Bad trade from Yager

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I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but rather than make accusations or call names, I intend to state the facts for anyone who may be considering dealing with Dan.

Dan (Yager) and I agreed to trade my mint Mud Razor for his mint Mole Jack on Tuesday. I thought this was interesting since he had a Mud Razor for sale on the exchange at the time. I shipped the MR Wednesday, insured and sig. receipt req’d.

When I hadn’t heard anything (or received anything) by the following Monday I emailed Dan and he replied that he had received the MR on Friday and had shipped the Mole on Friday as well.

There followed a bit of confusion since UPS delivered the Mole to the wrong house and the people there were on vacation. When I finally got the knife, I was pretty disappointed- it has a wire edge (burr) for 1/3-1/2 the length of the edge and is missing a spot of coating on one of the points of the butt.

I thought about this for a few days as to whether I had a legitimate gripe or not, since it probably came from the factory that way. I decided that since the knife I sent him had been flawless, and there was no way that I would have listed the Mole in that condition as “mint” without mentioning the flaws, that I would ask Dan to reverse the trade.

I emailed him advising him that I was not happy with the condition of the knife and offering to pay for shipping to reverse the trade. He said he was sorry but that he had already traded the knife. Period.

He sent me an email the following day asking if I wanted to sell the Mole Jack. I thought that he was offering to make this right and said that I would be very interested in selling him the knife for an amount that would let me replace my Mud Razor. (These knives sold for the same price new and Dan had one of each for sale on the exchange at the same price) I also asked him what he had got for my Mud Razor and offered to consider other knives in trade.

He replied that $250 was the most he would go! (He was selling the MR and MJ for $330 each on the exchange) He ignored the question about what he got for my knife, and offered nothing else in trade.

Please note that he never asked why I wasn’t happy with the condition of the knife- this tells me that either he knew why, didn’t care, or both. I see offering me $250 for the knife not as an attempt to make things right, but an attempt to take further advantage of me.

I could deal with the slow shipping and poor communication, but as far as I’m concerned, the knife was misrepresented and absolutely no thought was given to fairness or creating a satisfied customer- so much for "the deal's not done 'til everyone is happy"- Buyer Beware!
 
I always hate to hear about a bad experience on here. In Yager's defense though, I have previously purchased a mint Ontario Rat 3 from him and it was mint as described and the transaction was flawless.

I sincerely hope that both of you can come to an agreement.
 
I'm sorry you had a bad trade.I would like to hear Yagers side of the story as well.I'm not sure how much time elapsed from UPS delivery time and waitng a few day's to decide if you were satisfied.You mentioned it getting delivered to the wrong house.Just an observation,but alot of times people do deals,and you never hear from that person ever again.They don't e-mail you saying they got the item and everything is good to go,so sometimes you have to assume,I have heard nothing,everything must be fine.It sounds to me from your story,that several day's or more went by,before you even made a complaint after the delivery.Yager may have assumed everything was kosher and traded it off several days after yours arrived.The question is how soon did he trade it off? because that makes a difference imo.I also think that it is best to make contact a.s.a.p. if there may be a problem,instead of waiting several day's.
Now, My opinion also is, an item should be described accurately,and if there are factory defects or otherwise,they should be mentioned.I wouldn't expect a mint knife to have coating missing. I wish you both luck in working out a resolution.
 
In my opinion, before you sell/trade a knife you just received from someone else, you should contact them (assuming, of course, they have not touched base with you) and make sure the deal is done...for exactly this reason. Doesn't mean you should wait forever and both parties have responsibility to communicate, but I think you should make the effort before moving on. My $.02.
 
Thats why I never make trades I just buy it new from the store or maker, you just never know what your going to get.
 
I'd like to see the other side of this story as well.

I have never traded off or sold a knife that I got from another member, but if I were to be thinking of doing this right after receiving it, I would contact the other person to make sure they got the knife and were satisfied with it. I would try a couple of times to make contact before moving on.

It would also be interesting to know if it was prearranged that Yager would be sending his knife after receiving MVF's. From the original post, it seems that MVF thought that they would be shipping at the same time.

An accurate discription of the knife is imperative.
 
The Last Confederate said:
It ain't a deal until both parties are satisfied...........

It is a basic and just rule to trade by, and it is disappointing that there are some actively trading/selling here now who do not follow this rule.
 
I, too, am waiting to hear Yager's reply.

Just to be clear, my concern is not the shipping, or even the trade (unless it was traded before I received the Mole Jack), as maybe I did take too much time deciding that it wasn't right (I think it was 5 days). I also researched here as to whether I was being fair or not.

My real complaints are first, that he specified that the blade was mint (and that mine be mint as well), and second, that after being made aware that I was not happy, no effort (other than the offer to buy it back at an unfairly low price) was made.
 
dragonass said:
Thats why I never make trades I just buy it new from the store or maker, you just never know what your going to get.

You know what your getting if the seller is honest in his description and posts quality pics where you can actually see the knife. I dont know how Yagers knife was described.
 
dragonass said:
Thats why I never make trades I just buy it new from the store or maker, you just never know what your going to get.


thats simply not correct.

most folks go above & beyond to provide an accurate description, and then there are pics of course.

99.9 % of the folks on BF they say "LNIB" they mean "LNIB".

i have done dozens if not hundreds of swaps thru the yrs with never a single problem, not too shabby for an internet community where no one REALLY knowes one another, my wife was amazed (at first) that so few people had any problems.
 
The Last Confederate said:
I'm kinda suprised that Yager has been in here in TGBU since this thread started, but didn't reply???????

Yeah. you would think there would have been some kind of a reply.
 
I guess the lack of response is my answer. I had really hoped this was going to be an "All's well that ends well" story.
 
I'd like to hear a response... but looks like it's being avoided. I for one will not do business with anyone doing business such as this...
 
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