BAD- [strike]MeatyBacchus478[/strike] frankp

[rio]

FrankP did you spent Meats money in another grail?? Is that why you are so pissed off about the "oil"???and your defensive rant, it sounds to me that way, we are all nut jobs here about knives, we get so crazy about the grail sometimes we forget to pay rent lol, It seems to me you just got mad because you assume this was a done deal and the money was yours for your next project, it happens and it can be forgiven by your fellow knifenuts, we would understand honesty , but making all those accusations, changing the story, selling a NOT new knife it makes you look full of it and childish , please be a man , get quiet inside and do what is right! I'm sure you are a decent guy who just got caught up in this situation, it can happen to anybody, there is no saints with sharpie things on their hands .

 

[jbass]

I have read all the posts as of 4:21 p.m. Pacicic time but some new ones might sneak in before I finish writing this. I think that most will agree that Frank was not as accurate as he could have been in listing the knife as new. (i am giving him the benefit of the doubt here that he was exaggering when he said that every knife is new to the buyer. That is obviously not correct.) And Frank may have not been as diligent as he could have been in inspecting the knife before listing it.

And I think that most will agree that Meat should not have used the Paypal gift option because it limits his options in contesting the sale. And, that Meat may have been a bit over zealous in his attempt to prevent rust.

And I think that the "tag, your it" approach in sending the knife back and forth is not going to solve the situation.

It seems to me that Frank or Meat need to get the knife to the maker for inspection and possible repair. Then there will be answers to the detent question and the oil question, and Meat and Frank can then decide how they want to proceed. Neither side is blameless in this situation but right now everyone is running around with their hair on fire without an exact idea of what, if anything, is wrong with the knife.

Just my opinion.

 

[frankp]

Frank, you are killing your rep on here and USN. Seriously. Make this right. Refund the guy's money. No one is ever going to have anything to do with you ever again after this if you keep on this course. You're acting like a real jerk. Just make it right and move on.

I have extended an offer to make it right with Meat. He is not responding. Maybe he is satisfied with the current offer. If he prefers to just be left alone I want to respect that also as I mentioned earlier.

 

[frankp]

I have read all the posts as of 4:21 p.m. Pacicic time but some new ones might sneak in before I finish writing this. I think that most will agree that Frank was not as accurate as he could have been in listing the knife as new. (i am giving him the benefit of the doubt here that he was exaggering when he said that every knife is new to the buyer. That is obviously not correct." ) And Frank may have not been as diligent as he could have been in inspecting the knife before listing it.

And I think that most will agree that Meat should not have used the Paypal gift option because it limits his options in contesting the sale. And, that Meat may have been a bit over zealous in his attempt to prevent rust.

And I think that the "tag, your it" approach in sending the knife back and forth is not going to solve the situation.

It seems to me that Frank or Meat need to get the knife to the maker for inspection and possible repair. Then there will be answers to the detent question and the oil question, and Meat and Frank can then decide how they want to proceed. Neither side is blameless in this situation but right now everyone is running around with their hair on fire without an exact idea of what, if anythin, is wrong with the knife.

Just my opinion.

100% completely accurate!

 

[wolfmann601]

Well, gentlemen, I see I am being forced to accept this knife back.

I did buy a couple kwaibacks right after your A8. I was going to sell the A8, as I was listing it on the USN - However, I immediately noticed the issue and knew I couldn't sell it with that issue. Again, you are implying I am in some way using you and that I'm being dishonest.

You're way off base, and have been this entire time. No, I'm not responding to your emails / PMs - you're only doing this, as you know you're wrong and want to save face. Right at the beginning of all of this I informed you of my cell phone and that I was an honest, full time LE ofc. You laughed this off saying you bond out many cops / lawyers / doctors etc. Really went to my core, but I've tried to keep my cool this entire exchange.

I guess I hope you get banned from here from the total lack of professionalism you have displayed. I will not be accepting any money from you for refunds etc from Jake, implying I returned this to you with a new issue, it's just not true. I have no idea if you knew of the issue, no idea if you knew of the sharpie, but all the while, never pointed a finger at you. Never called you any names. While you sent me numerous emails saying you can't send this back to Jake, as I, "fucked with it." When all I did was oil a knife, just like Jake does when he sprays them down before sending them out to prevent rust.

