to offer for purchase by any lucky forum member a "minty" Jaguar POS with partial forward serrations:

 

[C. STORR]

To honor this occasion, I would like to offer for purchase by any lucky forum member a "minty" Jaguar POS with partial forward serrations:

sweeeeet blade. that's only one step down from "new"...I'll take it, but I want 20% off of your asking price....

 

[Pahtoocara]

All GB&U accusations aside.....I'm not taking sides.

Lets be realistic here.........
While the knife may not be "minty" is it a user or did you buy it as a collectors item? I'm assuming not a collector's item if you knew the knife was used.

I don't however feel the knife is a loss (at all). From the photo, those nicks looks easily sharpened out.

You never mentioned the price. But, you could have a good deal on your hands, if only for a few edge nicks, the rest of the knife is "minty" (whatever that means).

Just my 2 cents.

PS kel_aa...nice knife brother , I would buy it if it had fullers...j/k.

 

[Deadhead Archer]

Just to clear the air in the room:

As per Dictionary.com

Mint.

Adj. Undamaged as if freshly minted: The painting was in mint condition.

As per Thesaurus.com

Main Entry: mint
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: brand-new
Synonyms: excellent, first-class, fresh, intact, original, perfect, spanking-new*, spick-and-span*, unblemished, undamaged, unmarred, untarnished

Is this the same mint we are all talking about? Or the "other" mint?

 

[Swizzle]

Mint is obviously one notch down from NEW.

i'm not looking to start a fight here, but mint or minty is an adjective that means "as if new" or "undamaged as if freshly minted." source

or in other words, even though it isn't brand spanking new, it looks like it is. this is definitely the definition that is used around here.

 

[kel_aa]

Cstorr2004, you got it!

let's see how much it'll cost you: 1/2 of NIB price minus 20%.... equals twice the integrity of Exmaxima's handling of the matter.

 

[exmaxima]

Cstorr2004, you got it!

let's see how much it'll cost you: 1/2 of NIB price minus 20%.... equals twice the integrity of Exmaxima's handling of the matter.

Please advise this forum how YOU would have handled the matter. Please remember that you just sold an article as used and at 1/2 the going price of a "mint" one as you would have described it.

 

[BlackNinja]

Does not knowing the meaning of the word "minty" qualify you for the PT list?

 

[exmaxima]

Does not knowing the meaning of the word "minty" qualify you for the PT list?

It depends on who you ask, I suppose. George W would likely say "minty" means it smells good.