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Bad Beware of Jeremy Swisher aka j-swish16, jamesjones, & JKnight1. Misrepresented condition of knife - painful transaction and ordeal.
- Thread starter triplem
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Unfortunately, there’s not much you can do when a seller is unethical (as in this case). Swishmeister ain’t been here long, and with his attitude and ethics likely won’t be here much longer. As funny as it would be to watch him circle the bowl I’m just gonna ignore and I suggest you do the same.
If you’re looking not to get burned look for members who have been here a while with lots of positive feedback and that’ll cut down on the possibility.
I also look for people who are active outside the Marketplace area of the forum. I think someone is less likely to rip someone off here if they're engaged in the community aspect of the forum, rather than using it as an eBay alternative.
Funniest part about all of this is he has been active on the forums during the period he couldn't be bothered to send a refund, or reply to the buyer.
2 Posts on Wednesday
7 Posts on Thursday
3 Posts on Friday
2 of all of those posts were For Sale threads that he made. Not sure how it takes less time to do all that posting, including making new for sale threads, but cannot do a couple clicks to do a refund, or bother responding to a buyer. This whole situation smells.
2 Posts on Wednesday
7 Posts on Thursday
3 Posts on Friday
2 of all of those posts were For Sale threads that he made. Not sure how it takes less time to do all that posting, including making new for sale threads, but cannot do a couple clicks to do a refund, or bother responding to a buyer. This whole situation smells.
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Yup. I would absolutely accept that he was distracted by his child's illness, as that's an awful thing to deal with, if he had gone dark on here, but if you have the time and focus to do business that benefits you and your hobby you have the time and focus to make things right.
rustysocket
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As someone who has spent literally weeks in the hospital under some very stressful circumstances over the last six months I can attest that it is easy to pass the time looking at things on internet forums to pass the time and while "appearing to be online" and being engaged enough to actually pay attention can be two very different things. So in that sense I can give the seller some understanding. Where things break down is when you start to read the comments and how they conduct themselves in correcting a bad circumstance.
When a buyer has paid for an item in good faith, they have proved themselves credible. If your financial situation is so tight that you can't provide a 20$ refund that you negotiated through Paypal immediatley, then in my mind you put the damn 20$ in an envelope and mail it off. It's 20$, not a mortgage payment. When you get pissed off about the buyer posting here looking for resolution, that's on you. This nonsense about waiting for a debit card is just nonsense. Technically speaking that 120$, while it may have been in your hands, is not really yours until the buyer has received the knife and agreed that he wishes to keep it, and therefore should have been sitting in your account ready to refund if necessary. Now I realize that's not reality for some people, but it falls in line with the implied rules here on the exchange that the transaction isn't over until the buyer is happy with the transaction.
There are simply too many good people to deal with here, so this is easy for me.... seller is on the ignore list. To be explicitly clear, it's not the fact that he sold a knife that had a few dings. It's the conduct that happened afterword here that earned him that iconic spot.
When a buyer has paid for an item in good faith, they have proved themselves credible. If your financial situation is so tight that you can't provide a 20$ refund that you negotiated through Paypal immediatley, then in my mind you put the damn 20$ in an envelope and mail it off. It's 20$, not a mortgage payment. When you get pissed off about the buyer posting here looking for resolution, that's on you. This nonsense about waiting for a debit card is just nonsense. Technically speaking that 120$, while it may have been in your hands, is not really yours until the buyer has received the knife and agreed that he wishes to keep it, and therefore should have been sitting in your account ready to refund if necessary. Now I realize that's not reality for some people, but it falls in line with the implied rules here on the exchange that the transaction isn't over until the buyer is happy with the transaction.
There are simply too many good people to deal with here, so this is easy for me.... seller is on the ignore list. To be explicitly clear, it's not the fact that he sold a knife that had a few dings. It's the conduct that happened afterword here that earned him that iconic spot.
I have to say. You are 100% right. I made a mistake and forgot about the $20 discount. That’s on my. But the way I handled things afterwards was not acceptable. I let my emotions get the best of me and i let me ego guide me. I would never intentionally sell a knife with a ding on it as new. I just wouldn’t but it looks like that is what happened and I am sorry. I just want to apologize to Neal and the rest of the forum for the way I handled myself afterwards. It wasn’t professional and it probably cost me selling items on this site and that’s on me. The refund has been submitted it’s just pending arrival of the knife. Thanks for everything and again sorry for my actions
Neal my rule is this..........
I only want to do business with Gold or Platinum members with a minimum of 5 years of membership.
They should have at least 20 positive feedback's.
They should be predominately active outside of the sales forums as this shows an investment in the forum and in the hobby.
They should not ask for Paypal F&F or even offer it as an option.
Far too many people are using BF as a targeted trading site. Avoid amateur dealers like the plague!
I'm glad you got sorted out........
Gastonknife
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I find it hard to believe that anyone could sell a knife in that condition and say it's brand new in box. In addition to all the dings it appears to be dirty in several pictures. Now although its not uncommon for some knife manufacturers to send out knives with some flaws, I don't see even boker letting something that banged up get through. Not following through on a refund timely and then stuff about bank card etc etc; that whole thing reeks of nonsense. It is easy to refund in pp which was how he got paid. Then there is the attitude of the seller in the other thread and this one. I won't even get into the hospital excuse because no way to know for sure what is going on there and its better to give benefit of the doubt.
Its nice that the seller has at least acknowledged wrong and apologized. I guess everyone can decide if they want to deal with him in the future.
Its nice that the seller has at least acknowledged wrong and apologized. I guess everyone can decide if they want to deal with him in the future.
There's only one reason why anyone would post photos that small and of poor quality in a sales thread. They know that the knife is not in the condition as described. This is more than a misrepresentation, it's an outright scam. There should've been no negotiation for a $20 refund. Only a full refund is in order.
One takeaway for newer folks here…look the knife over carefully before you list it! Err on the side of caution and try to find and highlight, with both words and pictures, ANY flaws. ESPECIALLY do this if you are not the original owner.
After receiving a knife sold as “new” recently myself that had obvious signs of carry and use, I thought it might be time to start a “what not to do thread.” This is supposed to be a fun hobby, but these (hopefully rare) occasions sure suck.
After receiving a knife sold as “new” recently myself that had obvious signs of carry and use, I thought it might be time to start a “what not to do thread.” This is supposed to be a fun hobby, but these (hopefully rare) occasions sure suck.
As someone who's newer, I look for and appreciate feedback like this.
The blanket "don't do business with new guys" doesn't scream "community" to me.
I know for a fact (anyone Ive sold to/traded with can vouch for this) I make it a point to point out any perceivable flaws with words and pictures.
As usual, "some, not all" definitely applies with respect to us new people.
Neal my rule is this..........
I only want to do business with Gold or Platinum members with a minimum of 5 years of membership.
They should have at least 20 positive feedback's.
They should be predominately active outside of the sales forums as this shows an investment in the forum and in the hobby.
They should not ask for Paypal F&F or even offer it as an option.
Far too many people are using BF as a targeted trading site. Avoid amateur dealers like the plague!
I'm glad you got sorted out........
Thank you for taking the time to share Steven. I like some of your tips.
Neal
Jeremy, thank you for apologizing. That means a lot. I plan on mailing off the knife on Monday and look forward to putting this matter behind us.
Neal