Benchmade 808 Loco Axis Lock

jkarp_53 said:
There is only one version of S30V, and there are two types of 154. CPM154 is the same powder metallurgy type as S30V, where 154CM is molded into billets. While there are some that could tell the difference, the main one is in how CPM154 takes and holds an edge longer due to its finer grain. Hope this makes sense.
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ok, so in 154 there is a diffidence as you say.
(or as i thought there is in all of them)
but why some blades marked/stamped CPM next to S30v & some don't
if there's no diffidence, and are they mark CPM as reference to the
S30v manufacture (CPM) & not the CPM processes which is the particle metallurgy itself ?:rolleyes:
 
Makers can choose to put 'Whatever' on their blades. There are many variations in the steel world; so yes, there are two versions in this case. CPMD2, CPM154 also come in 154CM and D2, it's just how they're made, or what process is involved. I don't think Benchmade has ever used CPMS30V as marked on their blades, just S30V.

I would worry less about what the steel is and focus on the maker. When it comes to production, there is an established list of steels used for consistency. But the real point is, and I've said it for years...in the real world it's hard to tell which steel cuts better than another. Edge retention is another thing entirely.

Axis springs might break, blades may be off-center, but the quality of blades offered by this, our favorite company for knives, keeps me coming back for more. And there isn't one steel type that I haven't tried that didn't satisfy the craving.
 
Panta said:
umm.. aren't they made differently ?

i understand that it's the same steel formula, but it's made in a different way.
as S30V & CM154 both have CPM noting in some blades and in other they don't.

i understood that the CPM noted blades was made with powder metallurgy
and others in older way, not the powder form.

scratching my head :confused:
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For some steels like 154CM and D2, there are ingot versions and CPM versions (CPM154 and CPM-D2), but s30v was developed from the start as a powder metallurgy steel. S30V and CPM-S30V are just different names for the exact same thing.

EDIT: well, it looks like jkarp answered it before I did.
 
Absolutely love the design of this knife. This could easily divert some of my money that's been finding its way into Spyderco and ZT's pockets lately. I'll be very interested to see if we will be treated to a premium steel offering in the not too distant future. :thumbup:
 



Field adjustable?

It is now.
With the new scales on, the pivot screw stands slightly proud.
That in combination with the decorative design of the pivot/screw; allows me to make field adjustments to the pivot with no tools necessary.
It's like a tri-winged, wing nut.
This effect is much less evident with the factory scales or my LSCF scales.
Yet, none the less, it is very true.
The pivot is totally field adjustable with no tools necessary.
When I discovered it this morning it was like the Reese's commercial; "hey you got peanut butter in my chocolate, hey you got chocolate in my peanut butter".
I don't know if BM designed the pivot to be used in such a way (field adjustable).
Because it really doesn't work with the factory scales, because of the counter-bore it sits in.
However, take the counter-bore away and it works like a dream.
Just loosen or tighten with one thumb by pressing down on the screw head using the meat of your thumb to turn.
A tighter snug is wanted?
Index two of the three high points on the pivot screw with your two thumbs tips and just turn.
Just like you were tightening the hatch on a submarine.
This is absolutely perfect.....total serendipity.
Go figure?!
 
loonybin said:
You. Are. Not. Helping!

Would you mind getting some comparison pics between the Loco and the Rift?
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The loco is a good bit wider in hand and pocket. It's also noticeably heavier. I'm not a big fan of the handle; I wish it was a standard straight handle. It's got me thinking about an Adamas though.
 
bluemetalchurch said:
The loco is a good bit wider in hand and pocket. It's also noticeably heavier. I'm not a big fan of the handle; I wish it was a standard straight handle. It's got me thinking about an Adamas though.
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I really enjoy my Adamas. Well worth it.
 
loonybin said:
I really enjoy my Adamas. Well worth it.
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Cheers! Do you carry yours in pocket or do you use the sheath? If the loco had a straight handle I would for sure carry it. That's personal preference though (I also prefer a thumbstud). I could never get down with the Onslaught series either but I think they look fantastic.
 
I received my Loco last night. Very impressive knife. It's the only folding knife I've seen so far that strength wise is on par with the Adamas. The only knife I can compare it to really. The massive thick blade is something. I had to go back and check the specks because I didn't remember the Adamas blade being so thick butt they are the same (.160). I was skeptical of the ovalish hole. Haven't really liked it on other models I've tried but it's large enough that it works well for me for blade deployment.

Speaking of blade deployment, mine is very smooth with rock solid lock up. As an aside the F&F is excellent. Blade is also dead center.

Overall I have to say I really like this knife. Feels great in hand, at least for me. Love the reverse tanto design and the broad range of utility it offers, like a beefed up Rift which is also one of my favorites. Very impressive on many levels.

Still taking it all in but first impressions are a big thumbs up!

Loco & Adamas specks for comparison:

You can see they match up very well. The Loco is lighter and the handle G10 not as thick but slightly longer.

