Besides CPK knives, whaddaya like?

Outside of being stabilized wood, no idea on the actual wood used for the scales. Old age and a general disinterest in the blade over the years has clouded my memory. I deleted the original Ganzaa email from Busse years ago and all the older Ganzaa threads appear to have been purged. Busse Collector does not list this particular model on the site. I'll post a thread on the Busse subforum as I am curious as well...
 
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IMG_0822.JPG I have this PAL 36 RH that I've had since the early 70's. I found it lying in the middle of the road, just after passing some railroad tracks. I can only assume it fell off the bed or bumper of someone's pickup. I advertised in the paper, with no luck. She was in bad shape, the sheath was dry rotted and the knife was what I call bellied out from being sharpened in the sweet spot only.

I propositioned Scott Gossman back around the early 2000's and he reprofiled the blade for me. He also drilled out the pommel, and reglued each piece of the stacked leather. Bill Siegel made the sheath.

This is my version of a fuller. These knives were used back in WWII and I'm fairly certain they did in fact call them blood grooves back then.

If this knife could only talk.IMG_0801.JPG IMG_0805.JPG IMG_0806.JPG
 
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"These knives were used back in WWII and I'm fairly certain they did in fact call them blood grooves back then."

I don't think it ever does much good to mislabel something for what it isn't. Sure, lots of folks over the years have called the fuller a blood groove. But if you check the etymology of the phrase (thanks, Wikipedia!), and the mass of articles written about what a fuller is and what a blood groove isn't, it's often been a learning experience for many. When I knew little about knives, I used the term blood groove, too. Fullers will probably continue to be mischaracterized as blood grooves for a long time because so many people have no understanding of knife construction.

Here's a link to a really good article from AG Russell about what fullers are and why, and what "blood grooves" aren't, and why:

https://agrussell.com/blog/blood-groove
 
Kootaga13 said:
I propositioned Scott Gossman back around the early 2000's and he reprofiled the blade for me. He also drilled out the pommel, and reglued each piece of the stacked leather. Bill Siegel made the sheath.
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Very cool story on the knife, thanks for sharing that. Looks like they did a good job restoring it, too. I found an old Western knife/hatchet combo in the woods when I was younger. The sheath was pretty bad but still in one piece. I've still got it in a tool bag on one of my fourwheelers and use it once in awhile. Makes me want to give it some tlc after looking at the blade you posted above :)

adamlau said:
Outside of being stabilized wood, no idea on the actual wood used for the scales. Old age and a general disinterest in the blade over the years has clouded my memory. I deleted the original Ganzaa email from Busse years ago and all the older Ganzaa threads appear to have been purged. Busse Collector does not list this particular LMS on the site. I'll post a thread on the Busse subforum as I am curious as well...
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Thanks for the link, I'll check over on Busse.
 
betzner said:
"These knives were used back in WWII and I'm fairly certain they did in fact call them blood grooves back then."

I don't think it ever does much good to mislabel something for what it isn't. Sure, lots of folks over the years have called the fuller a blood groove. But if you check the etymology of the phrase (thanks, Wikipedia!), and the mass of articles written about what a fuller is and what a blood groove isn't, it's often been a learning experience for many. When I knew little about knives, I used the term blood groove, too. Fullers will probably continue to be mischaracterized as blood grooves for a long time because so many people have no understanding of knife construction.

Here's a link to a really good article from AG Russell about what fullers are and why, and what "blood grooves" aren't, and why:

https://agrussell.com/blog/blood-groove
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Hey bezner, did I say it was a blood groove? I don't appreciate you correcting me Mr High and all mighty. I said they called it that.
 
I think you misunderstood what he was trying to say because it's hard to differentiate emotion through text.
I'm pretty damn sure that he wasn't being an asshole. I could be wrong though.
 
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Hey bezner, did I say it was a blood groove? I don't appreciate you correcting me Mr High and all mighty. I said they called it that.
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Hey dude, I said nothing negative about anyone, I simply try and educate. Incidentally, I don't appreciate it when someone displays personal animus toward me in an open forum. It's rude and has no upside for either one of us. I suggest you take this to a conversation. Learn some manners beforehand, though.
 
betzner said:
"These knives were used back in WWII and I'm fairly certain they did in fact call them blood grooves back then."