Totally unprofessional, rude, and arrogant.

Well that about says it all......

 

[lawfor]

frankp

You seem like you are only here for yourself and to put money in your pocket and screw the community. I don't post much here anymore, but I've been here a very long time and I've seen quite a few others come with this kind of attitude, and none of them are still here.

I haven't bought or sold anything on bladeforums since about 2008 but if I did, I certainly would not deal with you.

I have no public opinion on this matter and I am a pretty new member. That said, all I can tell you is that Frank is one of the first people I "met" on this forum. He went out of his way to offer me advice, he tried to help me find certain pieces I was after, and in general did a ton of stuff out of pure good will (I never bought a thing directly from him). This incident aside, I would say he is one heck of a positive "ambassador" for this forum. I understand that may be neither here nor there as far as this situation goes, but felt compelled to share.

 

[RetiredGuns]

Wow, what could have been resolved very easily has turned into a ridiculous episode. Perhaps errors on both sides, but easily resolved without 10 pages of repetitive phrases. Not sure if I can ever handle seeing the word oil again.
At best this thread gives me another name to add to the "Nope" list.

 

[timw1]

I have extended an offer to make it right with Meat. He is not responding. Maybe he is satisfied with the current offer. If he prefers to just be left alone I want to respect that also as I mentioned earlier.

I believe what he wants is a refund, now do the right thing and give it!

 

[Marko3]

FrankP...You came to the GBU to out a guy who you feel that wronged you. You stated that you have been told by "others" that oil can damage the knife. As a knife maker and collector I oil all my blades before I send them out. So this is a ridiculous statement. I think you now know that.

The forum AND the mods have spoken. We feel you should refund the money. We as group think that you not only wronged this man but you embarrassed yourself and ruined your reputation here and on the USN and probably others. You displayed very poor form. I honestly can't believe I read through this whole thread. Painful .

As a community of like minded knife nuts we expect honest dealings. And even in some cases for the sake of the whole community even if you feel you are right you just have to listen to the general consensus and go with what we as a group suggest. You will look back at this thread and wonder why you just didn't make him whole.

Good luck

 

[Karda]

I have no public opinion on this matter and I am a pretty new member. That said, all I can tell you is that Frank is one of the first people I "met" on this forum. He went out of his way to offer me advice, he tried to help me find certain pieces I was after, and in general did a ton of stuff out of pure good will (I never bought a thing directly from him). This incident aside, I would say he is one heck of a positive "ambassador" for this forum. I understand that may be neither here nor there as far as this situation goes, but felt compelled to share.

People said much the same about Liu Kang at first......Naïve though they were.
Turned out he took a seriously injured veteran to the cleaners for profit.....and happily did so.

 

[Ken44]

I have extended an offer to make it right with Meat. He is not responding. Maybe he is satisfied with the current offer. If he prefers to just be left alone I want to respect that also as I mentioned earlier.

Please.
Making it right would have been giving him his money back.

Mods here suggested you refund but you sent the knife back to him anyway.

After consulting with my fellow moderators, we are all on the same page.

Frankp should issue a REFUND.....period.

It is your reputation at stake here now Frank. You need to do the right thing and refund the money as you promised in the first place, no more accusations, no more games. The knife is your problem to repair.

Frank you need to find some middle ground, and that means reasonable. Shipping an item back and forth like this is a sure fire way to waste more money and more time. I'd suggest you refund the buyer his money, less some shipping costs and that will be that (so long as the buyer agrees). Inaccurately listing a knife as new when it's passed through a couple owners hands, not verifying the condition, and then selling and blaming someone for your lack of action is not a good idea, and not tolerated here. It's the sellers responsibility to list the item properly to begin with, full disclosure. Buying and then turning around and flipping a knife isn't a smart idea either. This isn't eBay, it's a community that runs on honesty and integrity. I hope you realize the amount of damage you are doing to your own rep here Frank. In your fervor to state your case, you ended up shooting yourself in the foot by leaving out important mistakes YOU made.

