Seems like they are acting like adults who are able to do whatever they please with the knives they own. There are thousands upon thousands of good knives out there. There is no reason to hang onto one that irks you in any way, including the actions of the person who made it.
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Bark River has taken $16,000 of My Money
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While you are quite correct in what you say, some of us, myself included, don't want knives that have bad feelings associated with them.
Speaking strictly for myself, I've sold or given away just about every knife I've ever owned that came from a maker that I found out after the fact had less than honorable character. For me life's too short to be surrounded by bad mojo (willingly).
I've never owned a BRKT offering as I have been aware of the issues and allegations surrounding Stewart and company for years. There's never been any dispute about his ability to produce an excellent knife. But it's not all about the product imho. Character counts.
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It'll accomplish absolutely nothing that affects Mike Stewart or BRKT. It will get rid of the disgusted feeling I get when I look at it now. Irrational? Maybe. But I'd rather know that my money went to helping stand up guys (like RAT Cutlery, Himalayan Imports, or one of our custom makers here), than one that was produced by some one who probably screwed someone over in order to bring about its creation.
Sorry if it bothers you, but I try to have morals, and despite the arguments on the 'net, there' is no such thing as a tool that is the only one that can do a job. So, for me, I'll go with the upright guys.
Also, it does reflect on me a bit. Say I'm out in the woods or at a function or something, and someone sees it on me. They may not say anything, or they may strike up a "hey did you know the owner of BRKT did. . . ." Either way, I could be seen as someone willingly supporting a known unethical businessman, and that can reflect on me.
I agree wholeheartedly. :thumbup:
I, too, have known about Mike Stewart's nasty record for many years and have experienced some of his crap personally. Some (scores) had hoped that he had finally got a grip on things and cleaned up his act. Without a conversion of sorts, this obviously will never happen with people like him. Too bad that such a talented knife maker had to throw away any "righteous" reputation he might have had on greed and criminal self-interests.
The average knife buyer or customer will never have a problem with Stewart, for the most part. If the man owes you anything (speak with some of his better past employees, suppliers, or designers such as the great Jerry Fisk's), it can be a roll of the dice. Good luck.
I could never own a Bark River knife knowing what I know about its source and, the complete lack of integrity behind the man who owns the company. I only feel poorly for his family.
Sorry, but if you purchase a Bark River knife, you will be indirectly supporting the activity behind the maker, like it or not. Some might see this differently, but I can't go along with that logic.
-Pastor Jerod
I wish there was a list of all the makers/manufacturers that are bad. I use that term loosely.
It would save me the headache of buying from a ________ (insert appropriate term here)
You guys that have been in "knives" for decades need to let the little guys know what's up.
If someone is that bad, they do not need to be in business to screw anyone else over.
Especially me.
mike
It would save me the headache of buying from a ________ (insert appropriate term here)
You guys that have been in "knives" for decades need to let the little guys know what's up.
If someone is that bad, they do not need to be in business to screw anyone else over.
Especially me.
mike
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Convicted
I have nothing to add to what was said by Blues, etc. It's my property and if I decide to sell because of ANY reason, then it's my business.
With that said, I will say that this recent hullabaloo, coupled with other issues of similar kind involving MS, was the straw that broke the camel's back. I had already decided to sell it, but this pushed me over the edge.
FWIW, it's sold now.
Brett
With that said, I will say that this recent hullabaloo, coupled with other issues of similar kind involving MS, was the straw that broke the camel's back. I had already decided to sell it, but this pushed me over the edge.
FWIW, it's sold now.
Brett
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I'll be keeping my Barkies. But I doubt I'll be buying any more. If anything I'll keep them because they were made in Michigan by some Yooper. Michigan has lost a lot of it's knife companies. Sadly the biggest one now has to be run by such a shady character.
It really is a shame, they make some good knives.
It really is a shame, they make some good knives.
Well I posted a little of my opinion over on the KF's, and with the understanding that my opinion is exactly that. Holy crap the moderator whomever he is is going ballistic on me. I've read about every post here and there. Bottom line to me is that SS paid the fella 16g's to make him some knives he could try and market. Stewart has missed the dead line of delivery along with numerous other deadlines concerning said venture. It boggles my mind how he would do that number one, and continue to do it number two with no real concern for returning said funds or even making the knives. I mean that is criminal am I right? Anyways never ceases to amaze what people will do for a buck. keepem sharp
thanks bigmike. they're all sold.
Great knives, for sure but sold by crooks!
Induldge to your heart's content!
Brett
Great knives, for sure but sold by crooks!
Induldge to your heart's content!
