Beckerhead firearms

1066vik said:
gunshow yesterday - prices are slightly better than they were a year ago, especially if you want a used sigpro (they were everywhere)
saw a couple full sized canik and tristar pistols in 40, but none in 9 and no compacts.
LOTS of sig 229 used in the $550-600 range.
sat a Remlin cowboy 1895 straight stock, 26" barrel for $775 - which was extremely tempting, except it's a remlin and my brakes went out on the way home Friday, so I have no idea jist how broke I'm going to be until tomorrow after the mechanic has a chance to look at them.
My hope is one of the fittings wasn't snugged down as tight as it should have been when they replaced both front rotors & calipers a month ago, so all they need to do is say "oops, sorry - fixed it and no chanrge".
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Dam mechanics, you need to keep a close eye on them.
 
Went shooting yesterday at my favorite shooting spot, in the woods. No snow or ice to speak of on the way there but once we got up the road the ice began to show its face. Drove around just fine on top of it up hill and all. So we pulled off a little a shot some rifles. I'm wanting to get my gf comfortable with shooting more than a .22 mag.

We had some fun for about an hour, and finished up with some tannerite. Packed up and got in the truck only ritzy have some snow pull me into a ditch. We were stuck for about half an hour until some good samaritans came by and helped us out. Regardless of getting stuck it was a fun time shooting.

I picked up an AR500 target plate for the trip and I was putting 556 rounds right through it. Anyone else have problems with them like this? I was probably 30 yards away.
 
NixKustoms said:
I picked up an AR500 target plate for the trip and I was putting 556 rounds right through it. Anyone else have problems with them like this? I was probably 30 yards away.
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I was thinking of getting one at the local steel supplier, but this kind of gives me some pause. Just curious, but what did you pay for it Nick?
 
daizee said:
Shooting at a critter beyond 50yd even with a .22 would be silly.
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.22 air or .22LR? i can hit quarters pretty well at 100ds with a Savage .22LR target rifle.

for air, i'd not want something that could travel well past 100yds, because thems my property lines, give or take.
 
NixKustoms said:
Went shooting yesterday at my favorite shooting spot, in the woods. No snow or ice to speak of on the way there but once we got up the road the ice began to show its face. Drove around just fine on top of it up hill and all. So we pulled off a little a shot some rifles. I'm wanting to get my gf comfortable with shooting more than a .22 mag.

We had some fun for about an hour, and finished up with some tannerite. Packed up and got in the truck only ritzy have some snow pull me into a ditch. We were stuck for about half an hour until some good samaritans came by and helped us out. Regardless of getting stuck it was a fun time shooting.

I picked up an AR500 target plate for the trip and I was putting 556 rounds right through it. Anyone else have problems with them like this? I was probably 30 yards away.
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If you had 5.56 ammo with the steel penetrator in it, it could punch through at that range. I think it's the green tip stuff that has it. If you want to check your ammo, put a magnet to the tail and see if it sticks.
 
tradewater said:
I was thinking of getting one at the local steel supplier, but this kind of gives me some pause. Just curious, but what did you pay for it Nick?
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I got this one at a local shop for something like $20. I thought that AR500 was good quality. I have another cheaper/smaller one I got from that South American river store fire like $9. That one took some lead and hardly dimpled.

Bill Siegle said:
If you had 5.56 ammo with the steel penetrator in it, it could punch through at that range. I think it's the green tip stuff that has it. If you want to check your ammo, put a magnet to the tail and see if it sticks.
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It's just regular 556. I don't take my green tipped stuff range shooting.
 
Bladite said:
.22 air or .22LR? i can hit quarters pretty well at 100ds with a Savage .22LR target rifle.

for air, i'd not want something that could travel well past 100yds, because thems my property lines, give or take.
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Oh, .22 air for sure. 5.5mm. ;)
I bet they'll go 100yd, but they're slowing down quite a bit and dropping fast. I meant to take my Diana .22 to the rifle range this weekend to try it at distance for giggles, but ran out of room.

Nick, does AR500 require heat-treatment? Does it come that way?
 
NixKustoms said:
I wouldn't think so... Why would they sell it like that. I would imagine that people take them directly to the range.
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I dunno, but all my blade steel comes soft, and it's the only way I'd buy it! :)
Do they cut it for you, or is it pre-made into targets?
 
NixKustoms said:
I picked up an AR500 target plate for the trip and I was putting 556 rounds right through it. Anyone else have problems with them like this? I was probably 30 yards away.
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Well for starters you want to make sure that your plate is rated for 5.56 and that it's rated to be shot that close. Most rifle targets recommend minimum 50-100 yards.

