Bark River has taken $16,000 of My Money

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“You can expect it all You want. You will be paid from the proceeds of the Sale of those knives. That is the way it will happen. That is where the money is and that is how it will come back to You.”
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That is BS
What happens if the knives don't sell?
How long does he expect you to wait to get your 16k?

It sounds like you got a pretty good court case
It sounds borderline Ponzi Scheme to me
Who knows how many other people he owes money to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbing_Peter_to_pay_Paul
He is a thief, plain and simple

I would sue him for the 16K PLUS a high percentage of any profits from your knife order

I would also make a "barkriverknifeandtoolsarethieves.blogspot.com" and post your story
That way when someone searches Google===>
They will see your story....
 
oupa said:
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MS is clever.
By using public forums he is getting free promotion for himself and his product.
He purposely developed a keyboard persona, gives a few freebies to the natives, uses his lapdogs to promote how great he and his product is and cuts down/ridicules anyone who disagrees.
So in this case, where he cannot pull the strings behind the screens as he does not have anyone here in his pocket, he is being judged by his own marketing tool.
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Right on.

That is obvious since the BRKT website hasn't been updated in God knows how long.
 
You all are very quick to pass judgment without the facts. I'm not.
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MrPeabody, Looks like you, sir, have just passed judgement yourself. And, since you seem to lack "the" facts, your judgement is preconceived and distorted. I clearly remember my facts of a past negative experience with Mr. Stewart. As far as the facts of the current issue with Mr. Stewart; it doesn't take a genius to see that he is clearly in the wrong.

You mentioned Oupa having to depart a certain forum because of turmoil. I clearly remember the Mike Stewart bunch wanting to take over that particular forum like they have with Knife Forums. Just how many forums has Mike Stewart been kicked off of anyway? As a member of several of them, I know firsthand that he has been kicked off of several. Ask yourself "why". He wasn't able to convince all of the forum owners that his intentions were honorable.

Just how are your related to Mr. Stewart any how?

-Jerod
 
an analysis of a barkie would address that link. though I would think it should test a 12C27 blade, unless the A2 knives are miraculously rest-free (6A is stainless).
 
JTR357 said:
I really wish I never read read this.Ignorance is bliss sometimes.I have my eye on a few Barkies & now I'm having second thoughts.:(

C'mon Mike, get in here & defend yourself!
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I think there is a control issue in regards to this mate.
 
I didn't say that I approved of anything that has transpired up to this point. I don't know the whole story in the current situation and probably never will.

I certainly do not approve of devious and deceitful business practices by anyone but I do believe that people can change. There is some value to the concept of "innocent until proven guilty".

Glass houses and that sort of thing. Were I judged on my past I doubt that I'd have a future.

Do I think that things could have been handled better in the other forum? Hell yes. I don't believe that ridicule has any place in discussions such as this, it brings us all down and serves no useful purpose.

Sketchbag: "I suppose you'd hire a contractor with a history of ripping off clients, because his past is "none of your business". "

No I wouldn't. None of what has transpired was known to me. What is currently going on doesn't provide me with enough information to make an intelligent decision. I have never been "ripped off" on any of the many Bark River knives that I have purchased over the past few years.

I doubt that there are any of us taking part in this discussion that would like to have our pasts known to all here. The only seemingly factual thing that I have seen so far is the article regarding a law suit, I still have no idea of its outcome.

What I know of Mike Stewart is that he makes great knives, based on my own experience he is very generous and has excellent customer service. I may be naive but to this point that is the man I know. It appears that some of you have had bad past experiences with him but I have not. You can't blame me for looking at this situation from my perspective just because my experiences have been different from yours.
 
cody1 said:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/170/ripoff0170631.htm
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No surprise at all. Many if not most of the Blackjack knives marked 0170-6 were in fact 1095 with a cryo quench. Creative marketing unleashed on unsuspecting customers is a Mike Stewart hallmark.

The EK knives advertised as 440-B and C were Asian blades of AUS-6 and Aus-8 also.

