Bark River has taken $16,000 of My Money

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simms65 said:
Attacking people in public is no way to get things resolved, especially from people who are not directly involved with the business proceedings. I ask that everyone please keep this in mind.
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Who is being attacked? That is a very defensive (and incorrect) commentary about the OP's problems with Mike Stewart. The man has tried for 9 months to get Mike Stewart to fullful his obligations. Of course he should make it public, that's likely the only leverage he has.

I haven't visited KF is quite a while (it's pretty much run by "post deletion master" Mike Stewart). This thread would have already been deleted on KF.
Thank you BladeForums for your policy of locking threads vs. deleting them. This man's problems with Mike Stewart absolutely should be public record.
 
Where can I go to get the whole story? This one interests me...thanks.

Edit...NVM, I found it. Thx.
 
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whitie said:
Who is being attacked?

...I haven't visited KF is quite a while (it's pretty much run by "post deletion master" Mike Stewart). This thread would have already been deleted on KF.
Thank you BladeForums for your policy of locking threads vs. deleting them. This man's problems with Mike Stewart absolutely should be public record.
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The Fact is that no posts have been deleted, and the thread has been made a “sticky” for all to read.

Not being privy to all the facts, I will not comment other the to say that this disgruntled knife dealer joined the BladeForums Community with the sole purpose to flame a knife maker.

Bad form in my opinion.
 
IMO,no matter what the circumstances are here,in this problem,I will add,it is never in your interest to give that much of a percentage of the projected pricetag,"up front",on any type of contract work.
In this case,no matter what you do now,court,etc.,"the ball is in the other court". Sorry to hear of your problem & hope it works out
-Vince
 
Wow, just wow.

I just don't get how anyone can defend someone taking 16K and then deciding to do as they will. Any other past problems (or problems after the fact) are just subterfuge. Yes, I read the other thread and unfortunately that is exactly what is going on over there, anyone who doesn't let favoritism get in the way can see that.

SnarlSlayer, if your proof is as rock solid as you say it is, then you should have went straight to a lawyer the second things went south. Your not only out the 16K but also the profit that money would have brought in. Seems fishy you didn't do that immediately. If your purpose (posting this) was to hurt BRK&T, it's not gonna happen. Heck, I don't like reading things like this, but unless a knife maker is sponsoring terrorism, it's not going to stop me from buying a knife I like.
 
whitie said:
Who is being attacked? That is a very defensive (and incorrect) commentary about the OP's problems with Mike Stewart. The man has tried for 9 months to get Mike Stewart to fullful his obligations. Of course he should make it public, that's likely the only leverage he has.

I haven't visited KF is quite a while (it's pretty much run by "post deletion master" Mike Stewart). This thread would have already been deleted on KF.
Thank you BladeForums for your policy of locking threads vs. deleting them. This man's problems with Mike Stewart absolutely should be public record.
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'Twas merely a copy and paste of what I posted in the other thread. The personal attacks comment is more applicable there, but it is still relevant here. I am not defending anyone or taking any sides, just asking people to consider that the two parties involved are the people that need to solve it, not us.
 
I have never understood why someone joins a forum just to bash on another member. I hope the original poster gets his $16,000 but I am not sure what bringing the dispute here accomplishes.
 
I haven't seen any flaming on this forum, all I have seen is a presentation of facts. To all those that say it should have been played out in private between lawyers I didn't see anybody say that about the Ontario - R.A.T dispute. I personally am glad he brought it out because it will sure make me think twice about getting a Bark River if this is the way the owner conducts his business.
 
Chiller2 said:
I personally am glad he brought it out because it will sure make me think twice about getting a Bark River if this is the way the owner conducts his business.
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You are basing your understanding on one side's story on a forum the other side does not frequent. One side can always make itself seem blameless when the other is unable or unwilling to produce the rest of the story publically. If this is in front of the lawyers, both sides should be unwilling to make public statements their lawyers may have to work around.
 
