Beware of user Toyknife..

I bet he washed it with some sort of sponge, decided he didn't want to keep the knife, and then used the scratches as an excuse to get his money back. That sucks.
 
lsheldon said:
I got the knife back today. I know for a fact those scratches were not there when I shipped it to ToyKnife. I also know they aren't caused by a kydex sheath. First because I don't own any kydex (don't know if ToyKnife does or not), and additionally the scratches go in too many directions to be caused by sheathing in kydex.

I've learned a valuable lesson.

1. Take DETAILED pictures prior to shipping.
2. You wash it, NO REFUND. You've altered the knife......

Now it goes back to Busse to be cleaned up and then resold.

Best regards to everyone.

Les.
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That's a very poor show indeed, it looks like a case of one trying to justify a return after a bout of "buyers remorse" to me.
 
Prior to putting it away once I got it from Busse, I wiped it down with a Tuf Cloth. Just like I do with all of my Satin knives. The photos I took were after wiping it down with the Tuf Cloth. I've never seen a Tuf Cloth scratch a blade. But I use a new one every 3 months or so.

It's back. That's all I care about now. It's going to the spa for a treatment tomorrow. I guess I better research building a light box for knife photo taking.

Best, Les.

wolfmann601 said:
I will never EVER understand why someone would wash a knife PRIOR to inspecting it. Let me get this correct; the knife is described as mint, is packaged while mint and is shipped as a mint knife. The mint knife gets delivered and the buyer cannot see anything so wrong with it that he wants a refund until after he washes it. What was on the blade that obscured those scratches? Maybe the soap and water wash caused those scratches and the buyer figured he would blame the seller because afterall, who wants an EDC knife to use a knife for it's intended purpose daily if there are cosmetic scratches on the blade?
Why wash it? Did it get shipped in a sack of mud? Does Busse spray their blades with a secret dust to conceal Infi? Do new washed knives cut better than new unwashed knives?

Just an answer to the question "why wash a knife upon arrival from a seller?" and I can go in peace and of course STFU..............................
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You are exactly right. I hate to start not dealing with people who have no feedback. I did a trade with a guy a couple of months ago who had no feedback. We both shipped our knives at the same time, I didn't make him ship first even though he offered. And everything was fine. It all worked out.

Just goes to show you can never be certain. I hope this never happens to me again. The last 10 days have been extremely trying to say the least. My blood pressure is definitely not where it would normally be right now.

Best, Les.

on_the_edge said:
Well, at least you got the knife back, even if it wasn't in that condition when you sent it out. Unfortunately, going the extra mile to take detailed pics of a knife before you send it out will only result in the recipient then resorting to the argument that the pics you took were taken before you sent out a less-than-mint knife. :rolleyes::jerkit: In other words, I don't see how this type of outcome can be avoided in the future unless you deal only with known, trusted individuals. That not only sucks for you, but for new folks too who have done nothing wrong at all and just want to buy their first knife.
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the internet is a crazy place.
and i have been scamed ( total loss, knife, watch, money ) before.
many many trades go well. until one day....
i just have a deal falling through because i refuse to ship an expensive custom - built light in a trade for a knife.

i suggest the following ( a bit complicated, but safe )
there should be a long time member, trustworthy and reliable that
gets the items ( and / or money ) and checks if everything is ok.

i would be willing to pay a fee for such service.

just an idea.
 
Maybe Customs opened the thing?

Just sayin', cause both of you seem like nice, reasonable people.
 
Okay, Hold on a second folks.

1)As stated I wash all my knives with soap and water and not once has a scratch appeared.
2)I don't own a kydex sheath for any knife. Hence, the reason why I asked if the seller had one, so possibly I could get one for the AD.
3)I didn't want a refund, request one, even bring it up and still don't want one! The refund was submitted before I received any answers to my questions. All I wanted was an explanation. Yet, in return a refund and this thread. Thank you for your help. The "Press" is great.

I have done business on this forum before and yes, you are right I have no feedback. Why? I didn't think this was eBay where you leave feedback. The last I recall the feedback feature of the forum was disabled. I guessing it has been reactivated.

Regards,

-Nick.
 
Oh and by the way. I'm still looking for a BAD with black canvas micarta. Shoot me a PM.

Thank you,

-Nick.

Oops red. In the wrong thread.

Apologies, to the forum.

-Nick.
 
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From the E-mails you posted it sure sounds like a refund was expected, you checked your paypal account for it!!

What did you expect, your communications insinuated the knife was used, sharpened and no where near as descibed. First, there were "fine scratches" then clear evidence of use.

You were not going to be happy with an "Oh, sorry", happy with "sh*t happens", happy with "here's $50", or happy with "it was not shipped that way". based on your E-mails it was pretty clear from the tenor of the mail you sent that the deal needed be undone ASAP

And so it was, the buyer gets a washed knife and a lesson to maybe hire Coop to take pre-sale photos ( :D ) and you a lesson to maybe hold off on bathing a bought knife until after inspection.

There really was not much different that the seller could do, was there?
 
Wow, wolfmann, presume much?;) Without reading between the lines it sure seems that Toyknife was just wondering what had happened to the knife?

Honestly, in the seller's pics, those scratches (whether they were there or not) would NOT have been visible, and actually probably not even noticed without perfect lighting. They do look like kydex marks, but I've also seen the same scratches on satin Busses from...cardboard:eek: If someone made a 'Busse-style' sheath from plain cardboard you could very well end with those marks. You can't really see anything about the edge, but the scratches could very easily be seen or not depending on the light.

