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Every state is going to be different. Heck it can change from city to city if they have an ordinance against a certain sized knife.

While I would never take out my knife to cut steak in public, either give me one or cook my steak better so that it does not require a chainsaw to cut.

I have a hard time believing that if someone took out their Spyderco LadyBug anyone would dial 911. Flip out a Mega folder with a 5 inch + plus blade maybe. If the cops show up attitude is going to go along ways to determining the how the out come plays out.

If you get defensive and start saying "It's legal and I'll flip it out whenever I want....I pay your salary ect.." it could go really bad for you. The knife may very well be legal but causing a disturbance isn't. The person in all probability would be asked by restraunt management to put the knife away, a refusal since it is private property could cause the cops to come. If a huge folder is in your hand or close by when they show up you'll be asked to move away from it ....not a good time to explain "It's a legal knife dam it" !!!!!

Bottom line cut it with the supplied knife and you'll have no issues.
 
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Centurian said:
Every state is going to be different. Heck it can change from city to city if they have an ordinance against a certain sized knife.

While I would never take out my knife to cut steak in public, either give me one or cook my steak better so that it does not require a chainsaw to cut.

I have a hard time believing that if someone took out their Spyderco LadyBug anyone would dial 911. Flip out a Mega folder with a 5 inch + plus blade maybe. If the cops show up attitude is going to go along ways to determining the how the out come plays out.

If you get defensive and start saying "It's legal and I'll flip it out whenever I want....I pay your salary ect.." it could go really bad for you. The knife may very well be legal but causing a disturbance isn't. The person in all probability would be asked by restraunt management to put the knife away, a refusal since it is private property could cause the cops to come. If a huge folder is in your hand or close by when they show up you'll be asked to move away from it ....not a good time to explain "It's a legal knife dam it" !!!!!

Bottom line cut it with the supplied knife and you'll have no issues.
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How true, most people would give the restaurant people a hard time along with the Police by spouting off. ;)

People forget that a restaurant is a place of business is not a public park or street etc. In truth people really can't do whatever they want, anywhere they want because of this. You have to do what they say or you can and will be removed.
 
If you have to "baton" your knife through a steak, find another steak-house. :D
 
CaptInsano said:
Alright. I'm against Dennis and I base it on my experience. 70 year olds have about 2 marbles left rolling around upstairs and they claim to be able to outwork everyone right up to the point where they fall flat on their faces and break a hip.
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Bad form....
 
If the supplied steak knife doesn't work, I just grab the steak with two hands and knaw away. Then I wipe my greasy hands and face on the table cloth. Works great for me.
 
I was just saying whipping out the folder in a restaurant appears uncouth, little old ladies bringing in their own dishes would appear silly too! Knife (k)nuts making odd use of knives could affect public image of us negatively. If little old ladies can cut their steak w/o complaint but able bodied knife knuts pull out their mammoth scaled, zdp-damascened,auto, american tanto,framelocks...well?
 
Superdave1 said:
Knife (k)nuts making odd use of knives
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Yes, cutting food is certainly odd use. It was either an Applebee's or Chili's, the service was one of those sit-around-with-an-empty-glass-of-tea-for-10-minutes affairs, and I was not given ANY knife with my steak. So, what did I do? I took out my SAK. I did not flip it out, do a combat roll on the floor, deanimate the hostess, and then somersault back to my seat. I took the knife out, cut up my steak, and ate it. As if anyone in the restaurant gave a damn about what kind of knife I had in my hand. I was a guy at the table using utensils to eat my meal. The other three people at my table did not care, and none of them were knife enthusiasts.

Those chefs, butchers, and hunters/fishermen, with their odd knife uses, what's this world coming to.
 
Batoning is fine. I just don't do it.
Off topic...What's the differenc if someone uses a pocket knife at a steak joint?Today, a lot of things once thought impolite are common. For example men wearing hats indoors and don't mention cell phones.
 
My little Sister's B/F is going to chef's school at a major collage and he said they can and do carry any folders they want. They use they all the time for opening packages and they are even encouraged to have a folder with them during class.
 
hardheart said:
Yes, cutting food is certainly odd use. It was either an Applebee's or Chili's, the service was one of those sit-around-with-an-empty-glass-of-tea-for-10-minutes affairs, and I was not given ANY knife with my steak. So, what did I do? I took out my SAK. I did not flip it out, do a combat roll on the floor, deanimate the hostess, and then somersault back to my seat. I took the knife out, cut up my steak, and ate it. As if anyone in the restaurant gave a damn about what kind of knife I had in my hand. I was a guy at the table using utensils to eat my meal. The other three people at my table did not care, and none of them were knife enthusiasts.