There is no consumer protection in the knife industry. It is unregulated for all intents and purposes...
 
kiahs said:
By 6A, I'm assuming they mean AUS 6A. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. AUS 6A can not be confused with A2. A2 readily takes a patina, AUS 6 does not. The mentioned blanks do look very close to some BR blades though.
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Not sure about all the models, but the Blackwater Boot Knife, for example, is supposed to be made from 12C27... a stainless.
 
LeeCQC said:
Not sure about all the models, but the Blackwater Boot Knife, for example, is supposed to be made from 12C27... a stainless.
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I didn't think of that. Still, if you can work with A2, 52100, 1095, 154cm, and the other steels BR uses in house, I don't see a reason to outsource the 12c27 stuff, especially if it's not 12c27. :confused:
 
you could bring Cliff back to give his expert analysis
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I've brought it up in a couple of threads, yet have never seen a definitive answer. The question I've posed has been about Bark River's Bravo 1 model, about which Mike Stewart stated:

http://www.jerzeedevil.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19889
"As some of You know We have been working on a knife with the Training Unit of the Recon Marines.

About a Year ago--These Fellows--without saying anything to anyone -- Bought about $5,000.00 Worth of knives for Testing.

They Bought a pretty Wide selection of knives by a lot of makers. Mostly Higher End Stuff and some issue level Models.

What they wanted was a real Survival knife--It had to be strong--Compact and able to withstand all the rigors of real time Hard use.

The knife is not a Fighter--It is a Survival Knife. They said they have Zero Use for a Fighter.

They maintain that Guns and Bullets are for Fighting and knives are Tools.

They Set about Testing and When all the Tests were complete the Bark River Gameskeeper was the Winner.

They said the Gameskeeper was the only knife that was still in one piece after the Test and still sharp.

I was contacted after the Testing was Complete. I was just as much in the Dark on the Whole process as all the other makers.

They liked everything about the Gameskeeper but wanted a Few Changes.

1.--Eliminate the Choil (More Cutting Edge)

2. Make the Guard a-Self Guard (Built In--Not Attached)

3. Add a Small Ramp to the Spine (to be Able to put more Direct Pressure on the Blade at the Plunge Line for Notching)

I sent them a Drawing of the Gameskeeper with their Modifications."



"I actually don't know all of the Tests but they were all in the Field in Training Exercises and some in actual Ops.

They did give me a list of the other knives but I'm just not going to release that stuff.

They were Less the Diplomatic in their Descriptions of what they thought about some of the other knives and I would never repeat it.

I never criticize other knife companies.

All I'll say is that some of the names on the list did surprise me.

If--at some point--they want to release the list I'll have Clean hands.

I'm very happy that they chose Our knife.

They did say that they never heard of Bark River and one of the guys in the unit suggested that they add one to the group.

Can't wait till you see the Fully Rigged out Set they Actually Want.

Bravo-1
Mikro-Canadian
Custom Firesteel

All on the Same Modular Sheath.

Reid will make one up later this Week.

Mike"

My question was, and still is, if the Training Unit of the Recon Division of the United States Marine Corps has offically commissioned Bark River Knife and Tool to make this knife for them, what is the associated NSN (National Stock Number)? Does anybody happen to know?

Regards,
3G
 
Cpl Punishment said:
Yeah, seriously, Derrick runs a good business, no need to piss in his Cheerios.

In fact, when I was on the fence about wanting the Aurora with the African Blackwood, I didn't know if it would be grippy enough or should I go with the green canvas. He told me to buy the one I want, use it, abuse it, and if I didn't like it, he'd swap it for the other.

Seriously, for a distributor to offer to trade out what would be an obviously used knife just because someone decided they don't like it? That plus all my dealings with him have been great, don't personally attack him because he has a different perspective.

Also, he isn't an exclusive dealer, he sells a lot of brands of knives that are popular with everyone here like RAT Cutlery, Buck, Case, Falkniven, Scagel, etc. So I doubt he's "in bed" with Mike Stewart anymore than he'd be "in bed" with any of the others.
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Agreed, Derrick is a great guy and has helped me out in the past when I was tight on money. I will definitely get him back by buying many future knives from his store. I really like his take on the whole situation too. :thumbup:
 
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