Bad Beware of Jeremy Swisher aka j-swish16, jamesjones, & JKnight1. Misrepresented condition of knife - painful transaction and ordeal.

To my fellow forum members and contributors, thank you kindly for stepping in and voicing your opinions, thoughts and concerns. It is because of you guys that I feel swift and just resolution has proceeded (or at least appears that way). I'm actually surprised by it but it is why Bladeforums is still the best community to be a part of when it comes to the knife hobby. No where else can one receive accountability and also re-newed trust and faith in the present and future dealings.

To the OP, yeah please keep the thread open for just a bit more until A) the refund has switched from Pending to Completed and B) possibly allow other members to voice their concerns or recommendations for J-Swish regarding any present or near future transactions he may have been involved in. It is because of your post creation that gave me some hope and support and not absolute shock when received the knife.

To J-Swish16, thank you for making this right (at least doing the right thing) and doing so swiftly. Like others have said, it is hard believe there is a learning curve when it comes to describing a condition of the knife, especially NEW, Never used, carried etc. vs. a Used one with different gradations. I didn't bother to mention what appear to be like coffee stains on both sides of blade which I noticed under in-house lighting last night. In any case, doesn't matter at this point. Hopefully these transactions were just symptoms or byproducts of a dealing with a lot in life and your daughter in the hospital and not any malicious or greedy/whatever-they-call-it. Believe me, I've made mistakes as a new member when I once was (though not in misrepresenting a knife's condition) and it was this great forum that spoke and as a community response helped set me straight, helped me mature in a sense. At the time it sucked, it hurt, and it stung and for a long time. Yet as time went on I saw the wisdom in it all. This community is unlike any other and its members actually care about each other and keeping pure the perfectness as it were of communal transactions that can provide immense joy in this great hobby. It wouldn't be possible with out the framework of the rules and the integrity of 95%+ of its members. Hope you can take from this experience as I once did, an opportunity to better yourself and be a part of something greater and experience that joy when it comes and you will know when it does.
 
Also, should I level negative feedback? I guess in this case it is warranted but never have before. If a negative feedback is justified by the level of anger or upset ness with a given transaction then I would go neutral with true description of the proceedings. If a Negative is justified then I will do but I mean no harm to come of the seller. Guess I should wait till the refund has fully processed as forgive but do have some skepticism. Please advise
 
j-swish16 said:
is the absolute worst business mode
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............. I think you are missing a point. The marketplace here is not a business. It is a service offered for members to facilitate transactions. If it were a business model entirely then a % of each transaction would be payable to the owner (akin to ePrey etc). Having people buy a membership to participate in the marketplace AS A SELLER certainly generates some revenue to support the site but I do not believe anyone will be retiring on it. First and foremost Forums such as this are about interaction and information with the rest as a bonus. Many of the issues that have popped up over the past few years are in that space where this forum is only being used as a sales platform, I guess read into that what you will.
 
rycen said:
Gilbert G Gilbert G

Per the rules negative feedback would be incorrect.
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Please clarify-Negative feedback or any feedback. I believe it is the latter, but wanted it to be clear in case he wished to leave neutral. I don't think he is thinking of leaving positive, so that is off the table for now.
 
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severedthumbs said:
Can you post the rule here? I read them and don’t see how a negative would be incorrect. Dude lied abkut a knife condition at least twice now, a clear pattern has been established by this seller of lying. What do you have to do around here to earn a negative?
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It is the way they interpret this, since he is getting his money back-I believe:
5.If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you're not out any items or money hasn't changed hands, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying.
 
5. If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you're not out any items or money hasn't changed hands, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying.

This thread serves as the feedback. Unless I’m mistaken Gilbert G Gilbert G is not currently out anything monetary.
 
rycen said:
5. If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you're not out any items or money hasn't changed hands, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying.

This thread serves as the feedback. Unless I’m mistaken Gilbert G Gilbert G is not currently out anything monetary.
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To be clear, in my situation, a deal did happen, money did change hands, and the deal ultimately unwound. I believe the same for Gilbert G. Based upon how #5 is written above, Feedback would be allowed in both instances.

Ultimately I am out $15 as I had to ship the knife back to the seller on my dime (mailing, signature receipt and insurance). The seller did not reimburse me for this (although $10 was requested for mailing the knife back as part of the Paypal claim and was ultimately not paid by the seller) and frankly, it is worth the $15 to no longer have to interact with the seller.

I think it is important to note, the ablity to leave and see feedback in situations such as these is important to future buyers (and sellers) as well as the integrity of BF. While I agree that this thread may serve as feedback, it makes sense to be able to look at and assess one's feedback score. J-Swish16 is a relatively new member and there was not much for me to go on in evaluating him as a seller when I agreed to purchase. If feedback is not allowed in situations as these, I believe it would be a disservice to both BF's reputation and it's members.
 
