I'm sure both of these gentlemen are good guys, most people are. The manifestation of (ego) being right, happens to all of us at some point in our lives. If I was standing in your physical shoes, I would back down, pause, think about this for a bit and I'm sure the right action will come to light.
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I'm sure both of these gentlemen are good guys, most people are. The manifestation of (ego) being right, happens to all of us at some point in our lives. If I was standing in your physical shoes, I would back down, pause, think about this for a bit and I'm sure the right action will come to light.
Don't be insulting, haven't you realized that you need to stop digging? In this case, the only "truth" you seem to be interested in is the one that fits just right with what you are claiming it to be. Why not ask the buyer if he indeed wants to be refunded?
Frank, how can you say you never mis represented yourself? The knife was NOT brand new! You keep swearing the knife was "perfect". Do you really think you inspected it in depth enough to know this? You already said you deployed the knife ONCE, and only had possession for 30 minutes! I would never touch a sale of yours, you have proven yourself to be dishonest and irrational. You are not a knife enthusiast, you are a knife flipper, and hopefully this community is done with you for good. Meat, you need to accept the shipped knife, and open it in front of the post man. Then you need to deal with PayPal regarding a refund, and once you get the refund process started, you need to return the knife via insured/registered mail. Don't forget to take photos and record the process of packing the knife and shipping it. To the mods and other bf members, I apologize if I offended you with any of my posts, I am admittedly angry from reading this thread.
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Hi i posted commentary over on the USN thread, where I first saw this. Initially I posted a longer version of what I'm posting below. The part that's missing is where I suggested a compromise where the seller deducted the fees of shipping it back to Hoback for cleaning if he's really so sure the oil is an issue. They made me remove the post because you can't comment on these kinds of threads over there. (lame). After reading this thread though, here on BF, I've changed my mind and am posting just the first 2 paragraphs.
To FrankP:
"Personally, I'm not seeing an issue here than can't be remedied with a towel. An oiled knife doesn't have any need for cleaning. Oil does not a "dirty" knife, make. Dirt makes a dirty knife. Oil doesn't void the manufacturer's warranty, and he would still refund a customer's money if they oiled it before sending it back to him. He would probably be grateful for the extra care they took to make sure it would still have full value to him for reselling. I could understand if this was a scratch or a rub or some other kind of permanent damage, but it just isn't the same, no matter what the seller's friends say. Towel. (for you fans of Scrooged, "TOWEL...TOWEL...vhs...TOWEL...MOST OF THESE ARE TOWEL.")
Now, having said that, I also see the valid (though weak) argument that the knife "isn't exactly the same" as when it was shipped it. Y'know what? None of the them ever is. At the very least, it has the initial recipient's dead skin cells and finger oils rubbed into the pores of all the surfaces. It wasn't clean when the seller shipped it, either. It had his dead skins cells and finger oil as well. No amount of cleaning a knife before sending it would fix that. DNA everywhere. So maybe we should redefine "clean" and "exactly the same" as when it was shipped...could we be being just a tad bit knit-picky? Aren't we all friends here? Wait for it............Can't we all get along?"
And seriously. "It darkened the finish?" ITS OIL. It just refracts the light differently than the un-oiled surface. When it dries up, it will look lighter again. WHO CARES. I oil all of my knife blades (doesn't EVERYONE?). If you didn't know, it prevents rust and lubricates the action. Works the same in guns and cars too. Sometimes it drips. Guess what. I USE A TOWEL. Sometimes it gets on the tang. Guess what. USE A Q-TIP. And if you must, use compressed air.
And then please pull up your big boy pants, and give this man his money back. If not....
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To FrankP:
"Personally, I'm not seeing an issue here than can't be remedied with a towel. An oiled knife doesn't have any need for cleaning. Oil does not a "dirty" knife, make. Dirt makes a dirty knife. Oil doesn't void the manufacturer's warranty, and he would still refund a customer's money if they oiled it before sending it back to him. He would probably be grateful for the extra care they took to make sure it would still have full value to him for reselling. I could understand if this was a scratch or a rub or some other kind of permanent damage, but it just isn't the same, no matter what the seller's friends say. Towel. (for you fans of Scrooged, "TOWEL...TOWEL...vhs...TOWEL...MOST OF THESE ARE TOWEL.")
Now, having said that, I also see the valid (though weak) argument that the knife "isn't exactly the same" as when it was shipped it. Y'know what? None of the them ever is. At the very least, it has the initial recipient's dead skin cells and finger oils rubbed into the pores of all the surfaces. It wasn't clean when the seller shipped it, either. It had his dead skins cells and finger oil as well. No amount of cleaning a knife before sending it would fix that. DNA everywhere. So maybe we should redefine "clean" and "exactly the same" as when it was shipped...could we be being just a tad bit knit-picky? Aren't we all friends here? Wait for it............Can't we all get along?"
