Bear Grylls strikes again !

Thomas Linton said:
And he probably loves his parents. That does not excuse the duplicity and outright lies.

At least he puts his name on phony gear - to be consistent.
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Climb Mt. Everest and get back to us, but before you go, provide proof BG lied about his military career. What you provided is could be a guy seeking to get his name in the paper to publicize his TV program.

Bear Grylls goes on and on about an operation in Africa.
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BG has said he had a freefall accident while serving in Africa. Has BG in fact "gone on and on" about "an operation" in Africa? An operation and training are two different things.

This Ryan cat may have used a straw man to attack Gryllis..
 
I have nothing to add other than this............. it seems quite obvious that this thread STARTED in W&SS, and then was moved. If you look closely over the replies.... it's pretty telling. :)

As far as the whole Gerber line...... I would have to use them to judge. Looking over the prices..... that will never happen. ;)
 
Cascade_mtn's said:
I have nothing to add other than this............. it seems quite obvious that this thread STARTED in W&SS, and then was moved. If you look closely over the replies.... it's pretty telling. :)

As far as the whole Gerber line...... I would have to use them to judge. Looking over the prices..... that will never happen. ;)
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Why would this thread be moved from wilderness survival skills to here?
 
I'm indifferent on the man himself but I used to find his show entertaining if not disgusting.

However, if this blade is anywhere near the quality of his fixed blade knife that HornDog reviewed, it's rubbish.
 
bladerique said:
Climb Mt. Everest and get back to us, but before you go, provide proof BG lied about his military career. What you provided is could be a guy seeking to get his name in the paper to publicize his TV program.

BG has said he had a freefall accident while serving in Africa. Has BG in fact "gone on and on" about "an operation" in Africa? An operation and training are two different things.

This Ryan cat may have used a straw man to attack Gryllis..
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I have to climb a mountain to detect what millions already know?

Here's how he NOW (ahem) describes "the accident":
After breaking his back in three places in a parachuting accident, . . .
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Source: http://www.beargrylls.com/biography.html

He SAID he was performing survival tasks in the wild.
Others were doing much of the work and he was spending the nights in hotels and resorts. "Wild" animals were often domesticated and hired for special effects. The live volcano wasn't = coal, smoke machines, and special effects.. "Trapped in the wild" = lie.

In one episode filmed in California's Sierra Nevada mountains he was shown biting off the head of a snake for breakfast and boasting that he was living on 'just a water bottle, a cup and a flint for making fire'.

Viewers were not told that he was actually spending some nights in the Pines Resort hotel at Bass Lake, where the rooms have Internet access and is advertised as 'a cosy getaway for families' complete with blueberry pancakes for breakfast.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Survivor-roughed--hotels.html#ixzz1DL4LKL2B


Prior to the Everest Expedition, Bear, also a Karate Black Belt, spent three years with the British Special Air Service (21 SAS).
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Source: http://www.beargrylls.com/biography.html

Disingenuous at best since he never attempted qualification for the SAS.

Quote one actual SAS vet who says he was in the SAS. One will do nicely. Or you can climb Everest since you seem to think that the test of things.

The power to believe is truly amazing.

Google Grylls + fraud OR fake OR poser OR hotel and read for hours.
 
It's incumbent upon the accuser to prove his assertion, not the other way around, but I'll post this anyway.

After leaving school, Grylls considered joining the Indian Army and spent a few months hiking in the Himalayan mountains of Sikkim and West Bengal. From 1994 to 1997, he served in the United Kingdom Special Forces Reserve, with 21 Regiment Special Air Service, 21 SAS(R), as a trooper, survival instructor and Patrol Medic trained in unarmed combat, desert and winter warfare, combat survival, medics, parachuting, signals, evasive driving, climbing and explosives. He served in North Africa twice. His service in the SAS ended in 1997 as a result of a free fall parachuting accident he had suffered the previous year in Kenya. His canopy ripped at 1600 feet (500 m), partially opening, causing him to fall and land on his parachute pack on his back, which partially crushed three vertebrae. Grylls later said of the accident, "I should have cut the main parachute and gone to the reserve but thought there was time to resolve the problem". Grylls spent the next 18 months in and out of military rehabilitation at Headley Court before being discharged and directing his efforts into trying to get well enough to fulfill his childhood dream of climbing Mount Everest.
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http://www.sasspecialairservice.com/bear-grylls.html


It shouldn't be that hard to find where BG "goes on and on" about "an operation in Africa". If this were a courtroom in the UK [loser pays], your wallet would be getting considerably lighter.
 
bladerique said:
It's incumbent upon the accuser to prove his assertion, not the other way around, but I'll post this anyway.



http://www.sasspecialairservice.com/bear-grylls.html


It shouldn't be that hard to find where BG "goes on and on" about "an operation in Africa". If this were a courtroom in the UK [loser pays], your wallet would be getting considerably lighter.
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I have no idea what you mean about Africa. I only quoted what his own website says -- today -- about his accident.

As for the rest, this is not a court room -- or a space station for that matter.
One might argue that the burden of proof in logic is on he who has the affirmative of the argument.

You may attempt to ignore the uncomfortable facts about the systematic deception of his TV daring-do and believe what suits you. No jealous competitor forced him to be a poser. he did that of his own free will for pay.