Brett
Great, …sell ‘em off, …I’m always interested in good deals on quality knives. :thumbup:
I’ll be watching to for sale section know more the ever.
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Great, sell em off, Im always interested in good deals on quality knives. :thumbup:
Ill be watching to for sale section know more the ever.
It is "now", rather than "know".....I play the grammar police on TV.
If you are the same BigMike from "over there" what position would you like to take as a BRK apologist?
Do you think this behavior is good for the knife community? If you gave a man a large sum of money to produce something for you, would you not expect your "something" or your money back in a timely fashion.
How in good conscience as members of this COMMUNITY can ANYONE defend this behavior?
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That's kinda the boat I find myself in, this seems to be a repeating pattern that at this point I've had to ask myself, "Can all these people that have had problems with this person ALL be wrong?"
I really feel left out because it seems like so many of you are either some sort of big shot that has commercial ventures into the knife industry or knows big name people in the industry well enough that your conversations have gone beyond your interest in knives and on to the reputation of some third party that neither of you do business with.
Does this sound sarcastic, it should because that's the tone I'm trying to convey.
I am a nobody in the industry, I like good knives and read forums to learn.
I don't post because I don't have anything to say.... until now.
When I do say something it's only after I have my facts straight so that I don't have to worry about someone doing to me what I'm going to do to some of you right now. I'm handicapped so I stay at home and read on the Internet. My body is shot and my eyesight is going but my mind is still razor sharp so I do tend to remember a lot of what is said and what happens.
You have all done a terrific job of assassinating the character of Mike Stewart... congratulations, if he really is the scum bag you claim him to be, he deserves it. But if you can't prove your allegations, what does that make you?
Let's start with BladeandBarrel. You have claimed several times to have first hand experience with Mike Stewart. You claim to have been ripped off by him, but your profile has no information about who you are leaving me to wonder who you are.
I would think that if you are some sort of big shot in the industry you would be proud of who you are, but I don't see that....
SO BladeandBarrel, share the story... the whole story and be ready to offer proof. I would think that someone who was legitimate would be able to do that.
How about you Oupa. I seem to remember you getting knives from Mike Stewart and hacking them up. I think Bark River's Distributor still has some of those knives so they must not have been a very hot item. I also recall some sort of episode at another knife related forum where you attacked Mike Stewart and created such a problem that the forum was shut down for a period of time.
If I remember right, Mike is still a member there and you were banned and all of your posts were removed. That seems like a pretty serious banishment. I wonder about your motivations since you obviously don't like Mr. Stewart. Your quote certainly doesn't add much to the story as it reads like a couple of egos ran into each other.
There are an awful lot of you who have Inside Information about a federal case involving Mr Stewart, inside information that you don't seem very willing to share other than for you to SAY I saw... or I was told... or I think...
If this information exists in the world of free information, I think it's put up or shut up time.
Now let's talk about the guy who started this thread, SnarlSlayer.
Steve has done a lot to present his side of the matter. He clearly stated that he is looking to the court of public opinion for resolution of this matter and it looks like he found the lynching party he was seeking here.
With apologies to Esav Benyamin I am going to refer you all to take a look at KnifeForums. Mike Stewart has not attacked Steve in return although I think Sharpshooter is rather unhappy with Steve. We don't have both sides of the story making fair judgment a rather difficult proposition. There is something else that Snarlslayer seems to have left out of his story that doesn't make him look like the poor innocent lamb he wants us to see him as.
Snarlslayer was running a contest on the Bark River Forum for videos on how to sharpen knives.
Go a search and see when it started....
Then See when the rules were posted...
Then see how he solicited entries, after stating that he retained all rights to the contest entries for use on his site. By the way Steve, where is your site?
Then pay close attention to how he promoted the contest and how long it took for him to announce the winners.
I don't seem to be able to see who won the contest or who the prizes were awarded to.
I really believe that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
It's not $16,000, it's the cost of two knives but the entrants are customers... actually Bark River Customers.
I see Snarlslayer a bit like Mike Stewart says he is, he disappeared for months at a time and then insisted on Mike delivering a product that he wouldn't be able to sell.
It's Steve's money, right?
Well if the knives were to say SnarlSlayer Knives on them the issue would be different... but I recall there being a lot of buildup on this knife and a lot of guys waiting to buy one. When Snarlslayer doesn't deliver the knives or doesn't even have a website to sell them, it's not Snarlslayers Forum the unhappy customers will be on, it will be the Bark River Forum and it will be Mike who is the bad guy who isn't delivering the knives.
