BEWARE 91xlt

what a mess, dealing with customs is one reason i tend to avoid doing out of the country deals & when i do i also give a warning that other than doing what i can from my end if there is problems its the buyers problem ultimately not m ine, if they dont like that then they can look elsewhere.

FWIW i wonder why US customs is holding the thing? what kind of knife is an SOD? its not an auto right? if its not an auto why would they hold it?
 
US Customs may be having a problem identifying the country of origin if there are no markings on the knife, thus contributing to the delay. Not sure if this knife is sterile or not? Was the original purchase receipt sent along with the knife? There may just be a high influx of inbounds that customs is having to deal with also.

If you could find out what US entry port shipments from NZ clear from, then you could contact that US Customs office for assistance.

Hope this clears itself soon for everyones sake.
 
Paypal is 45 days to file a claim (pretty sure). I bought a Busse AK from Buckman-10 (!!!awsome seller!!!) from Canada (I'm in the U.S.). It was about a month before I received it. Customs had it, USPS had no info about it and I got it about 30 minutes after I was told they had no info.

91xlt, when you bought it you agreed to the terms, let it go. I do hope you get the knife.
 
Everything should turn out just fine. Customs will have to tell you something. I cant imagine them just keeping it....for what purpose? Everyone knows customs has the package, so technically, its not lost. THey will have to account for the package. Surely


I have received 7-8 packages from Steelwhore without incident. Some of them where worth a couple thousand each. I really wouldn't worry.
 
what a mess, dealing with customs is one reason i tend to avoid doing out of the country deals & when i do i also give a warning that other than doing what i can from my end if there is problems its the buyers problem ultimately not m ine, if they dont like that then they can look elsewhere.

FWIW i wonder why US customs is holding the thing? what kind of knife is an SOD? its not an auto right? if its not an auto why would they hold it?


The SOD is from Scrapyard knives,Son of Dogfather,and very ,very nice :)
Here is the original for sale thread.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=618339

It was shipped within two days of the other two.Two went to the US and one to Poland.All were packaged identically.
The other two SOD's were received within the 4-10 working day delivery time frame.

US Customs may be having a problem identifying the country of origin if there are no markings on the knife, thus contributing to the delay. Not sure if this knife is sterile or not? Was the original purchase receipt sent along with the knife? There may just be a high influx of inbounds that customs is having to deal with also.

If you could find out what US entry port shipments from NZ clear from, then you could contact that US Customs office for assistance.

Hope this clears itself soon for everyones sake.

Package was clearly marked,country of origin is machine printed in bold type on the shipping document.Shipping details have been verified as correct by the buyer.
The SOD was made in the US,no reason at all for customs to be holding it.



Everything should turn out just fine. Customs will have to tell you something. I cant imagine them just keeping it....for what purpose? Everyone knows customs has the package, so technically, its not lost. THey will have to account for the package. Surely


I have received 7-8 packages from Steelwhore without incident. Some of them where worth a couple thousand each. I really wouldn't worry.

And your next should be there any day now :D





As soon as the post office is open on Monday i will have an investigation started as to what is going on.I will request the package be returned to me at my expense(an option i already had already requested in case of non delivery) and 91xlt will be issued a full refund once the knife is back in my possession.I enquired about starting an investigation when i last spoke to the Post Office and was told it may take several weeks to complete the process.It may be quicker to have the package returned,i shall find out tomorrow.
 
Ok,update.

Have rang post office and have again been told it is the buyers responsibility to deal with the Customs of his country.But as 91xlt is incompetent of doing this i have had the post office start an investigation.They are treating the it as a missing item.Paperwork is being sent to both parties to complete,lets hope 91xlt is capable of doing that.This process may take several weeks.
I have requested the package be returned to me at my expense,the post office said that may or may not be possible depending on what the investigation finds,but they will do what they can to facilitate that.If it is returned to me 91xlt will be given a full refund once i receive it.


