BEWARE of Jeffrey J. McClain- aka "LandRover"!

Do you guys use soap before you pack each others **** or do you like it dry? Because what I am hearing here is alot of the So called " Respected Senior Members" doing the Buddy Blow me support line up. This should be a lesson to all New people signing up on this Forums. If you Don't give the above mentioned Formites "Mostly Gold" anything or everything they want no matter what the Deal was. They will seek you out and ruin You!!! Or better yet, Call your House at two in the Morning and Threaten you and Hang Up, Thats happen before already.So I will leave it at this, Call Me SOB whatever, I gave Nagano the Option of resolving this three weeks ago. I am not Bending over for this and taking it like some of you others might. Take your Forums and F... yourself.
 
Masterchef....before Taipan it was Selous, I think, back in 2000. Same cock and bull about an outfitters business too.
 
...that just simply wasn't very nice.

So, now you've come in here and 'proven' yourself to be an ass...making Nakano's story just that much more believable...

Agreed, you offered to take the items back, and he declined. The issue should have died right then and there.

I'm sure he wants the items though, that's why he's keeping them. I also believe he's feeling redress is in order based on the condition of the items delivered.

Unfortunately for him, you've made it an 'all or nothing' proposition, all the while keeping with the original terms of the sale. That's life, bummer for him.

It seems that the only problem here was your description of the items, that's the point Nakano is trying to make...Get it?

And no, you don't need to kiss anyone's ass here, you just need to be an honorable person.

If you're not an honorable person, you're not welcome here.

You're proving yourself to be less than honorable with each post, and your 'F*ck the world' attitude isn't helping much either.

What a shame, what a shame... :(

D.B.C.

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Just read Kin's last post...man, F! this Jeff guy, whatta dick!
 
A heads up folks;

The moderators are following this thread very closely.

Land Rover:

I would ask that you dispense with the language and attitude, and stick to the task at hand, which is a peaceful resolution to this matter.
Both you and Nakano need to come to an agreement that both of you are happy with.

Please do so without predjudice.

Thank you.
 
Please do not use "foul language" here at BladeForums, and try to be civil to eachother. If any of you feel an over-whelming need to be mean or cuss eachother out, please do so via email.
 
Now I remember this guy when somebody posted this info:
"Selous", hunterjeff99@aol.com

A while ago, between 1-2 years ago, I was selling a couple of knives of fairly high value($300-500) because I was unusually strapped for cash because of my kid's $16,000 tuition, and this guy emails me can I hold one of the knives for a few days, he wants it. A week goes by and I email him and after 3 days get a reply he needs a few more days. To make a long story short, after over 3 weeks he says to me: well, you seem to be in a hurry so I'm gonna pass on the knife.:eek:
Now, he didnt rob me(except of my time), but he did jerk me around and show his character. It's no wonder he's on his 3rd (or more) screen name.

Listen, whatever your name is, nobody here is defending Kin just because he's been here awhile. Those posting have dealt with the man, some of us know him in person, and his character is proven to us.

Kin, do yourself a big favor brother, mail back his coats, make sure you send it so he has to sign for them, get your knife back, and write off the shipping costs. It's worth it just to be done with it.

In the morning I'll be somewhere that really drives home how trivial all this crap is. I'll be at the ceremony at WTC Ground Zero that signifies the recovery effort is done and the rebuilding phase is beginning. They're going to ring the bell at 10:29AM, the time the second tower fell, and I believe they'll be carrying out an empty flag draped coffin in honor of the 2000+ victims that haven't been found. It's going to be an emotional day, and life's too short to waste time on a guy like landrover.
 
Kin does not need defending. He established LONG AGO to be a man of his word. This was never about money. This trade was based upon two Men's word that the items being traded were in the condition as described. Once Landrover shipped his trade in a condition NOT AS DESCRIBED he blew his integrity and credibility.

To engage in a trade and ship your part without inspecting the goods is pure BULLSH*T. You cannot sell swamp-land that way and it sure does not work here.

Then the TROLLISH behavior begins. When one has clearly wronged another member of BF, and the majority says so, the WRONGER engages in childish name-calling, littered with profanity and ALWAYS depicting some unusual sexual behavior. That smells of TROLL.