Mike told Snarlslayer what is going to happen he will get his money when the Distributors pay him for them. I think if I were Mike I would deliver the knives to Steve, without any Bark River markings, make the Bark River Version and leave Snarlslayer with a bunch of knives he can't turn into money.
Snarlslayer is better off this way, he gets all of the money back more quickly than if he were stuck with the knives and what appears to be no way to sell them.
You all are very quick to pass judgment without the facts. I'm not.
I wonder if SnarlSlayer can tell us about how he planned to sell those knives since he doesn't have a website? I think we all know the answer.
I'll be reading and listening.
Does this sound sarcastic, it should because that's the tone I'm trying to convey.
I am a nobody in the industry, I like good knives and read forums to learn.
I don't post because I don't have anything to say.... until now.
When I do say something it's only after I have my facts straight so that I don't have to worry about someone doing to me what I'm going to do to some of you right now. I'm handicapped so I stay at home and read on the Internet. My body is shot and my eyesight is going but my mind is still razor sharp so I do tend to remember a lot of what is said and what happens.
You have all done a terrific job of assassinating the character of Mike Stewart... congratulations, if he really is the scum bag you claim him to be, he deserves it. But if you can't prove your allegations, what does that make you?
Let's start with BladeandBarrel. You have claimed several times to have first hand experience with Mike Stewart. You claim to have been ripped off by him, but your profile has no information about who you are leaving me to wonder who you are.
I would think that if you are some sort of big shot in the industry you would be proud of who you are, but I don't see that....
SO BladeandBarrel, share the story... the whole story and be ready to offer proof. I would think that someone who was legitimate would be able to do that.
How about you Oupa. I seem to remember you getting knives from Mike Stewart and hacking them up. I think Bark River's Distributor still has some of those knives so they must not have been a very hot item. I also recall some sort of episode at another knife related forum where you attacked Mike Stewart and created such a problem that the forum was shut down for a period of time.
If I remember right, Mike is still a member there and you were banned and all of your posts were removed. That seems like a pretty serious banishment. I wonder about your motivations since you obviously don't like Mr. Stewart. Your quote certainly doesn't add much to the story as it reads like a couple of egos ran into each other.
There are an awful lot of you who have Inside Information about a federal case involving Mr Stewart, inside information that you don't seem very willing to share other than for you to SAY I saw... or I was told... or I think...
If this information exists in the world of free information, I think it's put up or shut up time.
Now let's talk about the guy who started this thread, SnarlSlayer.
Steve has done a lot to present his side of the matter. He clearly stated that he is looking to the court of public opinion for resolution of this matter and it looks like he found the lynching party he was seeking here.
With apologies to Esav Benyamin I am going to refer you all to take a look at KnifeForums. Mike Stewart has not attacked Steve in return although I think Sharpshooter is rather unhappy with Steve. We don't have both sides of the story making fair judgment a rather difficult proposition. There is something else that Snarlslayer seems to have left out of his story that doesn't make him look like the poor innocent lamb he wants us to see him as.
Snarlslayer was running a contest on the Bark River Forum for videos on how to sharpen knives.
Go a search and see when it started....
Then See when the rules were posted...
Then see how he solicited entries, after stating that he retained all rights to the contest entries for use on his site. By the way Steve, where is your site?
Then pay close attention to how he promoted the contest and how long it took for him to announce the winners.
I don't seem to be able to see who won the contest or who the prizes were awarded to.
I really believe that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
It's not $16,000, it's the cost of two knives but the entrants are customers... actually Bark River Customers.
I see Snarlslayer a bit like Mike Stewart says he is, he disappeared for months at a time and then insisted on Mike delivering a product that he wouldn't be able to sell.
It's Steve's money, right?
Well if the knives were to say SnarlSlayer Knives on them the issue would be different... but I recall there being a lot of buildup on this knife and a lot of guys waiting to buy one. When Snarlslayer doesn't deliver the knives or doesn't even have a website to sell them, it's not Snarlslayers Forum the unhappy customers will be on, it will be the Bark River Forum and it will be Mike who is the bad guy who isn't delivering the knives.
Mike told Snarlslayer what is going to happen he will get his money when the Distributors pay him for them. I think if I were Mike I would deliver the knives to Steve, without any Bark River markings, make the Bark River Version and leave Snarlslayer with a bunch of knives he can't turn into money.
Snarlslayer is better off this way, he gets all of the money back more quickly than if he were stuck with the knives and what appears to be no way to sell them.
You all are very quick to pass judgment without the facts. I'm not.
I wonder if SnarlSlayer can tell us about how he planned to sell those knives since he doesn't have a website? I think we all know the answer.
I'll be reading and listening.
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