I don't think it ever does much good to mislabel something for what it isn't. Sure, lots of folks over the years have called the fuller a blood groove. But if you check the etymology of the phrase (thanks, Wikipedia!), and the mass of articles written about what a fuller is and what a blood groove isn't, it's often been a learning experience for many. When I knew little about knives, I used the term blood groove, too. Fullers will probably continue to be mischaracterized as blood grooves for a long time because so many people have no understanding of knife construction.

Here's a link to a really good article from AG Russell about what fullers are and why, and what "blood grooves" aren't, and why:

https://agrussell.com/blog/blood-groove
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You said nothing about my knife. Merely, when I knew nothing about knives, I used the term blood groove, too.
 
Standard78 said:
I think you misunderstood what he was trying to say because it's hard to differentiate emotion through text.
I'm pretty damn sure that he wasn't being an asshole. I could be wrong though.
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I re-read all my posts beforehand because I think if anything can be misinterpreted through text, it will be, at least at some point. I'm not referring to this dialogue, just an explanation that I give thought not only to technical content, but to how wording might be interpreted. It's for this reason that I always appreciate the extra set of eyes on issues such as this.

These days, there is more of a collective spirit I see, particularly in any type of online forum, which makes participation more a common element, well exhibited in Nathan's forum as it is pretty much elsewhere.

I think we all have a dog in the hunt, no matter the issues.
 
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You said nothing about my knife. Merely, when I knew nothing about knives, I used the term blood groove, too.
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I say very little about anyone's knives, but try to educate where I can. You have misread and mischaracterized my statements. You've now insulted me. And you don't even know me. That's called getting personal. If you want a battle, I'll gladly give you one in a conversation but I'm not going to go negative in Nathan's forum. Why not just stop right here?
 
I'll stop, but your snooty critism might run some of Nathan's customers away. Be careful. I didn't appreciate it. BTW, I'll say what I want, where I want....you did.
I'm gone.
 
Kootaga, you said this; "I'm fairly certain they did in fact call them blood grooves back then"
You made a pretty absolute statement, but you weren't exactly 'called out' on it. Bob took the opportunity to add something useful, and help correct a common misconception, and I think his approach was respectful enough. Your taking that personally is a little funny and mildly entertaining. Please don't stop
 
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I'll stop, but your snooty critism might run some of Nathan's customers away. Be careful. I didn't appreciate it. BTW, I'll say what I want, where I want....you did.
I'm gone.
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I'll just let my words speak for themselves. I've developed some really nice connections with people here, but sometimes I must put up with someone like you, throwing out the kind of personal attacks that shouldn't exist in this forum. You've sure reached your limit with me. Any reasonable person would see your comments as personal attacks, but I choose to ignore them and consider the source.

But one issue, new to this discussion, has to do with your admonition to "Be careful." No mincing of words here. Was that meant to be a threat?
 
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Kootaga13 said:
Be careful and don't run away Nathan's customers.
Keep it up, I'm riding the fence.
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I am absolutely certain that Nathan has no concern about me running his customers away, so you might want to discard that thought entirely.

You know, the best advice I could ever give you is to really know who you are f*ckin' with before you ever start. And with that, you'll become consigned to "ignore", because I am not going to be the reason this ill-conceived series of personal attacks continues.
 
Koot... Respectfully, Nathan and his business ought to only be judged on the basis of CPK's products plus his and his teams personal conducts. It is unfair to make banal threats referring to potential loss of business or customers based on forum disagreements. To the best of my knowledge, apart from Nathan, Jo, Mark and Lorien who is a collaborator and the designer of many of CPK's current patterns, no one else represents CPK in any official capacity.

It is absolutely your prerogative should you decide to leave based upon a disagreement and some serious misunderstanding, but you will be the one who finally loses out on Nathan's truly superb cutting tools. His production level being in such limited quantities, he will have no challenge finding replacement buyers but you will be forever remembered as the guy who picked up his ball all the while crying on his way home! If you asked me, not worth it to box yourself in as "that guy"!
 
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