BEWARE of Seth Rosen

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Beware of Seth Rosen of Little Silver, New Jersey. Do not deal with this POS, as he is a cheat a liar and a scumbag. He goes by jbravo on the forums but that’s his actual name and town.

I have NEVER posted anything negative about ANYONE before - beware of this creep.

He listed a production Strider on eBay as, "Custom Handmade Strider SnG Gunner Grips MINT NR!” and when I found out it was merely a normal production Strider, I had to file a PayPal claim to get my refund. I returned his PRODUCTION Strider in perfect condition, and called him out in the private correspondence of the PayPal resolution center, as deliberately misrepresenting the knife. He retaliated by libel on the forum he financially supports (and has many, many buddies on) behind my back and I didn’t find out until two years later. He has fabricated stories to rally his troops against me, and would not accept ANY attempts at reconciliation.

I strongly caution you to not deal with this manipulative, misrepresenting coward.
 
Man... you were doing really well. You were being rational, polite, and concise. Now, you start a thread and start with the insults. Trust me... this is not the way. You can salvage a good name here. But, it's not going to be like this. You might have to bite the bullet, and be the bigger man. Remember, two wrongs...
 
I really do appreciate your advice, but I am at a loss here. My name has been posted on the internet, costing me jobs and housing for two years - I finally looked up my name and found this. I messaged the main moderator, then asked to “prove I am the person in question”, then completely ignored. If the moderators won’t remove my name from their forum, they must condone this behavior, and I genuinely feel I was done wrong, so I filed my own feedback almost verbatim to his. My attempts at formal, public apologies were disregarded and ignored, and I’m only trying to claw my way out of this hole he’s dug and thrown me down.

Suffocating, and this was my only glimpse of sunlight from beneath the dirt on my coffin. Is it really so wrong? When you weight the circumstances? For me to post my own feedback, as the only defense in a seriously outnumbered eulogy?
 
You really believe that you've lost out on housing and jobs because of one post in BF?

I was siding towards you regarding the original post until I read this posting.

I think it was absurd for both of you to post about a settled transaction on ebay, but I think you have to look elsewhere for the source of your difficulties regarding housing and employment.
 
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If the moderators won’t remove my name from their forum, they must condone this behavior
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No. The moderators are providing both of you with equal opportunity to present the facts. So far, the facts are not at all clear....
 
Cougar Allen said:
This seems to be a continuation of Beware of Daniel Wilson.


Did you have to file a PayPal claim to get your refund? Or did you file the claim without giving him any opportunity to give you a refund first?
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AFTER he replied that all Striders are semi-custom, and that his description was accurate, I filed the dispute, as I felt I needed their help with someone deliberately trying to deceive me. But I did wait until I got the knife, and did the research - I don’t know why he keeps claiming I never opened the box, and I don’t see what that’s doing for his argument anyway. I clearly remember holding that strider, and eventually I bought the exact same knife, new, from true north knives. The only two Striders I’ve ever touched.

I filed the claim that very day, to ensure their help, because I felt he deliberately deceived me, and was continuing to do so. I have been communicating with him, but he never made mention as to work it out with me - he only justified his reasons for listing it that way, and I felt communication was futile.

I just read the note - you know, where you add a note for the seller? - and it made me sad. I feel like such a idiot:

Note:
If you find it in your heart to include a nylon Strider pouch? This is my first Strider, thanks for a good deal.

I realize this forum is his home, and I’m way outnumbered, and he wants this nonsense on his turf, but I just feel like he deliberately tried to take advantage of a noob, and when I called him out, he couldn’t admit it. I think he got really offended at being accused of deliberately deceiving me - as he’s so proud of his good reputation.

I honestly think, in his mind, he doesn’t realize he was lying about it being a “Handmade Custom” he kept trying to justify it by telling me it was “hand finished” and stuff like that. I still don’t know why he took a personal matter between me and him, online and public like this. That’s what this is really about.

My stance is that publicly humiliating me, for standing up for not wanting to buy something I thought was custom handmade, is not cool - and I wish he’d take it down. He’s hurt me enough. I’m sorry, man. I’m sorry for not bending over and taking it from you and standing up for myself. I’m sorry.
 
Seth, jbravo, whatever you want me to call you. Look man, I’m genuinely sorry. I seriously upset you. All of these people here have your back. I have no case. But why, would anyone just go off on someone else without reason? I’m just such a jerk, that I send hate mail to people that did right by me? I’m not a huge collector, and the only other dealing I’ve done here is with STR’s BackYardKnifeworks, and he customized my Emerson CQC-14. I dont’ want to bring him into this nonsense, but I’m just saying that I didn’t just go off on STR for no reason, like the lunatic you’ve made me out to be.