I don't normally get involved in stuff like this, but I'm seeing a lot of piling on Toyknife that appears unwarranted. This comes off more as a misunderstanding (and maybe a little over-reaction), but I don't think either gent involved intended to get one over on the other. Crap happens-sometimes deals just don't work-let's shake hands and move on!
 
:DPresumption stimulates conversation!!!:D

The knife is on the way, or has been returned and the money refunded so this matter is now simply a topic of discussion.

Thats all............................
 
That it does:p

With all the friggin' jerks out there that really do set out to screw people over, I hate to see people getting their reps trashed here for what seems to be a misunderstanding and some miscommunication. I may be wrong, but I'd bet both parties involved go a long time in the exchange forums here without any more problems:thumbup:

I wouldn't have a problem dealing with lsheldon or toyknife (or course, I'm broke and I've already sold all my good stuff so it's a non-issue, but you get my drift:D)
 
Haze said:
Those sratches do look just like kydex marks or possibly a scotchpad or the like.
I don't see how scrathces like that were not visible before washing :confused:
My GW has similar light scrathces from kydex, use and washing, they are more than obvious.

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i agree 100%,

ya should just get someone to polish out the scratches/scuffs if its a collector knife, if its a user use it.
 
wolfmann601 said:
From the E-mails you posted it sure sounds like a refund was expected, you checked your paypal account for it!!

What did you expect, your communications insinuated the knife was used, sharpened and no where near as descibed. First, there were "fine scratches" then clear evidence of use.

You were not going to be happy with an "Oh, sorry", happy with "sh*t happens", happy with "here's $50", or happy with "it was not shipped that way". based on your E-mails it was pretty clear from the tenor of the mail you sent that the deal needed be undone ASAP

And so it was, the buyer gets a washed knife and a lesson to maybe hire Coop to take pre-sale photos ( :D ) and you a lesson to maybe hold off on bathing a bought knife until after inspection.

There really was not much different that the seller could do, was there?
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Yes, the knife was not as listed. There are two problems with the knife; 1)the fine scratches and 2)the sharpened edge. We are focusing on the scratches and not the edge, which is a problem. The scratches may have came from cardboard, Tuff cloth, soap, water, etc. The sharpened edge has not. I've seen many Busse "factory" edges and from my experience they don't come with a hint of fine/smooth/mirror/etc. They are rough, they get the job done!

I have no pressing need to refund or complete a transaction. I was happy with the knife; great design, handle material and finish. I wanted to know the story behind the knife. When the questions didn't get answered and the knife was then stated has being shipped as "MINT" and not "New" I got suspicious.

I was not given a chance to pick between either of the seller's options; $50 or full refund. The refund was issued, I received an email from PayPal and seller about the refund, hence me checking my account.

Keep in mind that the seller's explanation, list of options and full refund all happened within a short amount of time. I didn't have time to reply to his emails within those minutes (I was busy with another part of my life, the importance was a little higher then buying knives. Unreasonable response, I know;))

Bottom line; the seller should have not jumped to refunding a payment before he received an response. He would have cash and I a knife. But this is all hindsight.
 
WalterDavis said:
Wow, wolfmann, presume much?;) Without reading between the lines it sure seems that Toyknife was just wondering what had happened to the knife?

Honestly, in the seller's pics, those scratches (whether they were there or not) would NOT have been visible, and actually probably not even noticed without perfect lighting. They do look like kydex marks, but I've also seen the same scratches on satin Busses from...cardboard:eek: If someone made a 'Busse-style' sheath from plain cardboard you could very well end with those marks. You can't really see anything about the edge, but the scratches could very easily be seen or not depending on the light.

I don't normally get involved in stuff like this, but I'm seeing a lot of piling on Toyknife that appears unwarranted. This comes off more as a misunderstanding (and maybe a little over-reaction), but I don't think either gent involved intended to get one over on the other. Crap happens-sometimes deals just don't work-let's shake hands and move on!
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Davis,

Thank you for your insight and yes, I'll take that as a little help/support.

I feel the thread is too focused on the blade itself and not the transaction. But back to the blade once again. I see your point about the cardboard found from a box. That grade is fairly rough. I also feel we are too focused on the "fine scratches" and not the edge. As earlier, in a quoted thread, the edge looked like it was touched up. It didn't have a full mirror/polished edge the full length of the blade but most. As if someone hand sharpened it with a stone, Sharpmaker, or in a non-mechanized fashion.

I’m hoping that one can extrapolate from my posting(s) that my attention to detail is possibly higher then needed for such hobby. Hence, the "fine scratches", edge, Tuff cloth haze/smudge, etc.

You are correct, getting "one over on the other" is no motivation when it comes to knives. I have more important things to worry about and "buyer's remorse" doesn't enter the equation.

Pushing off for now.

Thanks again.
 
Sure thing:thumbup: It's not necessarily a bad thing that you've got such an eye for the details-when it comes down to it pretty much all the nicer knives are selling minutiae, fit and finish details and a slight increase in matter-seperation abilities:D

As for the deal itself, it's one of those things you just have to chalk off as a learning experience. Sometimes a deal just can't get done, life goes on:thumbup:

I'm sure an AD will make it your way eventually, and lsheldon will get his sold, one way or another.
 
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