Big Big Secret>>>>>>>>

valleytinworks said:
post a pic...... but cobalt to answer your question..... i can do anything ....lol
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randucci said:
Ahhh the ARC of the Covenent! Gonna store you BMs in there???? :confused:
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That would be arK (of the Covenant, not ent, but that's not nearly as funny to pick on), Ducci. A rainbow in the Arc of the Covenant. (See: Genesis, Noah, Flood)

And that was teh first thing I thought of. LOL Call Indy!
 
Dennis in MA said:
That would be arK (of the Covenant, not ent, but that's not nearly as funny to pick on), Ducci. A rainbow in the Arc of the Covenant. (See: Genesis, Noah, Flood)

And that was teh first thing I thought of. LOL Call Indy!
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It was the thought that count! ;)
 
voppa said:
Wait....so what's the secret? I promise I won't tell anyone....
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YAH VTW LEt us iN oN ThE SeCReT:thumbup:

seriously though what was the composition, I wanna make sure us ducci's are being sold 1095 steel at 400 bucks a pop:eek:
 
randucci said:
It was the thought that count! ;)
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That's not what you say when you "edit" my posts :D .

Actually it never ceases to amaze me that for four years I have dated a woman with a Dr. Degree in English. God I must be a hell of a bull $hiter!
 
Tony G said:
That's not what you say when you "edit" my posts :D .

Actually it never ceases to amaze me that for four years I have dated a woman with a Dr. Degree in English. God I must be a hell of a bull $hiter!
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ummm, you spell it with an S not a $
 
valleytinworks said:
shi...t,,,,, I don't even know what the fu.. is going on here....lol

I was actully pretty impressed with something I found out.... Though I am not totally sure.... I was merely fishing to see if anyone else thought it.... It's certainly nothing bad..... well if I am right its bad..... bad ass....
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I dont know how they cut the knives intially (water, laser, bandsaw:rolleyes: ), but I know that they used to and possibly still blanchard grind them flat. The CNC machines have taken over a lot of the blade geometry work.

If the blades arent cut, they they would either have to be poured into blade shapes, or stamp cut? (dont even know if anything like exists)

The 3/8" thick custom Satin Tack Tac was hand cut on a bandsaw, so I know that busse at least orders some flat bar stock for making custom peices.

I'm not even going to attempt to think of a unique metalurgical process in the creation of infi, because I have absolutely no knowledge or training that area... always interested in learning though :D
 
ok folks here is what makes me wonder about these knives, i have been in the metal biz for a while, i stamp all of our stuff on a 600 ton drop hammer press built in 1860, so i look for better steel for dies all the time....

it was when i stripped my first hell razor that my mind was bothered by something..... couldnt put my finger on it until i stripped my fbm....

the infamous infi dimples....... lets presume that jerry has it cold or hot rolled, well the dimples would be on the flats of the bar stock.

not in the corrogated areas right?

well in both my hr and fbm there are dimples in the corrogated areas and on the 'grinds' near the edge.....


does anyone have an idea why this is?


oh here is another clue

the only grind marks on both blades are around the handle and finger choil


and folks my idea on how this is done is only relevant to the knives with corrogated areas?
 
maybe the dimples are a result of the heat treating process? I had similar Dimples on my Swamp Rat Ice Pick, made of SR101.
 
rjd said:
Another "I have nothing intelligent to say thread.:yawn:

Matteo,

If you don't have anything constructive to say, do me a favor and don't even bother posting a response. VTW adds a lot to this forum and it seems that some members feel its okay to take shots at him for no reason. Like your post. And the a@@hole with no class who made a post dogging his mirror (How do you like that PC?).

He is a good member and I don't know if I am the only one that noticed, but he was gone for awhile and then he came back. I for one enjoy his contributions to this site and hope he stays around. But when people make inflammatory comments like yours, I wouldn't blame him if he disappears again. So do me a favor and don't berate the good members, save it for the trolls.

RJD
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Whoa, whoa.

I personally find these, "I know something you don't, and I'm not telling!!!! posts annoying.

Just keep it to yourself then. That's all I'm saying.

No need for the 'tude.
 
valleytinworks said:
ok folks here is what makes me wonder about these knives, i have been in the metal biz for a while, i stamp all of our stuff on a 600 ton drop hammer press built in 1860, so i look for better steel for dies all the time....

it was when i stripped my first hell razor that my mind was bothered by something..... couldnt put my finger on it until i stripped my fbm....

the infamous infi dimples....... lets presume that jerry has it cold or hot rolled, well the dimples would be on the flats of the bar stock.

not in the corrogated areas right?

well in both my hr and fbm there are dimples in the corrogated areas and on the 'grinds' near the edge.....


does anyone have an idea why this is?


oh here is another clue

the only grind marks on both blades are around the handle and finger choil


and folks my idea on how this is done is only relevant to the knives with corrogated areas?
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As far as grind marks only being at the ricasso - it would seem that the cnc machining does most of the grinding of the blade itself, and the handle is essentially already finished once its ground to shape. The cnc maching wouldnt be able to finish the rough edges caused by the machining bits, or the finishing and rounding the visible edges, like the spine and the choil area's.

As to there being pitting in the blade steel in the corragated area's, I have no idea. Very intriguing. Perhaps its acid marks from removing the scale from the heat treating cycles? (though i'm not sure there would be that much scale from heat treating). Perhaps its just a property of the steel caused by the heat treating cycle, though I'd be curious to find out how that only happens at the surface and not in the deeper matrix.

On my stripped pd, there wasnt any dimpling on the blade flats, only on the ricasso area wich wasnt ground by hand. Once buffed it out a bit with sand paper, the flats were perfectly polished, so it wasnt anything that was found deeper then surface level.

Do you have any macro shots of the bevels or the bottom of the main blade surface bevel that you could post?
 
Matteo Escobar said:
Whoa, whoa.

I personally find these, "I know something you don't, and I'm not telling!!!! posts annoying.

Just keep it to yourself then. That's all I'm saying.

No need for the 'tude.
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I find this one particularly interesting....

If the dimples are a result of the metalurgical creation of infi, then they should only be present on the flats of the bar stock. If they are only ever present on the flats of the steel (the area that is exposed to oxygen (or whatever gas is present during the rolling/pressing/pouring process), and the beveling has them, that that would mean that they were formed in that shape when they were intially poured/rolled/made. (Wich isn't the case, since we know that the beveling and ribbing of the main grind IS produced by a cnc machining process - they are not initially created to have that shape and feature set)

If the dimpling is present even after a peice of barstock is ground down - then that would indicate that there are large chunks of carbides or hard spots being knocked out by the machining process: OR that the dimples are actually small pockets of gas present throughout the matrix - wich would be bad since the edge would be all messed up and bumpy if that was the case.

So it would seem that the dimples are formed after the cnc machining process, but are removed by hand grinding any particular area. That would indicate that it is either a chemical process that is causing the dimpling to form on the surface of the steel that comes between the finished cnc grinding, and the coating of the blade, or a result of a heat treating process in between those two stages.
 
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