I feel I was provoked by you trying to pull a fast one on me. To unload something portrayed as something more valuable to an unsuspecting noob. When your plan was found out, I told you to go to heck (I’m not allowed to cuss on bladeforums, as I’ve already had a warning for that).

I’m sorry if I made you feel bad and hurt your feelings, and I guess it’s too late to salvage my slandered name - so I’ll have to legally change it. But just know, that I hope you can accept my apology, for calling you out the way I did. Respect.
 
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Gritter, you have a problem with jbravo. Do not pull BF into your complaint. If you feel disparaged, then explain your side of the story. Notice how the Mods are giving you that chance?

I have already posted that I was siding towards you initially, but enough of your whining already. BF is made up of different people from all over the world, we all make up our own minds here. Nobody automatically sides with someone unless they have reason to.

The more you whine and imply that everyone automatically backs a paid member v. newb, the more you lose your credibility.

If you had done your homework here, you would have realized how members here will go out of the way to prevent long-time, paid-members from taking advantage of newbs.
 
I still want to know if jbravo will admit to listing the knife as a "custom."

The fact that they are "hand finished" is irrelevant because everyone knows there is a clear difference between a "custom" Strider and a "production" Strider.

From reading both threads on this matter, I think you were both a little out of line and should have handled it better:

Filing a PP complaint before trying to settle it with the seller directly wasn't the best way to go about it, no matter how deliberately deceived you felt. I'm sure that based on his rep, he would have refunded your money as soon as you asked for it.

Misrepresenting an item for sale is also not looked upon highly and that's what I'm still curious about.

jbravo: Did you list a production Strider as "custom?"
 
Dude- settle down. Nobody has anybodies back right now, we ask for the facts and form our opinions based on them. I'm sure many here would want to give each member the benefit of the doubt; but when you come off saying he stopped you from getting jobs/housing/etc. we start to shake our collective heads. Do you have proof that you lost jobs because of BF. I seriously doubt it. As for the flowery talk of "Suffocating, and this was my only glimpse of sunlight from beneath the dirt on my coffin" does not help your case. You have been a member here for 2 years and have not had any negative repercussions on Bladeforums from a post that was started 2 years ago. I understand that finding out the issue after the fact is rough, but you are taking this WAY too hard and are making it seem like:
1)the forum is out to get you and we are all a big "good ol boys club". Nothing is further from the truth. The rules apply to all and I have personally seen a former respected poster who turned into a lying douche get tossed. Paying to support the site gets you support for the site- the rules still apply to all and if you are a platinum member who breaks said rules and you are turfed the platinum goes to Spark and you are SOL.

2) that the post in question has ruined your life. Short of imprisonment or lawsuits this is hyperbole. If you have had problems in the last 2 years I can assure you that one post on an insignificant forum among the billions of websites out there is not the cause. In fact until you posted in the other thread nobody knew who you were, your Bladeforums name was spotless.

I understand frustrations but you have to keep things realistic. If you would have given your side of the story and then mentioned that you felt it might have had something to do with some hardships and backed it up with facts then you would be taken a lot more seriously- I took you much more seriously until your flamboyant language came out. It happened 2 years ago- let it stay there now that you have given your side of the story. Let bygones be bygones, you got your money back- he got his knife back. We can change drastically in 2 years, and carrying luggage around for such a small amount of time and money wasted, when it was dealt with then is more stress to you than anybody else. You have a right to bring up your side of the story, but this whole thread reads a a big pity party you are throwing for yourself and I can guarantee it is putting you in a bad light. This is everybodies forum (well after Spark), and those of us who feel at home take it very seriously when people disrupt what is ours. Become one of the people who look out for the forum using logic and tact and you too can become one of the respected posters who, through time, goodwill and effort have people that will watch their back and truthfully speak of the good dealings they have had with you.

All the best
Kris
 
"I beg of you to remove your slanderous accusations of me, and in the very least remove my real name and locale. I’m amazed this forum would support such a ridiculous method of revenge. I would never stoop to such a low level as to libel you on a public forum, and I won’t now" (Gritter, from other thread

What happen to this ^ guy? Like others have said i felt just an ity bity bit bad for you cus you had some good points about slandering your name. But now THIS this is crazy.
 