Landrover, you should have made this right with kin simply because you are WRONG, Now, you have begun to destroy your reputation and credibility here on BF. Keep this up and you will surely be known as just another scamming TROLL.................Ira
 
J. McClain, your stories are just that. Stories- full of half truths, non truths and outright lies.

You never mentioned anywhere at anytime the return shipping- non charge Fed Ex policy in our past correspondence. Due to very heavy work schedule, I requested US Postal as a matter of convenience where I could do a pick up or send someone to pick up package for me at my local P.O. branch if a note of attempted delivery was left at my addy.

In a seperate e- mail, you stated that Barbour retailers will refurb the coat for $25, just as I stated in my above post. Never did you say they would do it free of charge on an annual basis.

Your excuse for the late delivery of my package now makes sense. Or no sense depending on how you look at it. You received my package before I did. I made every effort to have it sent mine out to you on that very same Monday. And did so. You said the Postal clerk told your wife that the package she was to send out for you was not taped up well enough, and therefore the delay. But you confirmed that the package was already sent out! And even forwarded me a confirmation #! How intelligent! :rolleyes: That is how I got the info from their web site that no such package exists at that time! I received it on the following Friday.

I have all the e- mails to support ALL of the above info.

Additionally you post here that you NEVER took the Barbour coat out of the bag since you got them! The bag was opened when I received it by the way. And that they were sitting in your closet since. I' ll ask again, did you or did you not check the coats prior to having them shipped out?!?! And if you did, how could you miss all the problems that I found with them?!?!

Folks, I already stated at the very beginning, prior to all this mess that this was indeed a good deal. But this isn' t about a money issue. I NEVER would have agreed to do this trade had J. McClain informed me about all these problems with the coat(s). But clearly, J. McClain needs to make this right. Although I doubt he ever will at this point. Would any intelligent individual here send back their package(s) to him now???

Nakano
 
Kin,

I have an idea that might help...If you have a digital camera (or access to one), take a couple of photos of the damaged coat, and either post them here, or email them to Mr. McClain so he can SEE what you have been trying to tell him.

I wish you the best of luck with resolving this problem, and if I can be of any help, please feel-free to call on me.:).
 
Kin,In my opinion I feel you should not return the coats at this point.After this persons last post,he doesn't fill me with a great deal of confidence.You may wind up with no coats or knife.Sorry this happended to you.AS for Jeff,I'm sure no one will be sending anything too his name or location regardless of his screen name.In fact you should post the address you shipped the CRK too,so if he has a item shipped in a different name it will be harder to scam people in the future if we have an address too.
 
Originally posted by Nakano 2

Folks, I already stated at the very beginning, prior to all this mess that this was indeed a good deal. But this isn' t about a money issue. I NEVER would have agreed to do this trade had J. McClain informed me about all these problems with the coat(s). But clearly, J. McClain needs to make this right. Although I doubt he ever will at this point. Would any intelligent individual here send back their package(s) to him now???

Nakano
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Well IMO it IS a money issue. If not, how do you want him to make this right? This is from your first post: ..."I suggested for him to reimburse me for cleaning and repair work. Or that he would cover my return shipping expenses ($18.90 according to his shipping box postage) should I choose to return them."....

IMO you should make up your mind whether you want those coats or not. If yes, since you got a good deal (as you say) the cost to have them repaired is not that high. If you do not want them, I would return them after receiving my knife back.

David
 
But hey, you sound like a guy who speaks (with great eloquence, I might add) from experience. LOL!

Your a real class act. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by David1967:
IMO you should make up your mind whether you want those coats or not. If yes, since you got a good deal (as you say) the cost to have them repaired is not that high. If you do not want them, I would return them after receiving my knife back.
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Seems to me that "full disclosure" at the time of the sale is the pertinent issue and not whether it was "a good deal" in spite of the failure of the seller to disclose. Sorry, but that dog just don't hunt. Nakano 2 states pretty clearly that he would not have traded for the items in question if he had been informed of their true condition at the outset. He should be entitled to get what he thought he traded for - period! If the knife he traded off to Land Rover had had problems with it that Nakano had not been up front about, (because he hadn't managed to look it over :rolleyes: ) you can bet that our buddy LR would have been squeeling like a soaped pig. :D Nakano gave LR two options to bring this deal back to square one - pay to put the coats in the condition they were represented as being in when the deal went down or give him back his knife and take the freakin' coats back and pay the rather substantial shipping charges incurred as a result. This problem exits because LR's a shyster a was counting on the "well, golly-gee, it was such a good deal after all" defense to obfuscate (look it up, LR) the real issue at hand. Add "loserbigime@angryyoungman.com" to his list of monikers.
:barf:
 
It sounds to me like there are only a couple of different scenarios that are going to happen here. One is that Kin keeps the coats and pays to have them refurbished and the other is that he sends them back to Jeffrey at his expense and gets his knife back. This seems to be the only options that Jeffrey has given Kin. Whether this is right or wrong, I now think it is up to Kin to decide which of these options he is going to go for (if Jeffrey is still willing to do anything at all, which I highly doubt).

