BEWARE of Seth Rosen

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yup i think Gritters real name should be removed. listing something as "custom" when it is in fact not fully custom is very miss leading even for veteran knife buyers, i think it is flat out wrong.
 
This whole thing is just a silly mess. If the knife had been listed for the price of a custom then there would be more to talk about. The knife was listed at what some would say is a fair price for what it was. The wording of the auction title could have been done better as it was not a custom knife but it was clearly production prices being asked. (I realise that is easy for someone who knows the price of knives to say, but a check of on line dealers would have cleard that up).

The other thread should never have been started and this thread is the same IMO, this is not a BFC issue.........it's being made into one.
 
To be fair even though it is an eBay/Paypal transaction and not a BF one Gritter's name and address has been posted on here for two years. In the original thread JBravo, as fine an individual as he may be, didn't disclose the fact this was an eBay transaction. He only posted attacks on Gritter. Even when asked numerous times he didn't give the details he just used his reputation as evidence that he was right and the other guy was wrong. I find that to be intentionally misleading in itself.

I think Gritter made his case in this thread and the other original thread. Neither guy is a scumbag but Gritter's wish to have his name and address removed should be respected. Whether anyone else thinks it has or ever will damage him personally is immaterial. JBravo posted it for exactly that reason. Whether or not he could have checked other sites to see if the description was accurate is also immaterial. If the description was not accurate, intentionally or by mistake, doesn't matter as it was still not accurate.

Tempers flare, I know I have as bad of one as anyone on God's Green Earth. Two years have past. Time to clean this up as nobody was damaged and everyone was made whole (some two years ago).

I'll sign off with saying after reading both threads I would not hesitate to deal with either Gritter or JBravo.
 
Interesting read.
I would also deal with you Gritter - even if you do love the melodrama ;)
+1 for name removal, under the circumstances it is the only fair thing to do.
 
I know Seth Rosen very well. I have done deals with him. I have seen him interact on the forums for years and I have never heard anyone say anything negative about him or his business dealings. He is a stand up guy in all respects and I have nothing but good dealings with him. He once held a knife for me while I was able to work out the details on how I was going to pay for it. So, that alone tells me that it is not about the money, but helping another collector and friend find the knife that he would like to own. Seth would not risk his reputation for a mere few hundred dollars or for any amount of money.
Bobby
 
Haze said:
If the knife had been listed for the price of a custom then there would be more to talk about. The knife was listed at what some would say is a fair price for what it was. The wording of the auction title could have been done better as it was not a custom knife but it was clearly production prices being asked. (I realise that is easy for someone who knows the price of knives to say, but a check of on line dealers would have cleard that up).

The other thread should never have been started and this thread is the same IMO, this is not a BFC issue.........it's being made into one.
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I understand your stance, but it was an eBay auction. I have listed many, very valuable items there for 99¢ - that doesn’t mean it’s only worth a dollar, a low price can help generate more views/interest. I have scored some killer deals through eBay that way. For me, that was the allure of eBay’s site.

As for the original back and forth messages, I can’t find any, or I would have already posted them. I don’t think Paypal keeps them on file, at least I couldn’t find them anywhere. Or maybe I deleted them to rid the bad taste left behind, and I just wanted to be done with it. It feels like so long ago, I really can’t remember. I would not, however, purposely endure two years of google searchable bashing for the sake of HOPING the original emails would somehow disappear, as someone suggested.

Also, any copy/paste of text can be easily manipulated. It would also have to disclose ALL messages, from BOTH sides to be accurately interpreted. At any rate, I cannot provide that, unfortunately. If jbravo ever replies again, and only posts a partial representation of the communication - it would be very easy to skew the reader to a favorable stance. I do not believe it’s possible to present the entire texts in it’s whole, because the messages sent through the PayPal resolution center seem to have fallen into an abyss.

I wish this would have never became a BFC issue as well, and I guess it’s approved because the said ebay auction happened to be a knife?

I commend jbravo for his loyal following here. I understand that a lot of people will vouch for his integrity, and I applaud his hard work and honesty that earned him that respect. But using that power in the way he presented his case, to oust me, is a gross abuse of that power, in my humble opinion.

Again, jbravo, I’m sorry things didn’t work out the way you had planned. I’m sorry for offending you, and I regret ever dealing with you.
 
I just want to add that this thread was started yesterday evening, and in less than 24 hours it has generated more than half the views of the original thread that this one mocks. I should have kept my mouth shut and left the entire thing buried, but I couldn’t help but to jam my foot into my mouth and choke as it climbs the google results ladder. *palms forehead*
 
Gritter said:
I just want to add that this thread was started yesterday evening, and in less than 24 hours it has generated more than half the views of the original thread that this one mocks. I should have kept my mouth shut and left the entire thing buried.......
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Yeah you should.
You have resurrected a 2 year old thread for a transaction in which you lost no money and the seller received his knife back.
Your name has been out there for two years......rehashing it all now only makes you seem vindictive.
The seller has moved on and so should you...........
 
I don't agree with that. Your name is still out there and will be for years to come. I've had an HR department Google me and a boss do it. It should be removed.

David
 
This is why we can't have nice things.

I just made a post backing you in the other thread and now I see this one.
 
IMO, a non-MSC/DDC strider is NOT a custom knife. It is a production knife, just like a CRK Sebenza. They are good knives when you find a nice one, but they aren't custom.
 
I agree Gritter went about defending himself in a less than optimal way but he has the right and I believe he is justified in bringing this issue back from 2 years ago. Mainly because he just found out about it and his real name has been posted for all to see in a negative way for 2 whole years without having a chance to hear his side. And jbravo could have a stellar rep and have many people vouch for him but each deal deserves its own trial.
 
come on mods, remove this guys name already. this situation is all but resolved except for that.
 
This thread never should have been opened. See my response in the other one
 
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