Loco
Blade Length: 3.68"
Blade Thickness: 0.160"
Handle Thickness: 0.670"
Blade Material: CPM-S30V Premium Steel
Blade Hardness: 58-60HRC
Blade Style: Reverse Tanto
Weight: 6.56oz.
Pocket Clip: Tip-Up, Black, Reversible
Lock Mechanism: AXIS
Overall Length: 8.62"
Closed Length: 4.94"

Adamas
Blade Length: 3.82"
Blade Thickness: 0.160"
Handle Thickness: 0.730"
Blade Material: D2 Tool Steel
Blade Hardness: 60-62HRC
Blade Style: Drop-Point w/ Ambidextrous Thumb-Studs
Weight: 7.70oz.
Pocket Clip: Tip-Up, Reversible, Deep-Carry
Lock Mechanism: AXIS
Overall Length: 8.70"
Closed Length: 4.88"
 
Great comparison pic's!

I don't have a Rift anymore and wanted to see it side by side with the Loco.

Thanks for posting!
 
pbcg said:
I received my Loco last night. Very impressive knife. It's the only folding knife I've seen so far that strength wise is on par with the Adamas. The only knife I can compare it to really. The massive thick blade is something. I had to go back and check the specks because I didn't remember the Adamas blade being so thick butt they are the same (.160). I was skeptical of the ovalish hole. Haven't really liked it on other models I've tried but it's large enough that it works well for me for blade deployment.

Speaking of blade deployment, mine is very smooth with rock solid lock up. As an aside the F&F is excellent. Blade is also dead center.

Overall I have to say I really like this knife. Feels great in hand, at least for me. Love the reverse tanto design and the broad range of utility it offers, like a beefed up Rift which is also one of my favorites. Very impressive on many levels.

Still taking it all in but first impressions are a big thumbs up!

Loco & Adamas specks for comparison:

You can see they match up very well. The Loco is lighter and the handle G10 not as thick but slightly longer.

Loco
Blade Length: 3.68"
Blade Thickness: 0.160"
Handle Thickness: 0.670"
Blade Material: CPM-S30V Premium Steel
Blade Hardness: 58-60HRC
Blade Style: Reverse Tanto
Weight: 6.56oz.
Pocket Clip: Tip-Up, Black, Reversible
Lock Mechanism: AXIS
Overall Length: 8.62"
Closed Length: 4.94"

Adamas
Blade Length: 3.82"
Blade Thickness: 0.160"
Handle Thickness: 0.730"
Blade Material: D2 Tool Steel
Blade Hardness: 60-62HRC
Blade Style: Drop-Point w/ Ambidextrous Thumb-Studs
Weight: 7.70oz.
Pocket Clip: Tip-Up, Reversible, Deep-Carry
Lock Mechanism: AXIS
Overall Length: 8.70"
Closed Length: 4.88"
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I agree with your observations. I think it is an excellent knife. The handle isn't for me but man it's a stout folder.
 
bluemetalchurch said:
Cheers! Do you carry yours in pocket or do you use the sheath? If the loco had a straight handle I would for sure carry it. That's personal preference though (I also prefer a thumbstud). I could never get down with the Onslaught series either but I think they look fantastic.
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Pocket carry with the clip. I have too many things on my belt with pistol, cell phone, and emergency pager to try and add a knife.

nosuchagency said:
not the best, but here you go, lb...



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Holy cow the Rift looks like a mini-Grip next to that thing! I think if I were to get a Loco, it would be to replace my Adamas, and I'm not sure the handle will feel that good. I have somewhat wide hands, but shorter fingers. The Rift is perfect for my hand, and the Adamas is also very comfortable. The curve just looks like it will hit my hand wrong. Not only that, but it looks like it takes up as much pocket space as a Spyderco. I had a Manix 2 for a very short while and didn't like how much space it took up. That's part of why I prefer thumb studs. The blade profile can be lower.
 
I ordered one up last week as kind of an impulse buy before finding my way here. It's the first folding knife I've bought in about 15 years. I really like the design, and the ergo's work just about perfect for me. I had intended to replace my 705 McHenry Williams with this one as an EDC knife, and thought something a little bigger might be nice. It is obviously much larger than the 705. I am still trying to decide if I want to carry one this large, put it with my camping gear, or let it go in exchange for something smaller like the 707. It might just be than I am used to carrying smaller knives though, and this one will be just fine.

Overall though, it is a sweet stout knife in my limited opinion.
 
I've got Loco since few hours. What a comfortable handle grip! I'm impressed. This is one of most comfortable knife I ever had. Like it so much :thumbup:
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Norvox said:
I've got Loco since few hours. What a comfortable handle grip! I'm impressed. This is one of most comfortable knife I ever had. Like it so much :thumbup:
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When I first saw the prototype/stock pictures I thought :barf: After seeing pictures of the actual knife, I REALLY like it... :cool:

It's an odd combination of classy, cool, and stout looking. I don't see knives very often that have all three of those qualities. IMHO the design of the knife, and the use of the oval hole, give the knife a look that I would have expected to see years ago from Benchmade. Very cool...
 
338375 said:
When I first saw the prototype/stock pictures I thought :barf: After seeing pictures of the actual knife, I REALLY like it... :cool:

It's an odd combination of classy, cool, and stout looking. I don't see knives very often that have all three of those qualities. IMHO the design of the knife, and the use of the oval hole, give the knife a look that I would have expected to see years ago from Benchmade. Very cool...
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Very true! I agree with you 100% :thumbup:
 
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