Kin, as much as I feel that Jeffrey purposely misrepresented the coats he sold you, it does not look like he is willing to do anything about it. He feels he is in the right here and that we all have our heads up our collective a$$e$. I think that you are going to have to do whatever it takes to get these coats in the condition you would find acceptable. If you do decide to reverse the deal, and if Jeffrey is still willing to do so, make sure that you get the knife in your hands before you ship him the coats. From the sounds of his tirade, I would not trust him to send the knife no matter what he says.
 
After that last profanity filled e- mail J. McClain sent to me on the 05/21, I had easily concluded that I would not risk sending the coats back to him. A few here have expressed the same sentiments. The reasons are now obvious. His early offer during our first correspondence for the option to have the coats sent back to him "if not satisfied" was nothing more than a pre- emptive- a "just- in- case" or "cover ones own behind" if you will.

Yes, I will keep the coats. And have them cleaned and repaired at my own expense. Cost is by the way, less than the $18.90 for return shipping. And probably not much more than the cost for J. McClain if he were to have the Chris Reeve Sable IV sent back to me!

DAVID1967: are you the same DAVID1967 with a past e- mail address of: tanto@atlas.cz ??? If so, take heed:

"Beware, those who cast stones in a glass house".

Nakano
 
Man I hope I never do anything, even inadvertantly, to wrong you
guys. You have the memory of elephants!
You've convinced me, he will find very few deals in this forum.

Mike
 
I know that Nakano deals fairly. I had a deal a long long time ago, maybe a couple of years. Im not sure if Nakano even remembers it, but im sure it was him. Anyways, I sold him a Spyderco Calypso Jr. I did my usual inspection of the knife so I could let him know its exact condition. When he received it, he emailed me and said the tip was slightly blunted (sharpmaker tip). I knew right off the bat that he was correct. I had noticed the problem before I sent it, and fully intended to let him know, and just plain forgot to include it in the description. I emailed him right away to see how I could make it right, or what he wanted to do....I screwed up, and he had every right to demand a refund (full or partial). I would have gladly done that as it was my mistake. He was polite about it and told me he did not want anything, he was just making me aware of my mistake so that I would be sure that it did not happen again. He handled it in a very good manner. He does not make stuff up....if he says and item has a fault, then chances are it does.

LandRover, the point is you goofed. It happens, things get overlooked. The thing to do though is make it right by whatever means the other party wants within reason, and I beleive his requests were extremely reasonable.

The cost of his knives vs. your coats does not matter one little bit. The fact is, you made a deal and your end was not held up 100 percent. Checking conditions of items is your responsibility, the other party should not have to ask about each and every little thing. You are obviously not going to do what it takes to make it right. Thats not how these forums operate. They operate on trust, and people going the extra mile to earn that trust.

As for your nasty emails to him, and post in this thread....that shows what kind of person you really are....fortunately your type is fairly rare.
 
Originally posted by Paddlefoot64
Man I hope I never do anything, even inadvertantly, to wrong you
guys. You have the memory of elephants!
You've convinced me, he will find very few deals in this forum.

Mike
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Mike, it's just that on the internet, all we have to go on is trust and reputation. Face it, very few of us will ever meet in person yet we constantly mail each other items worth hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars. It's about the only way we have of protecting ourselves and also warning other forumites so they dont get burned. Usually when someone is doing a deal with someone they havent dealt with before, a search here will let them know if there's been problems in the past.
It does get carried away sometimes with alot of people piling on and adding their comments, but that's going to happen on a forum with 11,000 members.
In this particular instance, I do have the pleasure of knowing Nakano in person and I know what kind of guy he is, straight shooter.
 
Thanks Kin! I know now to stay away from vermin like LandRover. Just shows what character he really has. A deal is not a deal unless both parties are satisfied. I have had many dealings with Nakano and will continue to do so based on his character. As an organization that I am involved in has used as a motto, "Character counts!"
 
Thanks Lifter,
I understand it all and support you guys wholeheartedly.
I too have mailed knives and MO's, so I know exactly what you mean.
I merely meant that I was impressed with the detective work
and memory to connect these user names.
I'm on your side.

Mike
 
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