BEWARE 91xlt

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As some may know i recently had a deal with Jeff,91xlt.After a few weeks the SOD he purchased from had not been delivered.As it turns out for some reason US customs is holding the knife.I dont know why and according to Jeff no one will talk to him about.I have said all along that i will try to help through my Post office.They tell me that as Customs are holding the package and it hasn't been released to USPS Jeff needs to contact the Customs department and find out why.In the conditions of sale on the for sale thread i clearly state that once the package leaves my hand the buyer owns it and i accept no responsibility for it,and i will do what i can to track/trace the item,as do many others on the forum here.Buy posting intent to buy,and then by purchasing the knife Jeff agreed to these conditions.It now seems however that Jeff has decided to just ignore the conditions he agreed to and has opened a paypal dispute against me because he has not received the item.BE VERY WARY when dealing with Jeff,it seems he either cannot read very well or just decides to ignore conditions of sale as suits him.Whatever the case he is a real piece work and should be avoided.
 
Wow, sorry to hear that. It's stuff like this that makes me nervous whenever I ship to an unfamiliar person internationally.

So far I've had good luck with Australia and Canada. Where is your buyer?
 
STEELWHORE said:
As some may know i recently had a deal with Jeff,91xlt.After a few weeks the SOD he purchased from had not been delivered.As it turns out for some reason US customs is holding the knife.I dont know why and according to Jeff no one will talk to him about.I have said all along that i will try to help through my Post office.They tell me that as Customs are holding the package and it hasn't been released to USPS Jeff needs to contact the Customs department and find out why.In the conditions of sale on the for sale thread i clearly state that once the package leaves my hand the buyer owns it and i accept no responsibility for it,and i will do what i can to track/trace the item,as do many others on the forum here.Buy posting intent to buy,and then by purchasing the knife Jeff agreed to these conditions.It now seems however that Jeff has decided to just ignore the conditions he agreed to and has opened a paypal dispute against me because he has not received the item.BE VERY WARY when dealing with Jeff,it seems he either cannot read very well or just decides to ignore conditions of sale as suits him.Whatever the case he is a real piece work and should be avoided.
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I was getting ready to ask why this warranted a thread to beware of him for not receiving the knife he'd purchased -- until I got to the part about the PayPal dispute, in which case I think you're justified in pointing this out. Can you escalate the dispute to a claim from your end by providing the shipping information to PayPal, thus verifying that you shipped?
 
Sharp Phil said:
I was getting ready to ask why this warranted a thread to beware of him for not receiving the knife he'd purchased -- until I got to the part about the PayPal dispute, in which case I think you're justified in pointing this out. Can you escalate the dispute to a claim from your end by providing the shipping information to PayPal, thus verifying that you shipped?
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I would recommend what Phil said :thumbup:

It's similar to selling on evil bay, same owners anyways. I would recommend calling the 1-888 help line and speaking to a representative as they provide a lot more information than what the automated system does. Tell them your side of the story and provide proof of shipment, mention the customs handling, and that should do it :)

Good luck with this, keep us updated, J.
 
i am assuming you have proof of shipment, you should be fine. this is pretty crappy though. it is no fault of yours.
 
I seem to remember a friend of mine that was selling a busse knife on feebay, and a bidder kept bidding, and eventually won the knife, then didn't pay for it. There are rules all over the place that people choose to ignore when they don't want to keep up their side of the deal.
 
At least they give you the option of a second chance offer. I've benefited from those a time or two, when I didn't win but the winner didn't pay.
 
Sharp Phil said:
At least they give you the option of a second chance offer. I've benefited from those a time or two, when I didn't win but the winner didn't pay.
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What sucks about this is that with all the scams and fraud out there, ebayers don't trust the second chance offer thing.

