batoning

DennisStrickland said:
thanks for your insights & critisms.my grammar & spelling is poor however no person is totally infallible in judgment. i'm 70 yrs of age & never had to baton a folder in my life .may i mention i've extensively fished the gulf & pacific coast many yrs,. in addition hunted & packed idaho,wash.,ore., colorado, &texas.many times by myself.persons with poor memory retention would not only forget the basic tools ;they probably forget their knife.if you are traveling or going rural you have a social obligation to be prepared so as to prevent all the energy , danger,& waste of time & resources to find & extract inept people from difficult situatioms.the article in K.I. was only one of the hundreds of this behavior i've seen in many yrs. subscriber to knife world,knives ill.,tactical knives,mother earth news , blade mag., outdoors,fur fish & game for longer than many of you have been on this earth.[70's to date] as for the person bato ning in his backyard,he is only one example of an accident begging to happen.i'm self employed,have never drawn u nemploymentor had to move back in with mommey & daddy & probably couuild still put in a harder days work then the majority of you respondents.most of you are only weekend warriors and never gone hungry in your life.your input is appreciated but damn few of you can say,[ i live where i stand & have the many scars to prove it]
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I don't know how you can make that last statement, since you know none of us that well.... if at all. While I have not been on this earth nearly as long as you have, I have been through some sh!t a time or two, and do have the scars to prove it. Further, I was not questioning your life experience, as that would be foolish of me. I was asking what you were using as a reference for your opinions stated. And I still have yet to see any related experience to prove that you were correct in calling these people morons.

It was not my intention to offend you, or start some sort of flame war. I was simply trying to emphasize that you need to be a little more careful of who you criticize. If that's how they wish to test the blade, then that's their choice. If you have something against that, might I suggest that you submit your own reviews to these magazines, and if they like what you've written perhaps your impressions will be shared with other knife enthusiasts. We all have something to bring to a discussion, and none should be blatantly called names and insulted simply because we do not agree with their views.

Kaizen1 said:
I forget where I read this, it was an article in one of the knife mags about people asking how to do knife reviews for the magazines. According the magazine I was reading, they were open to anyone submitting a review. The person need some basic writing skills, but they emphasized above all else, great pictures. It didn't seem like there was any prerequisites other than submitting a well written review with nice pictures.
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I should have been more clear in what I wrote before, but hey, a few stiff Irish whiskey drinks will do that to ya. :D

What I meant was that the people who are regular contributors to a magazine usually have a great amount of life experience in knife related fields (outdoors men, LEO, military, ect.) that they can draw on when testing a knife. Anyone can submit a review, but not everyone gets asked to submit one. That's what I was trying to say. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
 
jurisprudence said:
This brings up a point I have wondered about many times. There are examples of batoning on TV, the internet, and even this forum when it is absolutely unnecessary. Most, and nearly all times, wood can be located that is dry enough to burn. The primary purpose of splitting wood is to dry it out and should be done when it is green. Batoning dry wood serves no purpose other than proving to oneself that he or she can do it.
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Split wood has more surface area than a solid log for oxygen and heat to contact. It is not always about drying wood out, it can be about burning wood more efficiently.

And to DennisStrickland: Why am I an accident "begging" to happen? Should I be swinging an axe on my deck to split wood?:rolleyes: Batoning is much safer in a confined area.
 
Not to mention that sometimes you need a smaller piece of wood than you may have available to you. I have been on many hiking trips where I only had large pieces of wood, and needed them to be much smaller for the start of the fire. Now I'm sure someone will tell me I don't know how to make a fire or something like that, but all I know is when I baton a larger piece into small sections the fire starts like a charm.

Further, while I can carry an axe with me sometimes it's not worth the extra space it takes up in the truck. If you have several people going with you there's gonna be a lot of gear, so if I can carry a fixed blade that can baton wood and a small wire saw and get by just fine then that's exactly what I'll do.
 
Superdave1 said:
I'm with you!
Next up the guys who use their folders in steakhouses, who don't realize how dorky they look...
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Gee, Fellas, what have I missed. I have been using sharp knives out my pockets on tough steak for many years and never had anyone but the waiter pay any attention at all. When I was dating between wives I make up a pair of steak knives using Woodswalker blades and antique sea snail handles, very elegant.