Those chefs, butchers, and hunters/fishermen, with their odd knife uses, what's this world coming to.
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that's pretty funny! I like the combat roll, I once had to demonstrate that for a class <mental note: not fun catching pebble in groin> but in general imho hunting, knives, fillet knives stand out in the dining area...I also take off my hat and sunglasses inside.
 
jurisprudence said:
Charcoal burns at 1000 degrees. Wood (dry, wet, or green) will burn if the fire is hot enough.

Even wet wood burns. The history of the yule log in the american south provides an example. The ending of Christmas was measured from the time the fire was extinguished. On the last day of the Christmas season, the men would find the greenest, toughest, and biggest tree that they could, and cut it down and sink it into a swamp. It would remain there until the following Christmas. Then on Christmas day, it was taken out of the swamp and brought into the master's home. After singing and a ceremony, the log was placed in the fireplace and lit. The holiday season would last until the log was burned into two parts. After the log was burned, the holiday season ended with a song and a ceremony.
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The trick is getting the fire that intense in the first place. I'd imagine that folk who are going to find themselves batonning wood with a knife are possibly in a scenario where they don't have the luxury of burning large, green logs. Among pieces of wood of equal moisture content, the smaller pieces will burn more easily. That's why folk make those curls in "fuzz-sticks"... the thin slices of wood catch more easily.

Ideally, if one could find kindling-sized, dry pieces of wood just laying about in the wild, that would save the trouble of splitting, but much of the time, found wood can be damp on the exterior layers, and splitting exposes the more dry center... or otherwise simply makes a smaller, more easily combustible piece for the fire.
 
Superdave1 said:
I was just saying whipping out the folder in a restaurant appears uncouth, little old ladies bringing in their own dishes would appear silly too! Knife (k)nuts making odd use of knives could affect public image of us negatively. If little old ladies can cut their steak w/o complaint but able bodied knife knuts pull out their mammoth scaled, zdp-damascened,auto, american tanto,framelocks...well?
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Not if the dishes supplied were dirty or leaking or otherwise didnt work. IME, little old ladies dont eat steak at restaurants that supply inadequate utensils. It would also be difficult to turn public opinion by using a knife to do what everyone knows they are for, cutting food.
 
Ankerson said:
No, it would still be a weapon because the restaurant supplies the eating utensils.

The second you pull it out it becomes a weapon, it's the same as pulling out a gun.
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This is the dumbest thing I have read in a long time.

So dumb I cannot bring myself to read the rest of the thread without replying.

And I know a thing or two about the law, and being a LEO.


I sure as hell am glad I don't live where you do!
 
Ankerson said:
If someone does call the police you won't be able to explain why you are using your knife, they aren't going to want to hear it either.
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Sure I will. I'm eating a steak, I need to cut it.

Ankerson said:
Also once you pull it out it becomes a weapon and you can be arrested for brandishing a weapon.
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Um and no.

Ankerson said:
I have seen this happen more than once to people, yes they were arrested and removed in handcuffs. ;)
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More than once? No, you haven't.

Ankerson said:
No, it would still be a weapon because the restaurant supplies the eating utensils. The second you pull it out it becomes a weapon, it's the same as pulling out a gun.
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Utter hogwash.

Brandishing a weapon - A person commits the offense of brandishing a weapon when the person exhibits any deadly or dangerous weapon in a rude, angry or threatening manner to any person in the city or goes into any courthouse, church, school or any other public meeting publicly carrying a deadly or dangerous weapon exposed to public view.

Ankerson, I've really tried to just bite my tongue, but you must be scared steamerless to get a slippie out of your pocket in public. You're doing no one any favors.
 
My Opinel #7 cuts steak very well.I even asked the waitress for a sani-towelette to clean it.
I had to give someone some hell for batoning with their Leatherman Multi-tool once.Turns out it fell on deaf ears cause now they have a multi tool without a lock and a knife blade.
 
Ankerson said:
No, it would still be a weapon because the restaurant supplies the eating utensils.

The second you pull it out it becomes a weapon, it's the same as pulling out a gun.
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So if I take it out of my pocket to cut something at work it's a weapon? Sorry, not in this state. I use my EDC at restaurants all the time everywhere I have lived or eaten and no one ever gave me a second thought or look. These states include PA., VA., WV., TX., TN., OK., MS., AL., MD., LA., KY., GA., DE., AZ., and AK. That statement is so general that it is without merit. Where do you live that you can not even use a knife in public?
 
Ankerson, I will no longer be able to trust or believe anything you say.

Just an FYI. I'm sure I am not alone, either.
 
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