Benchmade Discussion without Politics or Insults

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I couldn't possibly care any less that the Portlandia cops had some guns cut up and really don't care if Benchmade was enlisted to do the dirty deed. As far as to what side of the bread Benchmade has buttered (politically speaking) it means even less to me. What they do on their own is not mine nor anyone else's business.

If I didn't already have enough knives, I'd run out and buy a brand spankin' new Benchmade.
 
As far as I'm aware, the Oregon knife laws are so lax because of case law that happened in the 80s, State vs Delgado I believe, among other cases, where the court found knife bans go against the Oregon constitution, not because of Benchmade grease money.

I know the case. I also know that our governor (Brown) is hellbent on severely restricting our 2A rights, and the longer she's in office, the closer it's going to get to knives. In 2016 she made it a felony to carry a knife like the Contego into a public building like a school, college campus, etc. I'm absolutely positive that won't be the last thing she pushes through on knives, so if Benchmade is handing money to someone that can make a difference, I'm for it.
 
Despite what some folks seem to think, these are not the same thing. I have loved knives since I was a wee lad but I am not a big 2A person. I am sure I am not alone in being a liberal knife enthusiast.
There are a lot of Liberal knife owners. Unfortunately, that also goes hand in hand with restrictive knife laws in very Liberal states. CT has reasonable knife laws, but when I go to NYC or MA, I have to be very careful with what I carry.

Even in CT, it's laughable that I can carry a gun with my pistol permit, but not an automatic knife or balisong.
 
OCPD Cpt. Davis said "Oregon City Police do not auction off or sell guns." “...If we did sell a gun legally and it..was used in a violent crime or a murder or something like...we would have to answer to the public to say you had this gun and you had an opportunity to get rid of this gun and now look what it did.”

That's only because it is the Chief of Police's policy.
What he isn't saying is Oregon State law allows him to sell them.
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/166.279
 
I have less of a problem with destroying the guns at the request of the PD. The political donations however, well those bother me more. Combine the two and it makes Benchmade appear to support left leaning anti gun policies.

I'm not going to destroy my 3 Benchmade knives, but probably won't buy any new ones either.

Benchmade will of course survive, just as Levi Strauss has without my support.
 
On the scale of "companies who I will try to avoid due to their actions" Benchmade is very, very small fry. My understanding is that they worked to help support overturning the folder import ban in Australia, and my understanding is that they have helped companies in Canada and are continuing to do so with its current situation. Not all of these are things I need every detail on, and I have to have some trust.
I will continue to support and recommend Benchmade where appropriate.

One of the things I would like to say again: By and large we are all friends here. We have disagreements, and that's fine, that's the nature of a hobby, not all of us need to like the same stuff. However with topics like this that are easily heated, any time you make an argument against "those kind of people" or "you people" or "those people" you are alienating friends that would support you. Any argument that equates an identifier or group with a policy means that the conversation with that group is no longer valid, it tells that person who identifies with that group that they will not be heard. That tribalism just weakens the group as a whole, and means that you get more of an echo chamber. This is a factor of our world now. We as a community decide if we are willing to be thoughtful and listen, or if we are going to pass judgment before having all the information. We are both part of the problem, and part of the solution. I understand that a lot of people have passion for the subject and it would seem to many like I'm preaching from on high with no skin in the game. But dudes, I do. I can't talk guns without the US coming up in conversation. No talk in Canada or Australia happens without comparisons happening to the US. So what I'm saying, the more level headed the conversation is internationally, the more people get their house in order no matter where they live, and have real solutions that are based on reality, the better it gets for all of us. The more we turn friends into enemies, the fewer friends we have, the math is that simple.

If this is your line in the sand, then that's fine, I probably can't convince you otherwise. But please don't take my position as opposition to yours. I don't know what the right answer is, I do know that some of the reasoning I've heard for a boycott is based on incomplete info, and political meme-ery. I'm not here to score points, because my team isn't even playing anymore. If you felt like you scored points, I want to ask, was it worth it? Was dividing the community farther worth it?
 
Is Benchmade trying to get a contract to saw up all the guns taken from the dead hands of law abiding oregon citizens via red flag law?
 
Okay so no politics or insults, but just gonna say that i'm a member of a number of the largest gun and outdoors forums on the net, and the reaction in those places has been deafening, threads everywhere about this and WOW is everybody pissed, haven't seen them this mad since they figured out Hillary was probably not gonna go to prison. And gun guys got LONG memories about this stuff. I don't see how Benchmade even has a chance of staying in business, they just alienated probably 95% of their customer base, this may be the most suicidal company move i've ever seen. Businesses should just really stay out of politics and focus on taking care of their customers. I'll never buy a Benchmade again and am wondering what to do with the ones I have as they are now de-valued almost completely and really I don't want to sell them to anyone who would buy them anyway. Hopefully this will be a lesson for other companies, politics and religion are very personal, and don't belong on the jobsite, every blue-collar guy knows this.
 
