Bad trade from Yager

Look, unless the flaw in question is extremely obvious it is highly unlikely, IMHO, that it would show up in a pic unless the lighting conditions, angle, resolution, photographer, etc. were just right. Some dark, obscure pic at this point seems, well, pointless.

Anyway, sorry, MVF, bottom line is you waited too long. Get it? For whatever sorry-a$$ reason, YOU waited to freakin' long. Deal wit it! Five or seven or whatever days are just too damn long to expect us all to say, "Someone's not happy so the deal isn't done."

Based on your 'I'm willing to accept this much blame per se' posts it seems, in principle, you seem willing to admit your complicity while simultaneously demanding a resolution that relieves of your responsibility to communicate in a timely and efficient fashion. Problem is, if you had, based on Yagers rep to date, I think this whole thing never would’ve gotten so convoluted. Sorry, but, in that respect, I think you F'd up and you need to own up. As far as I'm concerned, you'll have to live with it. Lesson learned. Won't happen again. Ain’t no big thang. Drop it. Let it go.

That said, I feel justified in venturing into the highly subjective and off ‘times irrelevant ("supercilious" some might say) :D realm of "WWRD" - "What Would Ruzster DO?" :p (I'm sure you're all a-twitter)

I'd take the knife back and give you whatever freakin' amount extra you think is fair or do whatever I could to shut you the "F" up because, personally, nothing is worth the beating my rep would take based on the FUBAR circumstances involved in this particular trade. I'd be like, "F-it! Here's your money or your knife or whatever and STFU 'cause you're a pain in my butt and my rep's worth more than this sorry-a$$ deal ever was. Be gone with ye and it!"

Now, who do think many of our fellow forumites would be more likely to do a deal with in the future?

But that's just me and, for the most part, I don't know a GD thing. ‘nuff said.
 
OK already! As I said- "At this point, I guess I just chalk this up as a learning experience."

First you complain that I admit my mistakes but still seek resolution (on a different issue really, but nice point), and then 2 sentences later want to slam me for not owning up to my mistakes? Hmmm.

I believe I have owned up to my mistakes several times. I also dropped it. I get it, I learned my lesson, etc. -but now I'm the bad guy? Thanks man, like this wasn't already a pleasant enough experience!

PS. You're right about the picture
 
"Now, who do think many of our fellow forumites would be more likely to do a deal with in the future?"

Let me state this plainly-

Before I put MY name and MY word out there that any knife is mint I will have inspected it in detail. It will be free from any noticeable defects, and if there is anything noticeable about the knife, even if it's not a defect, that might make it less than flawless, it will be listed as "Mint except for...." The knife I have been complaining about I would not have listed as mint at all. I would have listed it as "New and Unused", and even though technically that is accurate, I would still have specifically mentioned the wire edge and described the spot of missing coating. That is the level of care, consideration and accuracy I will provide in all my dealings. That's a promise, and now it's in writing.

Mike Fowler
 
Mike,

It really is about communication and expectations.

An example would be comparing a Strider to a Sebenza. They are both good knives, and right for the right person, but they are not comparable, apples to apples.

Busses are strange knives, they are not inexpensive, the communications with the company can be, odd, at times, and their business model defies reason. But, they make knives that people like, and they have their niche. They also do a great job of working to make sure that the customer is satisfied with his product....eventually.

Yager is not Busse, so your gripe is with Busse now, and they will make it right. Like everyone is saying, you closed the deal with your expression of satisfaction, and you stepped on your dick by making your eventual disatisfaction public.

G,B & U is a double edged sword, in that if you are trashing on someone, and the facts come to light that you are wrong, that venom gets directed back to you.

Live, learn, go forth, trade/buy with care, and enjoy your hobby/addiction/passion, but try not to repeat previous mistakes.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
MVF said:
OK already! As I said- "At this point, I guess I just chalk this up as a learning experience."

First you complain that I admit my mistakes but still seek resolution (on a different issue really, but nice point), and then 2 sentences later want to slam me for not owning up to my mistakes? Hmmm.

I believe I have owned up to my mistakes several times. I also dropped it. I get it, I learned my lesson, etc. -but now I'm the bad guy? Thanks man, like this wasn't already a pleasant enough experience!

PS. You're right about the picture
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Sorry if that came across kind of harshly, Mike. Had a few belts in me and my capacity for self-editing went out the window. In sober retrospect, :rolleyes: I believe "let it go" - "live and learn" - etc, and so forth may have sufficed.

MVF said:
"Now, who do think many of our fellow forumites would be more likely to do a deal with in the future?"

Let me state this plainly-

Before I put MY name and MY word out there that any knife is mint I will have inspected it in detail. It will be free from any noticeable defects, and if there is anything noticeable about the knife, even if it's not a defect, that might make it less than flawless, it will be listed as "Mint except for...." The knife I have been complaining about I would not have listed as mint at all. I would have listed it as "New and Unused", and even though technically that is accurate, I would still have specifically mentioned the wire edge and described the spot of missing coating. That is the level of care, consideration and accuracy I will provide in all my dealings. That's a promise, and now it's in writing.

Mike Fowler
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So noted. Fair enough.

Kohai999 said:
Mike,

It really is about communication and expectations.

An example would be comparing a Strider to a Sebenza. They are both good knives, and right for the right person, but they are not comparable, apples to apples.

Busses are strange knives, they are not inexpensive, the communications with the company can be, odd, at times, and their business model defies reason. But, they make knives that people like, and they have their niche. They also do a great job of working to make sure that the customer is satisfied with his product....eventually.

