Besides CPK knives, whaddaya like?

bluemax_1 said:
For blades specifically meant as fighting knives, it just seems to be an overlooked flaw.

If it’s meant for fighting, stabbing will be involved, and there’s a difference between accidentally cutting yourself with a knife, and slicing your fingers from your hand sliding up onto the blade when/if you’re fighting for your life.
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Maybe? I dunno. Aren’t these based on old Japanese style knives that were actually used for fighting? Maybe the ito wrap is better? Could be an interesting discussion. Don’t want to derail this fun geeky thread tho.
 
mb> said:
Maybe? I dunno. Aren’t these based on old Japanese style knives that were actually used for fighting? Maybe the ito wrap is better? Could be an interesting discussion. Don’t want to derail this fun geeky thread tho.
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I have always liked the design of those knives, even talked to his son (i think) at last years bladeshow
 
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mb> said:
Maybe? I dunno. Aren’t these based on old Japanese style knives that were actually used for fighting? Maybe the ito wrap is better? Could be an interesting discussion. Don’t want to derail this fun geeky thread tho.
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They are based on Japanese knives, and while ito wrap does offer grip, both from the material and the knobbiness, I’d still prefer a guard.

Slice your fingers, and your ability to use that hand, hold the knife are all compromised.
 
bluemax_1 said:
For blades specifically meant as fighting knives, it just seems to be an overlooked flaw.

If it’s meant for fighting, stabbing will be involved, and there’s a difference between accidentally cutting yourself with a knife, and slicing your fingers from your hand sliding up onto the blade when/if you’re fighting for your life.
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I think kwaikens lack guards because they were made for Japanese women to kill themselves by ritualistically slashing their own throats, rather than for fighting
 
Comprehensivist said:
That is a seriously great looking Cormarant Lorien Lorien !!! My favorite blade you have made so far.

I look forward to you getting your mini-mill so that you can offer those as a regular item. I am definitely down for one of those.

Phil
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thank you Phil- much appreciated!

I came up with this type of design for someone *ahem* who has a CNC machine or two...I don't know yet whether a manual mill would actually do all the time consuming operations that would make this design more feasible for me to make. With my current skillset and tools, these little guys are about as time consuming and difficult to make as a folder!
 
mb> said:
One more on guardless knives. Not trying to change your mind on fighting with bloody hands Max, just brought this old video to mind. Gotta love Shawn’s passion! Back when he was a young pup:

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Apples and antelopes.

Those little baby ‘stabs’? He could probably hold the blade, and still be fine.

Just curious, but have you ever studied any style of edged weapon fighting? And more importantly, done any free sparring with those foam rubber knives?

The ones I’ve sparred with were foam rubber (to minimize the risk of injury), and had felt edges, so you could apply red lipstick to the felt edge to easily show where you’d ‘cut’ the opponent.

The two things you quickly learn from those sparring sessions;
1) AVOID knife fights at all costs, if possible. You get to see/experience that old trope, “The loser of a knife fight bleeds out on the street. The winner bleeds out in the ambulance”. With two fast, aggressive opponents, it’s very easy for both to get marked up all over within just a few seconds.

2) a knife fight isn’t going to be some silly dance, like Steven Seagal vs Tommy Lee Jones in the movie Under Siege (yes, I was the only person in the theater laughing out loud during that fight scene, because I found it so hilariously ridiculous). A knife fight between two aggressive combatants, is pretty much like a brutal MMA match, except with something sharp and stabby.

One of the things we got to see IRL, was that a newbie with no real prior training in fighting with a knife, could ‘kill’ an opponent, simply from sheer speed and violence of action, despite the opponent having far more training and (assumedly) skill, especially if the experienced guy was somewhat timid/cautious.

If you wind up HAVING to fight for your life using a knife, there’s no time or place to worry about timidity, and when you try to stab, it won’t be those ‘baby’ stabs in the video.

As mentioned in an earlier post, if you haven’t already seen it, I DON’T recommend looking for the videos of the knife fight between the Ukrainian soldier vs the Yakut-Russian, but if you want to grasp an idea of how brutal a real life knife fight would be, that’s as real as it gets.

There are two videos circulating. The first is from the Ukrainian soldier’s helmet cam. The video is a little over 7 minutes long. I think the knife fight portion was ~5 minutes (they went from rifles and grenades, to hand to hand), and another video of the fight, taken from a drone hovering above.

I’ll repeat; I DON’T recommend watching them, because the videos are absolutely brutal (the Ukrainian who was wearing the helmet cam was killed). I don’t watch these out of some morbid fascination, but to learn something from them.

If someone has the stomach, at the very least, you’ll learn that yes, knife fights CAN still happen. A real knife fight is absolutely brutal. When fighting for their lives, they fought until they were exhausted. Grip weakens. There’s a lot of blood.

Apples and antelopes.

I don’t have too many qualms about using a smooth handled puuko for bushcraft etc., but I would NEVER choose one, if I might have to fight for my life with it.
 
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bluemax_1 said:
Apples and antelopes.

Those little baby ‘stabs’? He could probably hold the blade, and still be fine.

Just curious, but have you ever studied any style of edged weapon fighting? And more importantly, done any free sparring with those foam rubber knives?

The ones I’ve sparred with were foam rubber (to minimize the risk of injury), and had felt edges, so you could apply red lipstick to the felt edge to easily show where you’d ‘cut’ the opponent.

The two things you quickly learn from those sparring sessions;
1) AVOID knife fights at all costs, if possible. You get to see/experience that old trope, “The loser of a knife fight bleeds out on the street. The winner bleeds out in the ambulance”. With two fast, aggressive opponents, it’s very easy for both to get marked up all over within just a few seconds.

2) a knife fight isn’t going to be some silly dance, like Steven Seagal vs Tommy Lee Jones in the movie Under Siege (yes, I was the only person in the theater laughing out loud during that fight scene, because I found it so hilariously ridiculous). A knife fight between two aggressive combatants, is pretty much like a brutal MMA match, except with something sharp and stabby.

One of the things we got to see IRL, was that a newbie with no real prior training in fighting with a knife, could ‘kill’ an opponent, simply from sheer speed and violence of action, despite the opponent having far more training and (assumedly) skill, especially if the experienced guy was somewhat timid/cautious.

If you wind up HAVING to fight for your life using a knife, there’s no time or place to worry about timidity, and when you try to stab, it won’t be those ‘baby’ stabs in the video.

As mentioned in an earlier post, if you haven’t already seen it, I DON’T recommend looking for the videos of the knife fight between the Ukrainian soldier vs the Yakut-Russian, but if you want to grasp an idea of how brutal a real life knife fight would be, that’s as real as it gets.

There are two videos circulating. The first is from the Ukrainian soldier’s helmet cam. The video is a little over 7 minutes long. I think the knife fight portion was ~5 minutes (they went from rifles and grenades, to hand to hand), and another video of the fight, taken from a drone hovering above.

I’ll repeat; I DON’T recommend watching them, because the videos are absolutely brutal (the Ukrainian who was wearing the helmet cam was killed). I don’t watch these out of some morbid fascination, but to learn something from them.

If someone has the stomach, at the very least, you’ll learn that yes, knife fights CAN still happen. A real knife fight is absolutely brutal. When fighting for their lives, they fought until they were exhausted. Grip weakens. There’s a lot of blood.

Apples and antelopes.

I don’t have too many qualms about using a smooth handled puuko for bushcraft etc., but I would NEVER choose one, if I might have to fight for my life with it.
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That video was rough watch..
 
mb> said:
Someone post a knife pic to get us back on track here before Blues tags us with red lipstick!
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I got you, my man.

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