Investigation Case number #C10410049
 
I have dealt with Steelwhore and it was a smooth as could be! I would deal again without any worries!
 
seems that a few of the newer hogs aren't following established etiquitte when it comes to buy/selling. i've had people post "i'll take it" then back out, screwing up my thread. low ball offers, chatting, etc... never used to happen before (in my short time here). pre-emptive bad feedback (even when no deals take place):confused:, multiple gbu threads. not to mention a few melt downs.:eek:

i don't think this sort of behavior is what "NO REGRETS!" was supposed to exemplify.

steelwhore, i hope everything works out alright.

cheers! kimo
 
seems that a few of the newer hogs aren't following established etiquitte when it comes to buy/selling. i've had people post "i'll take it" then back out, screwing up my thread. low ball offers, chatting, etc... never used to happen before (in my short time here). pre-emptive bad feedback (even when no deals take place):confused:, multiple gbu threads. not to mention a few melt downs.:eek:

i don't think this sort of behavior is what "NO REGRETS!" was supposed to exemplify.

steelwhore, i hope everything works out alright.

cheers! kimo



I know what you mean,dont get me started on low ball offers! I have a pm box full of them.
I too hope this all works out.Best case scenario,91xlt gets his package after sitting on his a$$ doing nothing,and i am out of pocket 30 minutes worth of toll calls to paypal(toll free number didn't work)and several hand fulls of hair.I also still have a paypal account with frozen funds,which so far has cost me one deal.
2nd best case scenario,package is returned to me,91xlt gets full refund,i am out of pocket 2 x shipping and 30 minutes of toll calls to paypal.
I have done all i can,it is now in the hands of the NZ Post Office and paypal.91xlt has tried to tarnish my reputation here but hopefully at the end of all this people will see him for the honor less phucktard that he is.
 
i think i bought a knife from 91xlt & had no issues. if customs is the glitch,i dont think 91xlt can be blamed,he has no control over what they do.he might not deserve this much flack from one bad transaction.
 
i think i bought a knife from 91xlt & had no issues. if customs is the glitch,i dont think 91xlt can be blamed,he has no control over what they do.he might not deserve this much flack from one bad transaction.

And you think SteelWhore does:rolleyes: ok, that's on you. For me SteelWhore explained his case beyond reproach and is still NO REGRETS!:thumbup: At least from this Hog...1PorkerTracker
 
i think i bought a knife from 91xlt & had no issues. if customs is the glitch,i dont think 91xlt can be blamed,he has no control over what they do.he might not deserve this much flack from one bad transaction.


91xlt shouldntn get any flack as he didnt even know he was buying a knife from out of the USA! And the USPS and Customs wont do anything. Its the shippers that they will deal with. The company I represent imports from 1 to 1000 items at a time and this is always the case.

Im absolutely new here, but after reading this thread I think you boys got some things back wards around here! "after it leaves my hands its not my responsiblity" What? Come on gentleman lets get real! That will not stand up in any court in the land. And yes I am a lawyer and of course I do know the law as this is what I deal with on a daily basis. Import/Export and believe me, Im a busy guy since 9/11. If you purchase from ANY company that does business thru the mail, they are responsible for the items you bought and paid for until it has been proven you have received the merchandise.

Someone that is outside of the USA, no matter how well he is liked, should ALWAYS declare this when doing business with a US citizen! It is ridiculous not be very explicit about the fact that you are outside of the USA. Also, ANY of you chiming in that the buyer is wrong for wanting his item or his money would feel the exact same way if that shoe were on your foot! You can deny it all you want but you would be after your refund if you did not get your knife. As it should be as well!

In dealing with Paypal, they will always back the buyer as it is their rule that it is not a complete transaction until the buyer has item/s in their possesion. Hence the rule that states you must use trackable method of shipping, with DELIVERY CONFIRMATION in order to be covered as shipper/seller. It MUST be proven that item has been delivered/received. When using Paypal for these transactions Paypal automatically covers the buyer and holds the seller/shipper to this higher standard, regardless of any attempt by the shipper/seller to alleviate the responsibility of delivery. When you accept Paypal as your payment method, you accept their rules and guidelines on the whole. I think you will find that they will refund the buyer his money in full regardless of confirmation that the item was just shipped. MUST be delivered per their guide lines. This might not be popular, but it is the way it is.

Credit card companies will also reverse any transaction that goes the way of the above situation as well. No delivery or confirmation of delivery, no payment. Buyer must receive what they paid for. Sorry guys but its the law of this land and Im just a tad bit sure that it is the law of most lands around the modern world.

Good luck to both parties involved, but popularity has nothing to do with right or wrong regardless of trying to schuck common responsibility. That is why we have laws that protect our consumers in this country. Its also a common sense law. You pay for a product and you dont receive product, you get more product sent back out to you or you get your money back.
Reverse the situation and the feelings would be the same.

Im getting ready to buy some knives from this site and now I will need to be very sure of who Im dealing with and where they are located in the world!
 