I don’t own any Benchmade knives, but they made a big mistake that won’t be forgotten. Had the OCPD not posted photos of the firearms being cut up on it’s FB page, few would have known about it. The OCPD was showing off and it may have cost Benchmade thousands of customers. Of course that led to further digging finding the donations to anti-gun politicians by the CEO of Benchmade.

People have probably forgotten that Dan Cooper of Cooper Firearms was driven out of Cooper for his donations to anti-gun presidential candidates.

Gun owners have long memories.
 
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On another note, is anyone else surprised that none of the other companies have tried to capitalize on this outside of some Instagram jokes? When Yeti crapped the bed, their competitors were offering tons of sales and special deals. I haven't seen anything like that.
 
Yeah, well, I’d think that US companies probably don’t want to encourage the whole “I see you gave money to a politician(s) I disagreed with so I’m going to now make it my life’s goal to try to ruin your company” thing maybe?
 
The gun crowd has extremely long memories
And they are serious about their money.

Smith and Wesson was purchased in 1987 by London based Tompkins LLC for $112 million.
Then they entered an insane agreement with the Clinton administration in March of 2000 to implement gun locks, restrictions to authorized dealers and consumers, make smart guns, etc.
Gun owners got pissed.
The boycott launched by dealers and owners saw people selling off so many SW firearms on the used market, that the company's stock dropped by December 2000 to just 19 cents a share and tanked pricing on new guns.
They fired the CEO

It decimated SW so bad that they sold it off for a mere $15 mill to Safe T Hammer in May of 2001.

Some gun owners still refuse do business with them.

Benchmade pulled a Tompkin.
 
It really is in poor taste that Benchmade would decide to destroy firearms, even given the fact that they were helping the PD get rid of illegal guns. Especially for a company that relies on a customer base that is very pro 2A. I personally don't care about illegal guns being destroyed because I know that manufacturers are pumping out new guns everyday. The destroyed firearms have already been replaced by new ones. But Benchmade really should reconsider their decision to help with these kind of things.
 
It really is in poor taste that Benchmade would decide to destroy firearms, even given the fact that they were helping the PD get rid of illegal guns. Especially for a company that relies on a customer base that is very pro 2A. I personally don't care about illegal guns being destroyed because I know that manufacturers are pumping out new guns everyday. The destroyed firearms have already been replaced by new ones. But Benchmade really should reconsider their decision to help with these kind of things.

The guns were legal.
They were confiscated.
They could have been sold to a local FFL and the money used to buy equipment for the PD.
Chief of Police decided to have them chopped.
 
It really is in poor taste that Benchmade would decide to destroy firearms, even given the fact that they were helping the PD get rid of illegal guns. Especially for a company that relies on a customer base that is very pro 2A. I personally don't care about illegal guns being destroyed because I know that manufacturers are pumping out new guns everyday. The destroyed firearms have already been replaced by new ones. But Benchmade really should reconsider their decision to help with these kind of things.

When they start destroying guns confiscated under unconstitutional red flag laws, then they have clearly chosen their side in the war against western culture and liberty.
 
They made up their mind and I have made up mine. They won't get a dime from me again. Simple and not political. Will find the ones I have and destroy them to keep them out of other's hands (which could be dangerous, ya know....)
 
and my understanding is that they have helped companies in Canada and are continuing to do so with its current situation. Not all of these are things I need every detail on, and I have to have some trust.
I will continue to support and recommend Benchmade where appropriate.
There's a Lawyer here in Canada who's been trying to raise $100,000 (CAD) to fight the Government on the terrible import ban. Imagine if Benchmade had donated $36,000 USD towards that the difference it would have made? If they have been "helping us Canadians" I certainly haven't heard or seen the benefit of it.

Take it from this Canadian how terrible it is to have your freedom of choice taken from you. There's so many knives I'm in love with, and I would love to purchase them from the US. But I'm not a gambling man and I can't afford to take the risk. Heck I can't even send a knife in for warranty as it's too much of a gamble if I will get it back.

I also wanted to point out to all the guys I've seen trying to be clever in their greed and covetousness by saying stuff like "Hey if you hate Benchmade so much you should sell me your knife for nothing" You are not fooling anyone. If you truly love Benchmade stop being cheap and go out and buy a new knife. Used knife purchases don't support a company in need. They might be a huge company but it's a competitive and saturated market, and it's new sales that keep employee's paid and machines running.
 
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