Had a buddy one time that bought a cheap steel target and shot it with an AR15, bullets zipped right through. He was confused because the box said it was rated for .22 and under and .223 is 22 caliber. I pointed out that it said it was rated for .22 rimfire. :D
 
Mild steel gets punched through by rifle ammo, I have my doubts whether you have AR500 or not. It's usually expen$ive.
I was quoted several hundred bucks for a 3/8" piece, 1 foot by 4 feet.
 
AR500 can come in both heat treated and non-heat treated flavors. I have a friend who makes AR500 targets for a local (for Texas - about 60 miles out) rifle range. He had to get the non-heat treated stuff initially and then get it treated until he got access to a waterjet.
 
daizee said:
I dunno, but all my blade steel comes soft, and it's the only way I'd buy it! :)
Do they cut it for you, or is it pre-made into targets?
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I get my blade steel soft too. Sucks otherwise.

Pre-made targets. They had a good selection of them. I thought that 1/4" would be fine.

bigghoss said:
Well for starters you want to make sure that your plate is rated for 5.56 and that it's rated to be shot that close. Most rifle targets recommend minimum 50-100 yards.

Had a buddy one time that bought a cheap steel target and shot it with an AR15, bullets zipped right through. He was confused because the box said it was rated for .22 and under and .223 is 22 caliber. I pointed out that it said it was rated for .22 rimfire. :D
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They didn't say what they were rated for. The store owners didn't seem all the bright anyway. I guess it would have been my fault for not asking what it was rated for.
 
redmech said:
Dam mechanics, you need to keep a close eye on them.
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heh.
the final verdict was "somehow you got some grit in a fitting and it broke the seal so you lost a little fluid every time you hit the brakes"
they did not admit to any chance of error on their part, but they did flush out the lines, reconnect everything, bleed, and test before calling me to pick it up free of charge with a hearty "sometimes these things happen"

since this is the same shop that fit me into a heavily overbooked schedule a month ago AND the owner loaned me his "fishing truck" (loaded, '02-ish suburban yukon) at the time while they did the work since he needed to keep my truck overnight, I'm not going to give them any grief over it.
I got good customer service both times, even if the repeat trip was likely caused by carelessness on their part. Also, if I had been paying better attention, I would have taken it in or called them before the master cylinder went dead empty, so part of the emergency was my fault, too.
 
5.56 (esp. M855) will still put dents in HT'd ar500. Place I worked we had beautiful steel, until a visiting unit hammered a bunch of them with SAWs. Started spitting 9 ball back at up after that.
 
J W Bensinger said:
5.56 (esp. M855) will still put dents in HT'd ar500. Place I worked we had beautiful steel, until a visiting unit hammered a bunch of them with SAWs. Started spitting 9 ball back at up after that.
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that's almost poetic warg after a bit of parsing
 
J W Bensinger said:
5.56 (esp. M855) will still put dents in HT'd ar500. Place I worked we had beautiful steel, until a visiting unit hammered a bunch of them with SAWs. Started spitting 9 ball back at up after that.
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That's part of why my friend keeps getting business from the range - even the HT stuff dies if you hit the same area all the time.

The range also has full auto .50 on long range targets. They use .5" ar500 for those, and those targets wear out, as well.
 
Found this online.:

"AR500 Armor® Level III Body Armor Recall (Plates Shipped between February 23rd 2016 and March 23rd 2016)

AR500 Armor® is voluntarily recalling and replacing, at no cost to our customers, Level III body armor that was shipped between February 23rd 2016 and March 23rd 2016 with a manufacture date of February 2016 or March 2016. Only this armor is being recalled. The body armor can fail to meet Level III standards, increasing the risk of a bullet penetrating the armor causing injury or death. Customers with potentially affected level III products should immediately stop use of the product until you hear more from us. AR500 Armor® has identified almost all of the customers who were shipped the recalled plates and will be shipping replacement plates to all of those customers today. Upon receipt of your replacement plates, it is very important that you return the old plates to AR500 Armor® following the instructions on the box. It is illegal to sell recalled products.

This recall and replacement is necessary because a supplier of some certified ballistic grade steel failed to disclose to AR500 Armor that some of its steel failed certain ballistic tests until after the body armor had been distributed.AR500 Armor® has been working with the Consumer Product Safety Commission since March 26th, 2016 to approve and initiate this recall..."

Leftovers???

Has anyone with the means and equipment tried to HT some 1080 (or 1095!?!) to 50HRC and see how that stands up? Might be cheaper than dedicated armor plate, even if you have to go a step thicker.
Regardless, nobody will let me blast their silhouettes with my 7RM 160 partitions...
 
I'd go with 1080 over 1095. Maybe even 1045-1075. I don't think abrasion resistance is what you need here, you want toughness and fine grain. Probably.
 
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