You are basing your understanding on one side's story on a forum the other side does not frequent. One side can always make itself seem blameless when the other is unable or unwilling to produce the rest of the story publically. If this is in front of the lawyers, both sides should be unwilling to make public statements their lawyers may have to work around.
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I don't remember Ontario coming here and posting their side and no one (including me) had a problem siding with R.A.T but to be fair I went to the other forum and read the other party's side.
If Mike does not want to sell Snarlslayer the knifes because he doesn't trust him that is fine I have no issue with that.But what it seems he is doing is using Snarlslayers money to finance the production of the knifes without giving him a return on his investment and keeping all the profits for himself.When Mike decided he did not want to sell him the knifes fine, the money should have been returned immediately. Instead he is saying you have to wait until I sell my product.To me that is not right.
 
I say again, it's easy when you only have half the story.

(R.A.T. and Ontario is another story altogether. We don't know everything that went down between SS and MS here. What makes you think bringing up another half-heard tale will clarify this situation? :D )
 
Perhaps the judgment will be for Slayer to receive the Kepharts produced. He has apparently paid for them, since the money is not being returned and Stewart is saying the only way to pay him back is to sell these knives. The contract will then have been executed, albeit far past the due date.

Otherwise, Mike Stewart go himself an interest-free loan for a business project from a reluctant investor who will see zero return and has really lost revenue from potential sales (though how much would be awarded I couldn't guess)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I say again, it's easy when you only have half the story.

(R.A.T. and Ontario is another story altogether. We don't know everything that went down between SS and MS here. What makes you think bringing up another half-heard tale will clarify this situation? :D )
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I read Mike's side (in his own words) on another Forum basically boiled down to that over time he saw things that led him to believe that Steve would not be a good representative to sell his product so decided not to deliver to him. I have no issue with that,as far as I know he may be right, but when he decided that he should have returned the money immediately.
 
Chiller2 said:
I read Mike's side (in his own words) on another Forum basically boiled down to that over time he saw things that led him to believe that Steve would not be a good representative to sell his product so decided not to deliver to him. I have no issue with that,as far as I know he may be right, but when he decided that he should have returned the money immediately.
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My thoughts EXACTLY.

Let me put this succinctly......if someone, who I had the good faith to do business with, put my money to sleep, I would react with decisiveness, using all tools at my disposal.

I don't care if the OP buggered Mike Stewart's dog.....he is on the hook for $16k, and until he pays up...he is a SCUMMER in my book, and I would say that to his face.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Chiller2 said:
I read Mike's side (in his own words) on another Forum basically boiled down to that over time he saw things that led him to believe that Steve would not be a good representative to sell his product so decided not to deliver to him. I have no issue with that,as far as I know he may be right, but when he decided that he should have returned the money immediately.
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Ditto. I just read that whole ridiculous thread. The only problem I see is that Mike should have refunded the money immediately.
 
I think that in the end, Mike is going to return the money and everything will be square. I have dealt with Mike for some time now and know that he is a man of his word. He is not good about time tables--that is legendary. But he is not a thief.

Snarlslayer has reason to be frustrated, but IMO patience is the current wise course of action.
 
okbohn said:
I think that in the end, Mike is going to return the money and everything will be square. I have dealt with Mike for some time now and know that he is a man of his word. He is not good about time tables--that is legendary. But he is not a thief.

Snarlslayer has reason to be frustrated, but IMO patience is the current wise course of action.
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No a man of his word would have delivered on the contract he signed period his contract was his word.And man of his word not only delivers but delivers when he says he will.
Now maybe Steve broke his verbal word that he gave Mike, I don't know, but Steve has a signed contract that Mike broke and even if he felt he had good reason to break it the least he could do is return the money in a timely manner. What he has done is make Steve an unwilling investor in his company without any return on his investment so even if he returns the money he has at least stolen any potenial profit that could possibly have been earned on that money. I think Steve has been more than patient already.
 
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