If you cannot decide on some resolution other than forcing an item on someone that was for fully described, I'll make the decision.

 

[lawfor]

People said much the same about Liu Kang at first......Naïve though they were.
Turned out he took a seriously injured veteran to the cleaners for profit.....and happily did so.

Don't know who that is nor what happened. Just sharing my own experience with Frank - someone who went out of his to be helpful to me. Has nothing to do with this transaction.

 

[Rhesus Feces]

Looks like frankp from Bladeforums is the new Liu Kang.

I suppose that's an accomplishment...of sorts.

 

[Bowman1911]

Wow! My eyeballs hurt! 10 pages of "oil" & "nope I'm right!" I never should've clicked this thread... Meat, good luck bro!

edited to add. Can we add this to the hall of shame?

 

[Karda]

Don't know who that is nor what happened. Just sharing my own experience with Frank - someone who went out of his to be helpful to me. Has nothing to do with this transaction.

Much the same as our friend here, Kang didn't have much to do with the rest of the forum outside the exchange except to ingratiate and predate.
Most of the exchange rules you now see are a result of his actions:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...n-is-enough-well-enough?p=9953927#post9953927
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...when-is-enough-well-enough?highlight=liu+kang

 

[concreteadaptation]

i think comparing a person who disagrees with a buyer over a single purchase (even with attitude) to a person who took advantage of people on here for years with impunity until he basically fleeced a down and out war vet and blade forums finally had to pay attention and ban him a gross exaggeration. Really, no middle ground for people to make mistakes now? liu hang had to have more than a few threads started and stopped about him before banning so lets not get too hasty.

 

[Karda]

i think comparing a person who disagrees with a buyer over a single purchase (even with attitude) to a person who took advantage of people on here for years with impunity until he basically fleeced a down and out war vet and blade forums finally had to pay attention and ban him a gross exaggeration. Really, no middle ground for people to make mistakes now? liu hang had to have more than a few threads started and stopped about him before banning so lets not get too hasty.

I disagree, and it's my job to see that Liu Kang or those who act like him do not avail themselves of this forum.

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[lawfor]

Much the same as our friend here, Kang didn't have much to do with the rest of the forum outside the exchange except to ingratiate and predate.
Most of the exchange rules you now see are a result of his actions:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...n-is-enough-well-enough?p=9953927#post9953927
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...when-is-enough-well-enough?highlight=liu+kang

Thanks. I guess it was before I joined. I do think that it's important to police these things. Thankfully the few deals I've had have a been smooth. I'd like to keep it that way.

 

[concreteadaptation]

okay , i hear ya karda. Stil i gotta say i wouldn't use the liu hang situation as an example of how the moderators do their jobs. That dude broke forums rules on a regular basis for ever and NOTHING ever got done. It took forever for blade forums to finally kick him out, not a very good look if that was on a job application or as an example of a perfect working system. as far as i know frank made some bold statements w emotion ,overlooked sharpie and disagreed that the buyer observed all the rules himself where is the broken rule that constitutes such ban wagoning and drastic comparison from a mod. i understand you want to avoid having another liu kang fiasco on your hands but i don't think we should over compensate and jump on people who have had a great rep up until one bad situation.

 

[jdm666]

People said much the same about Liu Kang at first......Naïve though they were.
Turned out he took a seriously injured veteran to the cleaners for profit.....and happily did so.

I have to say Karda - comparison to lui Kang in this instance is a little absurd. This is an isolate dispute between two well respect participants - not a pattern deceit or abuse of the forum over a number of years. While none of us want to see the type of behavior that lui Kang exhibited again - IMHO to continue to paint frankp with the same brush is irresponsible and has only ensured the other members will not weigh the situation on its own merits but on the actions of an individual whose is not even involved.

And I will say many MANY members here will have a similar participation profile to frankp - me included - it does not make me or the rest of us Liu Kang equals.

JD