bear grylls stuff fad or functional?

marcinek said:
Ah, price should be commensurate with size. Interesting.
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I didn't say price should depend on size of blade.There are small folding knifes or variety of small blades, that display tremendous amount of meticulous detailed work on it,costing even couple of K's

However, talking similar sort of blades that differs in size,than of course yes.Larger blade require more work,during its construction-(stock removal or forging),polishing,sharpening,engraving etc....And generally I think, larger blades cost more especially within production knives,but usually within custom jobs too.Lot of exceptions however exists....

Nothing new,but since you asked, I replied.
Sorry,for drifting away from topic Bear
 
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He is not a knife maker. I prefer to get my products from people who are a little more involved in what they are putting their name to.
 
OK, time to drag this one out again and have a laugh at my expense. Feel free to point at me and laugh in my face, ala Nelson. Maybe this will help put it in perspective.

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Seriousbladeno1 said:
I didn't say price should depend on size of blade.There are small folding knifes or variety of small blades, that display tremendous amount of meticulous detailed work on it,costing even couple of K's

However, talking similar sort of blades that differs in size,than of course yes.Larger blade require more work,during its construction-(stock removal or forging),polishing,sharpening,engraving etc....And generally I think, larger blades cost more especially within production knives,but usually within custom jobs too.Lot of exceptions however exists....
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Interesting. Actually you kinda did say it should depend on size, and you say it again in this post. And that's fine, since its exactly what I'm asking your opinion on.

So, if the Bayley at $2000 US is crazy, what do think of an even smaller Loveless drop point in the same steel, going for 3000-10000?

That should make even less sense, correct?
 
Loveless is an icon in the knife world and one of the most influential custom knife makers of the 20th century.
 
Cobalt said:
Loveless is an icon in the knife world and one of the most influential custom knife makers of the 20th century.
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Indeed. So my question is, is he 2 to 5 times more influential than Bayley?

I'm curious about Seriousblades take...he seems to have a theory. I don't, but would love to have one.
 
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marcinek said:
Interesting. Actually you kinda did say it should depend on size, and you say it again in this post. And that's fine, since its exactly what I'm asking your opinion on.

So, if the Bayley at $2000 US is crazy, what do think of an even smaller Loveless drop point in the same steel, going for 3000-10000?

That should make even less sense, correct?
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First he says it. Then denies it but in the same post he says it again? :confused:
 
craytab said:
First he says it. Then denies it but in the same post he says it again? :confused:
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What I find most interesting is that he has "divested" a knife's cost from the influence or fame of the maker and tied it strictly to size or intracacy. (The Bayley was overpriced because it is a "little bushcraft knife")

It's a unique opinion, and I would love to hear more about it :thumbup:

Particularly coming from a fan of Hibben knives. I wonder if he wfeels their cost is justified only for larger models.
 
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Reprofiling this piece of crap. Even with shaving a hair from your leg this blade gets dull as hell.

Still, it is a good beater to use on sea. Dont mind anyway if this thing gets lost in the drink.
 
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I mean a Hibben Alamo Bowie in 440C is $1550. While, say a similarly sized CS Natchez Bowie in O1 is about 200 bucks.

What justifies the 7 fold plus price? Just curious!
 
marcinek said:
What I find most interesting is that he has "divested" a knife's cost from the influence or fame of the maker and tied it strictly to size or intracacy. (The Bayley was overpriced because it is a "little bushcraft knife")

It's a unique opinion, and I would love to hear more about it :thumbup:

Particularly coming from a fan of Hibben knives. I wonder if he wfeels their cost is justified only for larger models.
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I am guessing he is a newbie in the knife world and is learning. Sometimes, they try to say more than they should :) I have no idea how he will respond to your question. But I get the point you are trying to make with him, lol. As my wife says, Bigger is not always better. My guess is he will google Loveless before he answers. Probably should google Dozier as well.
 
Cobalt said:
I am guessing he is a newbie in the knife world and is learning. Sometimes, they try to say more than they should :) I have no idea how he will respond to your question. But I get the point you are trying to make with him, lol. As my wife says, Bigger is not always better. My guess is he will google Loveless before he answers. Probably should google Dozier as well.
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Well, 1) we are all always learning; 2) I am not touching that "As my wife says" line :D; and 3) I certainly hope he does Google Loveless or had Googled Bayley. Those names command a price. Whether one would pay the price or not....it is still reality, and seems naive to think it isn't.

But maybe I'm missing something, and price should be based solely on size or intracacy...Scagel knows I've been wrong before!
 
marcinek said:
Well, 1) we are all always learning; 2) I am not touching that "As my wife says" line :D; and 3) I certainly hope he does Google Loveless or had Googled Bayley. Those names command a price. Whether one would pay the price or not....it is still reality, and seems naive to think it isn't.

But maybe I'm missing something, and price should be based solely on size or intracacy...Scagel knows I've been wrong before!
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I once sent Kit Carson a piece of Stellite 6k that was 14" long 2.5" wide and 0.25" thick for him to make me a U2 out of. 4 months later, I talked to him and he stated that he was still starring at that piece of 6k because he knew it was going to be so much work to grind. He had ground dozens of 6k small blades, but never such a monster chunk and he knew the labor involved was going to be painful. So yes, cost should be higher with a bigger knife as there is more labor involved. Labor is the major component in a knife. The more art work and the larger the knife, the more it should cost. Common sense.
 
Cobalt said:
....yes, cost should be higher with a bigger knife as there is more labor involved. Labor is the major component in a knife. The more art work and the larger the knife, the more it should cost. Common sense.
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To an extent: absolutely when involving hard to grind alloys, (something like stellite being among the extreme), even a seasoned knife maker will need to put forth more effot and time to grind, not to mention the equipment wear and tear (higher grade belts and such), will all factor into a much higher price (in addition to the additional higher cost of said premium raw materials).

But, if a seasoned knife maker is working with a standard stock of Steel, say 420hc, 4116, 440c (or a Chinese equivelant), those materials are quite easier to grind, and much easier on the equipment, so the "additional cost" in labor and materials used should be minimal at best... How much longer does it take to grind a 3.5" piece of basic stainless vs. a 6" piece on a 2" belt? Or machine them en masse on a large production scale? and how much more will it really wear the belt(s) and machinery down, as opposed to the same sizes in m390, s110v, or stellite?

I agree that larger knives should cost more, but in the cases of very basic steels, that additional cost should not be too much of a difference like one would expect on premium steels (and cobalts).

The artwork too, if hand done painstakingly, would certainly demand a much higher price, if programmed and cnc'd, again, that markup could be minimal, especially on softer materials.
 
Agreed. Without a doubt, and I think for the most part, prices reflect this across the industry.
 
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