bear grylls stuff fad or functional?

Interesting thread. Back to the Bear's knives question....they are utter crap, period. I don't dislike him or Gerber, & so I disagree with the people who say that the poor reviews are attributed to personal feelings. My oldest boy got a couple of his knives, & it they were laughably bad, in every way. IMO, knives like that shouldn't exist...esp. with all of the superior options out there, both production & my preference, the great custom makers that sell in the Fixed Blade Exchange. The materials, color choices, & overall design executions are so inferior, they just have no place in any knife market....I wish those knives didn't suck, but they simply do, & I'm really not convinced that's opinion at all - am I wrong there?
 
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NG VI said:
Haven't we all been young, broke, and inexperienced?
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If you refer to da' Bear, son of horseman, yachtsman, and member of Parliament Sir William Michael John Grylls, Bear was 41 when he last drank urine on TV (August, 2015); he was born wealthy; and he claims vast experience before he was 21.
 
VanDammet said:
Interesting thread. Back to the Bear's knives question....they are utter crap, period. I don't dislike him or Gerber, & so I disagree with the people who say that the poor reviews are attributed to personal feelings. My oldest boy got a couple of his knives, & it they were laughably bad, in every way. IMO, knives like that shouldn't exist...esp. with all of the superior options out there, both production & my preference, the great custom makers that sell in the Fixed Blade Exchange. The materials, color choices, & overall design executions are so inferior, they just have no place in any knife market....I wish those knives didn't suck, but they simply do, & I'm really not convinced that's opinion at all - am I wrong there?
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So what was wrong with them specifically and what maker here is selling customs that match them in price and intent?
 
marcinek said:
Interesting. Actually you kinda did say it should depend on size, and you say it again in this post. And that's fine, since its exactly what I'm asking your opinion on.

So, if the Bayley at $2000 US is crazy, what do think of an even smaller Loveless drop point in the same steel, going for 3000-10000?

That should make even less sense, correct?
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I have to apologise for my English,but I will try one more time:

1.) generally, 1 pound of 5160 steel cost half of the price of 2 pounds of 5160 steel

2.) generally,1 plain blade cost less than 1 engraved blade of same size and steel

3.) generally, there will be significant difference in price of following two knives: one that would be handmade by me (20 inch Bowie) and the one that would be handmade by Hibben (5 inch folder). I may get 20 bucks if I am lucky, Hibben may get 2,5k on his bad day.

Common sense

P.S.(I never claim anywhere to be expert,if you call me beginner that's fine with me,because beginners are asking questions.I am asking questions and hope experts will answer them....however,this is not always the case)

Hope this will help
 
Cobalt said:
I am guessing he is a newbie in the knife world and is learning. Sometimes, they try to say more than they should :) I have no idea how he will respond to your question. But I get the point you are trying to make with him, lol. As my wife says, Bigger is not always better. My guess is he will google Loveless before he answers. Probably should google Dozier as well.
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Your guess is absolutely correct, relating me to newbie. I consider myself that way in comparison to many others with far greater knowledge.In comparison to many I am learner and to many others I can give advice..... just an ordinary average "Joe"

I will not need to google Bob Loveless (at least, not for now on), not only because his blades are completely out of my budget and reach,but they somehow never got my real attention.Every now and than some knives just got my attention and when this happens, I usually ask a lot of questions about them and along-doing own research and shaping own picture about them.

Now,back to Gerber's Bear Grylls
 
Seriousbladeno1 said:
Your guess is absolutely correct, relating me to newbie. I consider myself that way in comparison to many others with far greater knowledge.In comparison to many I am learner and to many others I can give advice..... just an ordinary average "Joe"

I will not need to google Bob Loveless (at least, not for now on), not only because his blades are completely out of my budget and reach,but they somehow never got my real attention.Every now and than some knives just got my attention and when this happens, I usually ask a lot of questions about them and along-doing own research and shaping own picture about them.