Yager is not Busse, so your gripe is with Busse now, and they will make it right. Like everyone is saying, you closed the deal with your expression of satisfaction, and you stepped on your dick by making your eventual disatisfaction public.

G,B & U is a double edged sword, in that if you are trashing on someone, and the facts come to light that you are wrong, that venom gets directed back to you.

Live, learn, go forth, trade/buy with care, and enjoy your hobby/addiction/passion, but try not to repeat previous mistakes.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Umm . . . yea . . . what he said so eloquently and un-condescendingly.

(disappearing back into the crowd) :o
 
As if this thread does not have a lot in it already, I am just going to say something very quick based on how this has progressed.

Dan, I have dealt personally with you in the past. No problems whatsoever. No problem dealing with you in the future.

Mike, I have NOT dealt with you in the past. Based on this thread, I will also have no problem dealing with you in the future.

If nothing else, everyone here is a little more knowledgeable as a result of this unfortunate set of circumstances.
 
I really want to let this die, but since I'm getting schooled here I might as well learn as much as I can.

I am familiar with Busses (this is my 5th, and not the first with a burr left on), but are you all saying that you would accept this knife as "mint"?

Also, thank you Kohai, Ruzster, On the Edge and everyone else who posted reasonable and constructive comments. I live and learn (I hope!)
 
I always figured MINT was the same condition as it was in when new. If not would there be any MINT Striders?:D (I say Strider as it's well known that they are a little "rough" sometimes when new, not to start a Strider war. The point being if you got a new Strider that had "Stridermarks" on it would it be mint or not? Mint seems to mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people.)
 
Not commenting on the trade at hand, but as far as Busses are concerned, out of the 6 I have owned, only 2 have had a perfect edge grind.
 
MVF said:
I am familiar with Busses (this is my 5th, and not the first with a burr left on), but are you all saying that you would accept this knife as "mint"?
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Mint does not necessarily mean a perfect knife, it means "as it came from the factory". Some can be flawed, and still mint.

So, an accurate description would be mint for this knife, HOWEVER, if I was the one selling the knife, I would point out the "flaw".

This "flaw" can be fixed by the factory in about 30 seconds, and, at that point, would be a true "mint" knife.

I hope I made this clear, without being redundant.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
MVF said:
I am familiar with Busses (this is my 5th, and not the first with a burr left on), but are you all saying that you would accept this knife as "mint"?
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Well, if there is a part of the coating that is rubbed off, even if it came from the factory that way, no it is not "mint" in my mind -- it is "new, never carried, sharpened, or used, but nevertheless came from the factory with a spot of coating missing from (location of missing coating)". That is how I would have phrased it, but not everyone is the same, and not everyone is as anal. To me, "mint" is a fuzzy, somewhat subjective word that probably has at least the potential to mean different things to different people. Same with "minty mint". What does that mean???

That said, I have no idea if I would have accepted the knife. I am not in your shoes working within timeframes that have long since gone by. Personally, I think I would have been much more succint and careful in what words I used.

Also, I have never really worried too much about any edge on a knife, unless it was so skewed or damaged as to be (IMO) unfixable by someone unless they were a professional. Sharpening is a basic skill that is a necessity of the hobby we enjoy. If you don't like the edge, sharpen it. If you won't sharpen it, then either embrace what is in your opinion a crappy edge or just get rid of the knife. Unless you damage the edge trying to sharpen it in a moment of ignorance, I don't think anybody is going to fault you for making the edge sharper. But again, once you sharpen it, just say to the next guy who gets the knife, "hey, I shapened it with an Apex Edge Pro and got rid of that crappy wire edge from the factory." It allows the guy to make an informed choice and further insulates you from culpability when he come back to you and says, "hey, I thoought this thing was going to have the factory edge and grind on it, but it doesn't, so could I get my $ back?"

Contary to what some may think, generally speaking, more questions and communication make for happier parties.
 
MVF said:
I am familiar with Busses (this is my 5th, and not the first with a burr left on), but are you all saying that you would accept this knife as "mint"?
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Some may disagree with me, but to me there is "Mint" and there is "Busse Mint". I'll try to illustrate:

I bought a Kirby Lambert Inferno (custom folder) recently, with Bone handles, ironwood bolsters, titanium liners and satin finish blade. A Kirby Lambert folder to me is not Mint unless it is FLAWLESS. The blade better be perfectly centerd, handle materials unblemished, and blade polished without a mark on it.

On the other hand, having owned many Busse's straight from factory/company store, I know that sometimes there is a coating flaw, edges may be sharper on some than others, etc. I got a Force One Custom Shop Variant right off the Busse table at a knife show that had some smoothing in the crinkle coat, not from use, just a result of the coating process. To me even though the top serrations weren't as sharp as I'd like and the coating may not be consistent, to me it is still MINT as it is that way from factory and unused in any way.

Why would I accept the Busse as mint and not have the same expectations as I would the Lambert custom? Probably just because I KNOW that knives as the one in question in MVF's thread DO come from Busse that way. Not a knock on Busse, they're awesome knives, it's just the way they are sometimes. They're different knives for different purposes. I don't know if that makes any sense, but I'd accept that Busse as mint. I don't fault either of you. Chalk it up.
 
OilMan said:
The point being if you got a new Strider that had "Stridermarks" on it would it be mint or not? Mint seems to mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people.)
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What is a "Stridermark"??????

rjd
 
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