I think you folks are way too sensitive to what others might think, besides this is way way off topic
 
If it's your knife, you can do as you choose with it.

Personally, I would never dream of batonning ANY knife through wood. That's why I carry a belt axe.

As for the writers in knife magazines, they're the same as writers in gun magazines.

Their articles are designed to help sell the products of their advertisers. Just look at the placement of advertising and articles. And if you see a bad review, you can just about be guaranteed that the manufacturer of the item that got the bad write-up doesn't spend advertising money in that magazine.

Be very careful about believing anything written by the "experts" in a "for profit" publication. :(:(
 
I've used my Small Sebenza to baton through 4 logs of firewood. The power went out at my friends house and it was so cold, that their 2 year old son had blue hands. (He was wearing lots of clothes too). They had no axe, fixed blade or anything else, so the only option was to take out my pocket knife and get at it:thumbup:.

Needless to say, the sebenza did everything that I needed without damage.
 
I've batoned some 2-3in stuff with my ZT0200 and done some light chopping. I went slow, everything is undamaged.

And yes, I will use my own sharp knife in a restaurant if the steak knife provided doesnt work. Who wouldnt?
 
I batoned my Kershaw JYD II through quite a bit of wood - cross and with grain - during a survival course. Worked fine.

That same knife was later batoned through some firewood to make kindling during a stay at a beach house. The house came complete with fireplace, firewood, but no axe!

I did use one of my knives at a steak house - to help someone open their birthday present. Does that count?

(Apparently I flicked it open with a little too much gusto, as someone at the next table leaned over and asked "is that legal?")
 
Superdave1 said:
I'm with you!
Next up the guys who use their folders in steakhouses, who don't realize how dorky they look...
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I'm a dork then....


Oh BTW - I could care less what you guys do with your knives. Have a good time with them is what I say :thumbup:
 
jurisprudence said:
This brings up a point I have wondered about many times. There are examples of batoning on TV, the internet, and even this forum when it is absolutely unnecessary. Most, and nearly all times, wood can be located that is dry enough to burn. The primary purpose of splitting wood is to dry it out and should be done when it is green. Batoning dry wood serves no purpose other than proving to oneself that he or she can do it.
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I guess they scotchguard all the wood where you're from. LOL
 
i think its clear to everyone that you can do ANYTHING you want with YOUR knife(s)...cut a steak at morton's, cleave rocks, whatever...

but the guy i saw who was using a FOLDER, a buck 110 to cut his steak at a ruth chris, he is a dufus...short of going to a sizzler's, i have never known a bigtime steakhouse to not have steak knives that cannot do the job...
 
pilote said:
i think its clear to everyone that you can do ANYTHING you want with YOUR knife(s)...cut a steak at morton's, cleave rocks, whatever...

but the guy i saw who was using a FOLDER, a buck 110 to cut his steak at a ruth chris, he is a dufus...short of going to a sizzler's, i have never known a bigtime steakhouse to not have steak knives that cannot do the job...
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I used a BM mini-grip at a nice sushi joint because the steak my wife ordered did not come with a knife, or a fork for that matter.

I'll now assume the name "dufus" and "dork".

You are sure quick to cast judgement on others.
 
PatriotDan said:
Im with Dennis on this and I base it on my experience.
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Alright. I'm against Dennis and I base it on my experience. 70 year olds have about 2 marbles left rolling around upstairs and they claim to be able to outwork everyone right up to the point where they fall flat on their faces and break a hip.
 
When the restaurant doesn't provide a decent steak knife, I'll use my BM 710 M-4 every time. :thumbup:

If that upsets someone, then it's their problem, not mine. :p
 
CaptInsano said:
Alright. I'm against Dennis and I base it on my experience. 70 year olds have about 2 marbles left rolling around upstairs and they claim to be able to outwork everyone right up to the point where they fall flat on their faces and break a hip.
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Seriously, this is General dude, you better watch yourself. Read FAQ, check the part about personal comments.
 
Seriously, its not that serious. I'll be more careful about who I joke around with from now on, General dude.
 
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