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I apologize for my poor interpretation.

It was my understanding that he got a refund and was able to keep the knife. In court you’re only allowed to be made whole not anything extra.

I agree that the rule wording needs to be tweaked for extra clarity.
 
triplem said:
To be clear, in my situation, a deal did happen, money did change hands, and the deal ultimately unwound. I believe the same for Gilbert G. Based upon how #5 is written above, Feedback would be allowed in both instances.

Ultimately I am out $15 as I had to ship the knife back to the seller on my dime (mailing, signature receipt and insurance). The seller did not reimburse me for this (although $10 was requested for mailing the knife back as part of the Paypal claim and was ultimately not paid by the seller) and frankly, it is worth the $15 to no longer have to interact with the seller.

I think it is important to note, the ablity to leave and see feedback in situations such as these is important to future buyers (and sellers) as well as the integrity of BF. While I agree that this thread may serve as feedback, it makes sense to be able to look at and assess one's feedback score. J-Swish16 is a relatively new member and there was not much for me to go on in evaluating him as a seller when I agreed to purchase. If feedback is not allowed in situations as these, I believe it would be a disservice to both BF's reputation and it's members.
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This rule is the reason you see so many with perfect feedback, that aren't perfect sellers
I believe under the rule you were OK with leaving the feedback for 2 reasons.
1. you were out some money
2. even though it never seemed to get in print, at one time Spark said If you had to file a PP claim ( rather than seller stepping up to make things right)to get your money back feedback was fine.
but this is from my interpretation and observation, and I of course have no authority. From that same observation I don't think all moderators react the same to the rule
I don't want to beat Swish to a pulp over this, but it would be an injustice for him to come out of this with a perfect I trader feedback score. Many members only look at that.
 
j-swish16 said:
Full refund given for the launch to GilbertG. If he wants to keep the knife he can. Guys I am new to this. Obviously I made mistakes. There was no malicious intent (believe it or not. If it was I’d keep the money. Let’s use our heads for something more than a hat rack fellas). I have since spoke to a longtime member with an impeccable record and he educated me on these matters at hand So it won’t be an issue going forward. I will say however, to blackball all new members because they are new is the absolute worst business model I’ve ever heard on a site where you want growth and just ridiculous in general. Everyone here was new at one point. So again I’m sorry for these but I assure you it won’t be a issue going forward. I’ll wait now for the pile on to proceed....,
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You're an excellent example of why new members are treated with suspicion for the most part on the Exchange, simple as that. Speaking of using your head for something more than a hat rack, I'd like to know what your reasoning was for labeling obviously beat up, used knives as "BNIB" or "LNIB". Did you think prospective buyers would be people whose eyes didn't work? Or maybe your eyes don't work? I'm genuinely curious. As is, you're on my "Don't do business with" list, because you are untrustworthy, simple as that.
 
`br4dz- said:
You flat out lied about the condition of both knives being discussed in this thread. That wasn't a mistake, that WAS malicious. You played the members here for a fool, thinking they wouldn't notice some very obvious wear marks and damage. And of course, you have deleted most of your for sale posting you have created, changing both the title and body to "hh" or "gg" etc. so that buyers do not have much recourse. Of course mods can probably roll that back, but I digress. These aren't rookie mistakes, these aren't oopsies, these aren't "I didn't know better" moments, you deceived and mislead, it's as simple as that. Stop making excuses, own up to it, and do better for the few remaining members that will actually deal with you.
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Accurate. This noob is in heavy damage control mode, but the great thing is that this thread is forever. Anyone who searches his name will see that he's untrustworthy, and not worth doing business with. That's a win, as far as I'm concerned. Let him take this "selling battered knives as new, then acting shocked and fake apologetic when called on it" act on the road. It should do great on Ebay or /Knives. 😅 😅
 
I'm sure hundreds of transactions occur through bladeforums each week without any problems, but this topic is another example of why it's not worth the risk to me to buy or sell on here.
 
A cursory look at the "folders for sale" section shows tons of new members whose names I don't recognize who are selling on this site regularly in the very short time since enrolling.

That leads me to certain general conclusions via the logic of "Occam's Razor". Most of them not positive.

I am leery of people who join simply to gain access to the "Exchange" as a less expensive alternative to other sites.

I am also on the lookout for certain hackneyed excuses offered as the reason for having to let go of their "heirloom quality", "perfectly mint", "only taken out for pictures" knife or other item.

Caveat Emptor.
 
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