EMcDannell said:
"I beg of you to remove your slanderous accusations of me, and in the very least remove my real name and locale. I’m amazed this forum would support such a ridiculous method of revenge. I would never stoop to such a low level as to libel you on a public forum, and I won’t now" (Gritter, from other thread

What happen to this ^ guy? Like others have said i felt just an ity bity bit bad for you cus you had some good points about slandering your name. But now THIS this is crazy.
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Slandering (verbal) and Libel (written) means saying things that aren’t true. Everything in my original post is true, thus it’s not slander or libel. I even went so far as to provide the details as to why. That’s the difference although it’s mostly verbatim to his original post.
 
Gritter said:
Slandering (verbal) and Libel (written) means saying things that aren't true. Everything in my original post is true, thus it's not slander or libel.
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On what occasions did you lose job prospects and housing opportunities due to the original posting?
 
OK. Gritter, I just backed you up on the original post, but you're taking this a bit far IMO. Two wrongs don't make a right. I understand your frustration, but I cannot support this thread.

Plenty of paying members were more than willing to consider your side of the story, but this post may change that.
 
I do want to say that I’m impressed. I thought the entire forum would come down on my head, but I can see now that these replies are more than rational and fair. I want to admit that I did take it too hard. I did freak out. I am/was being overdramatic about the entire thing. I do see now that the mods are giving me a chance and I really do appreciate that. Thank you. Sorry for the flamboyant language, but I just can’t help myself a lot of times. That’s just the way I write. Sorry for disrupting the forums. Sorry for bringing the personal issues here, two years after it was done to me. Apparently, I’ve lost credibility, but I never really thought I’d have any to begin with. I really expected the worst. I don’t know any members here at all, and apparently I lashed out.

I took it too far, then and now. I do that. I really take it personal when it feels like someone is trying to pull a fast one me. I am still learning, and just today have learned more than I thought I ever would.

I’m really not looking for anyone to take my side, as I have always expected no one to. I think the damage has already been done. Two years of unknown ridicule is a long time, I’m sorry if some of you don’t feel it’s a big deal - as it can be hard to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. I jumped the gun, ran my mouth, and whined like a baby. I guess he was right, I wouldn’t ever want to deal with such a drama queen like me either.

So, I give up. I don’t want to do this anymore. I already feel like my private life has been violated, and I’m only violating it more by my continued posts here. I never wanted to share any of my personal drama, but I took the bait, hook, line and sinker.

Sorry to the mods, for accusing you of favoring the Gold/Paying members. I was wrong and I realize that now. Sorry for involving all of you bystanders that could do without this nonsense. Sorry for digging up old bones and... (I just caught myself getting flamboyantly wordy, oops - sorry for that too).

I’ve done everything the wrong way, handled everything like an immature person, who really isn’t fit for internet transactions. Just look at the way I conducted myself over all of this. So yeah - take his warning, he’s right. I admit it. Don’t do business with me. I’m serious. No sarcasm. I will make things much more dramatic than they are, and I’m paranoid that everyone’s out to get me. I’ve never made any friends here, and there’s probably a good reason for that. I speak my mind, when I should keep my mouth shut. I am not a people person.

I never wanted this to be about anything other than bringing a personal ebay transaction here in the first place. That’s really the only thing I had a problem with. That’s when it became very personal to me. I still don’t understand why a forum would allow such a personal attack like that to be hosted on their servers, but if those are the rules here, then I felt like I had no choice but to play by those rules. I mean, sites like youtube honor your privacy and will remove a video that violates it. I learned not all sites have the same standards, and my reports are all in vain. Sorry guys. Flame away. Don’t feed the troll, etc.

I appreciate the freedoms of speech this forum allows and I’ve learned I have got to take the bad with the good. I understand that now.
 
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CWL said:
On what occasions did you lose job prospects and housing opportunities due to the original posting?
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That’s really hard to answer without getting really personal. I could explain in a PM, but I worry that it will “leak” and be on the internet forever. I could tell you about the problems I’ve had, being the reason i googled my own name to find this in the first place, but not without getting really personal, and I already feel violated. Then, I think people would say I was being paranoid and whining, etc. I can’t defend myself, so I give up. It’s not worth exposing all my personal info to prove anything to strangers.

If this went to court, yes, I think I could provide enough proof to show that I have directly felt the repercussions of my name having negative connotations in a google search for the past two years. I google search someone’s name before I date them. I would google search anyone that I was planning on hiring, or living with, or renting to. I cannot prove anything to you without violating myself, so deduce what you will. Sorry.
 
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