Now,back to Gerber's Bear Grylls
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We were all new here so that was no slam on you. Just pointing out to marcinek, that in his double edged question he is expecting to much of an answer.

To bad that Gerber is so poorly thought of. There was a time when they put out some decent blades. I think they still have some decent ones.
 
Robert "Bob" Loveless

""Why would anyone pay $3,000 for a hunting knife? They say, because my name is on it. I'm carrying an awfully big rep. If I were a gunfighter, I'd be hiding in a cave somewhere. But I wouldn't spend that much money for a knife if it were autographed by Jesus Christ himself!"

Founding member of the Knife Makers' Guild.

Cutlery Hall of Fame 1985

No one in the modern history of knives has had quite the impact of Blade Magazine Cutlery Hall-Of-Fame© member Bob Loveless.
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Blade Magazine

You can say that this knifemaker's grinding is better than Bob's, or that that one's polishing is better. But overall, he makes the best handmade knife in the modern world. When you hold a Loveless, you know that it's something very, very special.
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A.G. Russell
 
Mrbladedude said:
Becker knives. Can get the BK2 for around 50 - 60 dollars.
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Is that a custom? Maybe the other poster was just exaggerating but I read his post as that you could have a custom knife out of the exchange for the price of a Gerber.

The BG knives are just regular models re-badges aren't they?
 
Seriousbladeno1 said:
3.) generally, there will be significant difference in price of following two knives: one that would be handmade by me (20 inch Bowie) and the one that would be handmade by Hibben (5 inch folder). I may get 20 bucks if I am lucky, Hibben may get 2,5k on his bad day.

Common sense

P.S.(I never claim anywhere to be expert,if you call me beginner that's fine with me,because beginners are asking questions.I am asking questions and hope experts will answer them....however,this is not always the case)

Hope this will help
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Then why your shock about the Bayley? That's what I still don't get.

Are you unaware of the fame and demand that knife had garnered?
 
Sidebar: We should also nail down what model of BG knife we're talking about so we can make a dollars to dollars comparison.
 
Okay so we could say:

You can get an excellent production knife for roughly 2x the price of the average BG knike. So save up a bit longer for something better and don't feel bad; Bear's a millionaire anyways.
 
Seriousbladeno1 said:
I was only surprised about the price of that little bushcraft knife, that's all....

Prices of knives are virtually unlimited, and depends strongly on many factors and same knife have different value to different people...

Even if 2K would be my daily "pocket" change, I wouldn't pay it for small bushcraft knife like that,regardless of maker.I could posibbly see this price appropriate for very large fixed custom blade,made out of very expensive high end steel and that a lot of detailed and very demanding work has been done to make it....this knife, just doesn't justify (to me anyhow) its price...
Surelly there are those, who disagree and would pay for it anyday...not me.Having to pay that much, it would have to be basic (no historical or name value) Tamahagane Japanese Samurai sword, than no problem, anytime :)
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Marcinek:For me (not for you, neither necessary for anyone else)

That 2k bushcraft knife is just pure waste of money. Maybe it would help,if we start accepting other people's point of view, that differs from ours....

Quoting my own previous post.
 
Seriousbladeno1 said:
Marcinek:For me (not for you, neither necessary for anyone else)

That 2k bushcraft knife is just pure waste of money. Maybe it would help,if we start accepting other people's point of view, that differs from ours....

Quoting my own previous post.
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So would you say the same about a $5000 Loveless drop point or a $1600 Hibben Alamo Bowie? Or is the Hibben a pure waste of money when a Randall Smithsonian runs $700 and a CS Natchez runs $200?
 
marcinek said:
Then why your shock about the Bayley? That's what I still don't get.

Are you unaware of the fame and demand that knife had garnered?
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Some of us are old enough to remember: beer can craze; pet rocks; Beanie Babies. Price has to do with what's in people's heads, not some notional intrinsic value. Scagels have gone down 50% over the last few years. Never thought I'd see that, but there it is.
 
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