And seriously. "It darkened the finish?" ITS OIL. It just refracts the light differently than the un-oiled surface. When it dries up, it will look lighter again. WHO CARES. I oil all of my knife blades (doesn't EVERYONE?). If you didn't know, it prevents rust and lubricates the action. Works the same in guns and cars too. Sometimes it drips. Guess what. I USE A TOWEL. Sometimes it gets on the tang. Guess what. USE A Q-TIP. And if you must, use compressed air.
And then please pull up your big boy pants, and give this man his money back. If not....
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My reputation is solid. Nope I just LOVE KNIVES!! I am just always looking for a little better, different one! I bet the hundreds of people I bought from loved how quickly I paid. I bet the people I sold to loved their knives because they received their shipping notification immediately! I always do my best to describe accurately.
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Despite the several members that won't deal with you based on your reactions here alone? Delusional to a depressing degree.
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I would not have wasted your time if I didn't see an issue with the lockup when closed. Why would I? I would just sell it. The price I paid you is a fair price for the knife, without issues, I would have had it sold that day. Did I want to sell it to fund another Kwaiback? Yes, we've already covered that.
When closed I immediately noticed that if I lightly pressed on the flipper to "load it" the blade would slightly come out and protrude from the handle, none of my other Hobacks do this. None. I assumed it was a detent issue.
And only now, at the end of all this do you say the knife is 'without issue.' At the beginning, you blamed not returning the funds due to the oil, and that the oil, might be to blame, but now it has no flaws? You thought the HRD may have been messed with after close inspection. And then you blamed the sharpie on me as well, only later backtracking saying you didn't notice that and maybe it was there.
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...what RiverRat said.
I think that's where the difference starts -- a knife listed as new can only be new iff it was purchased from a dealer or the maker. Otherwise it is LNIB, or lightly used, or whatever you'd want to call it, but not new. It looks new is not sufficient evidence of it being new (a brand new car owned for two days does look new, but is it new?). I doubt if anyone else on this forum will have a radically different definition of new. Your other idea of "oil ruining a knife" seems a cover-up to hide the facts. In my books, mis-representation of a knife's condition is sufficient grounds for a full no-questions asked refund, irrespective of the fact of what the buyer did with it. Considering the condition the knife was returned back to you, I don't see why you should make a drama out of it. Anyways, this is my opinion, and bladeforums runs by what the moderators and owners decide.
I've said many times in the past that these GBU threads can devolve into the personal.....I'll keep it focused on this thread in particular. Frank screwed the pooch and won't accept responsibility for his actions......that is enough to ban him....just on the merits alone.
Wow !
Now you're going to start knocking others because their membership is lower than yours ???
You're showing your true colors with every post you make.
You know you're in the wrong, but also know that he can't do a thing about it since he paid with the "Gift" option.
You also know you will be banned, and you could care less about that either. You only use this place to sell and I'm sure you have other places to do that.
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frankp = emotionally unstable, could care less about facts and evidence if they don't line up with what he wants
Gimme gimme gimme, NOW!
MeatyBacchus478 = hilarious handle ... dude shouldn't have tried to "fix" the knife, he should have simply contacted the seller and told him the knife wasn't as described
However, considering frankp is clearly a drama queen, that might not have worked. Moral of the story, try your hardest to work with rational knife lovers who are here because they enjoy knives, not commerce/money minded traders who live in the for-sale/trade forums.
Gimme gimme gimme, NOW!
MeatyBacchus478 = hilarious handle ... dude shouldn't have tried to "fix" the knife, he should have simply contacted the seller and told him the knife wasn't as described
However, considering frankp is clearly a drama queen, that might not have worked. Moral of the story, try your hardest to work with rational knife lovers who are here because they enjoy knives, not commerce/money minded traders who live in the for-sale/trade forums.
Hey bro only going to answer you here as I want to respect REVDEVIL. You are not responding to email. To clarify the LOCKUP is when the knife is open not closed. So the lockup was 100% Solid!! I always check that. The condition you described I never noticed bro I swear. It does sound like blade slop or detent slop. I believe this is quite common in many knives. I have many that exhibited this in the past. I currently just received a Burchtree with it. I don't think it is a fault but can be found in some knives. Again, I never noticed that with the Hoback in question.
When we chatted through email and you mentioned it and I did say you could try to adjust the HRD. Jake obviously installed an adjustable detent so a person could adjust it. You were nervous to adjust it and I get that.
I think you are more than likely a good dude. Our conversations have been good. I wish you could understand my predicament. Again, I would love to pay for the repairs if needed bro.
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OMG.
MODS: Can we please put a stop to this? This is the worst kind of forum behavior, short of out-right expletives and insults.
BAN please, stat.
MODS: Can we please put a stop to this? This is the worst kind of forum behavior, short of out-right expletives and insults.
BAN please, stat.
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Never tried to fix the knife, just oiled it.
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If you would have responded like this in the beginning, I guarantee all of this would have gone differently.
I realize this is like a bad accident on the freeway and people can't stop rubber necking, but we need some resolution here before anything else goes on. Hang in there.
So, will you accept the knife and Franks offer to pay for the necessary repairs? I've got a question for you, if you would click on my forum name and select email, that would work.
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