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Welcome to Bladeforums. :)

Keep in mind that IT LOOKS like the shipment is being held at Customs. This is not non-delivery -- yet. And it is outside the ability of either buyer or seller to affect this.

It also sounds like the buyer has frozen the seller's PayPal account by filing a dispute before it was necessary. Put him "out of business" for a while. Not good.
 
91xlt shouldntn get any flack as he didnt even know he was buying a knife from out of the USA! And the USPS and Customs wont do anything. Its the shippers that they will deal with. The company I represent imports from 1 to 1000 items at a time and this is always the case.
Im absolutely new here, but after reading this thread I think you boys got some things back wards around here! "after it leaves my hands its not my responsiblity" What? Come on gentleman lets get real! That will not stand up in any court in the land. And yes I am a lawyer and of course I do know the law as this is what I deal with on a daily basis. Import/Export and believe me, Im a busy guy since 9/11. If you purchase from ANY company that does business thru the mail, they are responsible for the items you bought and paid for until it has been proven you have received the merchandise.
Im getting ready to buy some knives from this site and now I will need to be very sure of who Im dealing with and where they are located in the world!

An interesting first post on BladeForums. You have chosen to jump into the middle of a dispute between two well known members.
Even those of us who have been here awhile are reluctant to do so yet you arrive, form judgements and pass comment without ever having purchased anything on this forum.
You state it is important to know where buyers and sellers are located yet you have chosen to keep your location hidden. You can hardly hold others to a standard you are unwilling to meet.
 
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91xlt shouldntn get any flack as he didnt even know he was buying a knife from out of the USA! And the USPS and Customs wont do anything. Its the shippers that they will deal with. The company I represent imports from 1 to 1000 items at a time and this is always the case.

Im absolutely new here, but after reading this thread I think you boys got some things back wards around here! "after it leaves my hands its not my responsiblity" What? Come on gentleman lets get real! That will not stand up in any court in the land. And yes I am a lawyer and of course I do know the law as this is what I deal with on a daily basis. Import/Export and believe me, Im a busy guy since 9/11. If you purchase from ANY company that does business thru the mail, they are responsible for the items you bought and paid for until it has been proven you have received the merchandise.

Someone that is outside of the USA, no matter how well he is liked, should ALWAYS declare this when doing business with a US citizen! It is ridiculous not be very explicit about the fact that you are outside of the USA. Also, ANY of you chiming in that the buyer is wrong for wanting his item or his money would feel the exact same way if that shoe were on your foot! You can deny it all you want but you would be after your refund if you did not get your knife. As it should be as well!

In dealing with Paypal, they will always back the buyer as it is their rule that it is not a complete transaction until the buyer has item/s in their possesion. Hence the rule that states you must use trackable method of shipping, with DELIVERY CONFIRMATION in order to be covered as shipper/seller. It MUST be proven that item has been delivered/received. When using Paypal for these transactions Paypal automatically covers the buyer and holds the seller/shipper to this higher standard, regardless of any attempt by the shipper/seller to alleviate the responsibility of delivery. When you accept Paypal as your payment method, you accept their rules and guidelines on the whole. I think you will find that they will refund the buyer his money in full regardless of confirmation that the item was just shipped. MUST be delivered per their guide lines. This might not be popular, but it is the way it is.

Credit card companies will also reverse any transaction that goes the way of the above situation as well. No delivery or confirmation of delivery, no payment. Buyer must receive what they paid for. Sorry guys but its the law of this land and Im just a tad bit sure that it is the law of most lands around the modern world.

Good luck to both parties involved, but popularity has nothing to do with right or wrong regardless of trying to schuck common responsibility. That is why we have laws that protect our consumers in this country. Its also a common sense law. You pay for a product and you dont receive product, you get more product sent back out to you or you get your money back.
Reverse the situation and the feelings would be the same.

Im getting ready to buy some knives from this site and now I will need to be very sure of who Im dealing with and where they are located in the world!

Well, I think everyone that uses paypal might want to have there own talk with paypal. I was pointed to chapter 7 and 11 or was it 13?:D

anyway, what I got from a really nice lady was that the above scenarios you spoke of are absolutely true when you use paypal's auction site. THe responsibility is on the seller to prove delivery and receipt of said item by the buyer, but it was not the case if the item was purchased on a forums etc with different terms.

Also, since the buyer in this case is not in the US, I am not sure how you would hold him to US laws either.



That is why they have more than one option to select for your reason for sending money. Please notice that there are 3 other choices than their auction site as a reason.


Im no lawyer but I would suggest that if folks have concerns that they should contact paypal direct.
 