The winning bidder told my buddy that he would buy the knife, but something came up. The bidder bought another knife, and needed the funds for it. Then told my friend he didn't want the knife at all. Some people. :rolleyes:
 
Has 91xlt been informed about this thread? He has been on Bladeforums since it was posted. I wonder what he has as a reason for initiating the Paypal dispute? It would be good to have him make an appearance here to explain why he did what he did.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Has 91xlt been informed about this thread? He has been on Bladeforums since it was posted. I wonder what he has as a reason for initiating the Paypal dispute? It would be good to have him make an appearance here to explain why he did what he did.
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i was just informed of this thread....

now, i am not about to further this pissing war with the steelwhore, but, i will give a little insight into this...from my end.

first off, i am VERY sorry this has gotton SOOOOO far out of control, we both have very good feedback here as well as other sites.

i am sure he is gtg so long as everything goes, just right.

when i received shipping info, i was told 4-10 business days for delivery, and received a tracking # w/ instructions to contact usps if i do not receive in said time. ok, no biggy, i did not realize i had purchased from abroad, nothing in his profile or location says where he is from, but had excellent feedback, so not too concerned. i shy away from foreign deals, just because this exact thing MAY happen., but what's done is done, really was not overly concerned.

then after about 3 weeks, i run the tracking # in usps.com, states pkg is inbound to customs, with a date of 2/9 i beleive. so i pm mr.whore, and ask what he thinks we should do.
reply back was, along the lines of ...we? not we, you, this is your customs, your problem... pretty shitty imo.
so i go to post offfice to ask questions and find out what needs to/ or can be done.
usps tells me even though it's enroute to me, i have not received it and therefore it's not "mine" so shipper needs to contact either customs or his local post service.

i send mr. whore this info, he insists this is no longer his problem, it's mine.
steelwhore puts his little jailhouse lawyer disclaimer in his sale thread, and wants to completey wash his hands of ANYTHING after he ships it.
i repeadedly told steelwhore that no one will speak with me, it's up to the sender...

after getting NO wherefast, i felt the best way to deal with this was to let another decide who/what/where/why and when.

i have most of the pm's copy and pasted/saved to back all of this up, i really just wanted steelwhore to follow up on his sale, but in his head, his disclaimer in his sale thread alliviates ALL his responsablity.

and after time and time again, explaining that i am not blaming him or accusing him of wrong doing, my hands are tied.
i just wanted some assistance.

if i had mailed a pmt, and forwarded him the tracking info, and the pmt had got tied up in customs....would he ship the knife to me? i doubt it, nor would anyone else.
this is the other side of the coin.

like i said, i am not wanting a pissing match, just some funkin' help.
so i would be wary of steelwhore
 
I know I would help the buyer in that situation...
But his terms are the rules
 
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I have been in touch with 91xlt. Now, I cannot speak as to why he's moved forward with a PayPal dispute, but the root of the problem seems to be with U.S. Customs taking an unusually long time to clear his package for delivery. No one knows why this is, AFAIK. An inbound knife to the States shouldn't be a problem, but maybe there is a lot of package traffic waiting to clear through. I sincerely hope that this can be resolved between these two, but again, the problem is outside of either person's control at the moment.

If I may be so bold to suggest it, I would say that it might be a good idea to cancel, or at least put a hold on the dispute through PayPal, since the problem is neither person's fault while the package is held up by Customs.

Does anyone know any phone numbers to U.S. Customs that 91xlt could try calling to get some help locating his package, or at least to obtain some info as to why they still haven't cleared it? This would be a huge help. :thumbup:
 
I have no idea how US Customs work but, here in Oz, if they decide to keep something of yours coming into the country they will, eventually, send you a letter telling you why they are keeping it and what, if anything, you can do about it. I would be surprised if the US Customs didn't do something similar.

As Jaxx says, maybe everyone needs to relax for a bit and see what happens.
 
Another question is, how long does 91xlt have to file a dispute with PayPal? No sense waiting until Customs forgets it's got his package to find out the deadline has passed.

Another point of interest is, when did he realize he was dealing with someone outside the US? I have no problem buying, selling, shipping outside the US. But I like to know before I go into a deal that this is the case.

Unless I already know you, if I see a blank location, no information in the profile, no warning in the sales post -- I don't want to deal with you.
 
Is it being held by US Customs or New Zealand Customs. If it is being held by US Customs then there is nothing that STEELWHORE can do to check into what has happened. It would have to be done by you. You would need to find out where it is being held and then contact that Customs office. USPS should have that information. If you do not get satisfactory answers from whomever you speak to, go as high up in management as you have to get the right answers.