He spent 18 months in the reserves attending weekend meetings. He then spent 18 months recuperating from his accident. Fully honorable service to be sure. And I am relatively sure he would have served in combat if called upon. That leaves him way down the list of survival experts, former SAS or otherwise, and the reckless conduct demonstrated on his TV show proves all needed about his lack of expertise.
 
Thomas Linton said:
I have no idea what you mean about Africa. I only quoted what his own website says -- today -- about his accident.

As for the rest, this is not a court room -- or a space station for that matter.
One might argue that the burden of proof in logic is on he who has the affirmative of the argument.

You may attempt to ignore the uncomfortable facts about the systematic deception of his TV daring-do and believe what suits you. No jealous competitor forced him to be a poser. he did that of his own free will for pay.

He spent 18 months in the reserves attending weekend meetings. He then spent 18 months recuperating from his accident. Fully honorable service to be sure. And I am relatively sure he would have served in combat if called upon. That leaves him way down the list of survival experts, former SAS or otherwise, and the reckless conduct demonstrated on his TV show proves all needed about his lack of expertise.
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So in other words, you have no facts to argue that BG lied about his military experience, only subjective horsesh-t. The value of his TV show is another matter. Let not the two conflate.
 
Either way, the line of outdoor clothing he designed has received favorable reviews from knowledgeable folks, so perhaps with the necessary redesigns his line with Gerber won't be too bad. Bear (haha) in mind, however, that the line seems to be geared mostly towards novices, which places it in a slightly different realm of expectation. It was Gerber who screwed up the first run of the "Ultimate Survival Knife," likely in a rash attempt to get it to market before Christmas.

We've all heard the stories about Bear, but it's not our place here to damn him OR defend him--this is the General forum, not W&C ;)
 
We've all heard the stories about Bear, but it's not our place here to damn him OR defend him--this is the General forum, not W&C
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I'm fairly new around here FortyTwo, so perhaps I'm in the wrong, but I don't think so. To call a man out as lying about military service is serious business where I come from. Since there are no facts to back up that smear, I'll defend BG against such libel.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Either way, the line of outdoor clothing he designed has received favorable reviews from knowledgeable folks, so perhaps with the necessary redesigns his line with Gerber won't be too bad. Bear (haha) in mind, however, that the line seems to be geared mostly towards novices, which places it in a slightly different realm of expectation. It was Gerber who screwed up the first run of the "Ultimate Survival Knife," likely in a rash attempt to get it to market before Christmas.

We've all heard the stories about Bear, but it's not our place here to damn him OR defend him--this is the General forum, not W&C ;)
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Well put.:thumbup:
 
bladerique said:
I'm fairly new around here FortyTwo, so perhaps I'm in the wrong, but I don't think so. To call a man out as lying about military service is serious business where I come from. Since there are no facts to back up that smear, I'll defend BG against such libel.
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My point is that there's an appropriate subforum for that. This subforum is for discussion of the knife, not the man. ;)
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
My point is that there's an appropriate subforum for that. This subforum is for discussion of the knife, not the man. ;)
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Well in that case, the knife seems dorky, even if the pommel issue has been solved. i don't know why, but that parang still interests me. Do you think that handle can be removed w/out to much hassle? [I've never taken and replaced a handle from a blade].
 
bladerique said:
Well in that case, the knife seems dorky, even if the pommel issue has been solved. i don't know why, but that parang still interests me. Do you think that handle can be removed w/out to much hassle? [I've never taken and replaced a handle from a blade].
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I suspect that the handle will be relatively easy to remove or else they wouldn't have used screw fasteners for the handle. I have to say I'm moderately interested in the parang as well--though a little perturbed by the Rockwell. It's really low--even for a machete.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
I suspect that the handle will be relatively easy to remove or else they wouldn't have used screw fasteners for the handle. I have to say I'm moderately interested in the parang as well--though a little perturbed by the Rockwell. It's really low--even for a machete.
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From the looks of that parang, the handle doesn't look like simple scales. Say, if you get this thing, are you going to change the handle? If so, take plenty of pics and post 'em.
 
bladerique said:
From the looks of that parang, the handle doesn't look like simple scales. Say, if you get this thing, are you going to change the handle? If so, take plenty of pics and post 'em.
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If I get one and the handle doesn't totally suck then I'll probably leave it as-is. If I end up doing a customization job on it I'll be sure to post pictures. :)
 
Thomas Linton said:
Have not read all the posts so excuse me if I repeat.

The UK press have pointed out that, whatever feats of daring do he may have performed (with whatever injuries as a result), da Bear was never in the SAS. He was in a "territorial" unit, equivalent to our National Guard. He never tried to pass "selection" for the SAS. That means he honorably served his country - just not at any time in the SAS.
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21 SAS (R) Artists Rifles is the SAS, soldiers in 21 wear the SAS beret and stable belt, and are members of the SAS. The clue is in the name.

21 SAS is in no way equivalent to your National Guard, they are part of the UK Special Forces reserve, this is totally different to the US National Guard.

Bear Grills was in the SAS, he passed SAS selection, for you to say anything else is totally wrong.
 
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