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91xlt shouldntn get any flack as he didnt even know he was buying a knife from out of the USA! And the USPS and Customs wont do anything. Its the shippers that they will deal with. The company I represent imports from 1 to 1000 items at a time and this is always the case.

Im absolutely new here, but after reading this thread I think you boys got some things back wards around here! "after it leaves my hands its not my responsiblity" What? Come on gentleman lets get real! That will not stand up in any court in the land. And yes I am a lawyer and of course I do know the law as this is what I deal with on a daily basis. Import/Export and believe me, Im a busy guy since 9/11. If you purchase from ANY company that does business thru the mail, they are responsible for the items you bought and paid for until it has been proven you have received the merchandise.

Someone that is outside of the USA, no matter how well he is liked, should ALWAYS declare this when doing business with a US citizen! It is ridiculous not be very explicit about the fact that you are outside of the USA. Also, ANY of you chiming in that the buyer is wrong for wanting his item or his money would feel the exact same way if that shoe were on your foot! You can deny it all you want but you would be after your refund if you did not get your knife. As it should be as well!

In dealing with Paypal, they will always back the buyer as it is their rule that it is not a complete transaction until the buyer has item/s in their possesion. Hence the rule that states you must use trackable method of shipping, with DELIVERY CONFIRMATION in order to be covered as shipper/seller. It MUST be proven that item has been delivered/received. When using Paypal for these transactions Paypal automatically covers the buyer and holds the seller/shipper to this higher standard, regardless of any attempt by the shipper/seller to alleviate the responsibility of delivery. When you accept Paypal as your payment method, you accept their rules and guidelines on the whole. I think you will find that they will refund the buyer his money in full regardless of confirmation that the item was just shipped. MUST be delivered per their guide lines. This might not be popular, but it is the way it is.

Credit card companies will also reverse any transaction that goes the way of the above situation as well. No delivery or confirmation of delivery, no payment. Buyer must receive what they paid for. Sorry guys but its the law of this land and Im just a tad bit sure that it is the law of most lands around the modern world.

Good luck to both parties involved, but popularity has nothing to do with right or wrong regardless of trying to schuck common responsibility. That is why we have laws that protect our consumers in this country. Its also a common sense law. You pay for a product and you dont receive product, you get more product sent back out to you or you get your money back.
Reverse the situation and the feelings would be the same.

Im getting ready to buy some knives from this site and now I will need to be very sure of who Im dealing with and where they are located in the world!

Didn't they teach grammar, spelling, or punctuation where you went to law school? A real lawyer, huh? :rolleyes:

Yes, I'm questioning the veracity of his claim to be an attorney, and thus the validity of the legal information presented.
 
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

:)

Another reason for NOT quoting the entire text of a contentious post.
Besides that it just takes up a lot of space and no one rereads it:
sharpdesires is the returned troll knockemoutdasky.

Banned again!
 
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.:)
Another reason for NOT quoting the entire text of a contentious post.
sharpdesires is the returned troll knockemoutdasky.
Banned again!

Apologies Esav I am justly rebuked and he is justly BANNED:o
 
...snip

Im absolutely new here, but after reading this thread I think you boys got some things back wards around here! "after it leaves my hands its not my responsiblity" What? Come on gentleman lets get real! That will not stand up in any court in the land. And yes I am a lawyer and of course I do know the law as this is what I deal with on a daily basis. Import/Export and believe me, Im a busy guy since 9/11. If you purchase from ANY company that does business thru the mail, they are responsible for the items you bought and paid for until it has been proven you have received the merchandise...

Attorney at FAIL. :thumbdn:

This post smells of practicing law without a license... Or in your case, also without a law degree. I surely do hope that an actual lawyer gets angry enough to report this posted crap, should it & you be in violation of the laws pertaining to such actions to the ABA & State Bar Associations of both your state (Oregon, most likely) and the state that BF.com's servers are in... Kentucky, I believe.

To those who don't know this troll... This returning troll is kcrqr (in addition to MANY other banned accounts under several IP addresses), the troll who posted the threads full of rage in the Busse forum, the WTB forum, and the W&SS forum about two+ weeks ago ranting about me specifically, as well as other Busse customers... Please do not trust his advice written here without first checking the validity of any statement through your own attorney, PayPal, the USPS, and/or your credit card company!!! Seriously, don't be led astray by this character. He is not to be trusted.

Sorry to derail this thread, now back to the matter at hand.
Thank you,
Jaxx
 
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