I WILL SHIP TO MOST PLACES, EUROPE WILL BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND I WILL NOT SHIP TO RUSSIA. ONCE THE PACKAGE LEAVES MY HAND YOU OWN IT AND I ACCEPT NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.I WILL DO WHAT I CAN TO HELP TRACK/TRACE THE ITEM BUT WILL IN NO WAY BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT.
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Reading the above which was taken from STEELWHORE's for sale thread, the terms are quite clear. If you aren't willing to accept that once the package leaves his hand that you own it and that he accepts no responsibility for it, you should not have purchased anything from him. It is not right to have made the purchase knowing what the conditions were and then when something goes wrong decide that you are going to disregard those conditions. The above also states that STEELWHORE will do what he can to help track/trace the item, so I hope that he is willing to follow up on that part of his disclaimer.

STEELWHORE, you should put your location in all your for sale threads. You may think that everyone knows where you live, but I can assure you that isn't the case.

91xlt, you say you didn't know that you purchased from abroad, so at no time during this transaction did the fact that the knife was being shipped from New Zealand come up?
 
USPS should have that information.
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Good luck with that. We never had access to that information when I was working.
All we could tell people was that when Customs released it, we would deliver it.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Good luck with that. We never had access to that information when I was working.
All we could tell people was that when Customs released it, we would deliver it.
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Interesting. Canada Post has always been able to tell me what Customs Port my shipment was at.

Edited to add: Things may be different in Canada, because Canada Post acts as a Customs broker for all imported packages. For that reason they would have to know which port the shipment was located at.
 
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1kimo4u said:
i believe it is steelwhore, not whore.
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Thankyou 1kimo4u

Keith Montgomery said:
Is it being held by US Customs or New Zealand Customs. If it is being held by US Customs then there is nothing that STEELWHORE can do to check into what has happened. It would have to be done by you. You would need to find out where it is being held and then contact that Customs office. USPS should have that information. If you do not get satisfactory answers from whomever you speak to, go as high up in management as you have to get the right answers.



Reading the above which was taken from STEELWHORE's for sale thread, the terms are quite clear. If you aren't willing to accept that once the package leaves his hand that you own it and that he accepts no responsibility for it, you should not have purchased anything from him. It is not right to have made the purchase knowing what the conditions were and then when something goes wrong decide that you are going to disregard those conditions. The above also states that STEELWHORE will do what he can to help track/trace the item, so I hope that he is willing to follow up on that part of his disclaimer.

STEELWHORE, you should put your location in all your for sale threads. You may think that everyone knows where you live, but I can assure you that isn't the case.

91xlt, you say you didn't know that you purchased from abroad, so at no time during this transaction did the fact that the knife was being shipped from New Zealand come up?
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The knife is being held by US customs and has been since the 9th of February.I have contacted my post office twice so far and talked to two different people who tell me the same thing,which i have relayed to 91xlt.Until the knife is released to USPS they cannot track the item.If it is being held by US customs it is the buyers responsibility to contact them to find out what the problem is.All 91xlt has to do is get off his arse and start contacting customs about it,JFC he has had plenty of time to.It is not a prohibited item,it was labeled with the correct shipping info,it was described as a small camp knife,just like the other 60 odd packages i have sent to the US.There is no reason for them to hold it.
The disclaimer in the for sale thread did not magically appear after the knife was purchased,it was there all along.91xlt read the for sale thread,posted his intent to buy and followed through with the purchase.My thread,my rules,if you dont like them DONT BUY.
In my last pm to 91xlt i said i would contact the post office AGAIN on Monday when they open to see if they can help.I reminded him of the conditions of sale and told him if the post office tell me they cant help then that will be the end of the matter.10 minutes later paypal email me telling me 91xlt has started a dispute for non delivery of item,knowing full well customs have his package and have had for over three weeks now.
Although my for sale thread doesn't say the knife is in New Zealand, sending paypal to a New Zealand email address should have been a clue,checking out my feedback would have made it quite clear as would have asking me,just like one of the other buyers did.
 
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