BigBrad75 - Slimey Behavior

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jbmonkey said:
Has bigbrad been on here to see this thread? Anyone know? If he has and is aware of it, his silence says it all to me.

Guess he's hoping y'all will get bored and let this thread fade away? Pretty poor way to handle a legitimate complaint, imho.

If he hasn't seen and isn't aware, I retract my statement and apologize of jumping the gun.
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Pretty sure the OP informed Bigbrad about this.....or at least coming to the forum to let others know. That should've been a pretty good hat tip to Bigbrad there's a thread here......I'd wager good money he is aware, is ignoring it and does hope it fades away.
 
Sorry, but the quickness of people to hang someone without hearing the other side of the story is sickening to me. Lieing is never ok, and I absolutely do not condone it. Someone has Over 100 positive feed backs from previous sales and has 1 lapse in judgement and you crucify him? "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" John 8:7. Just to be clear..... The above stated is more in a broad general sense rather than specifically for BigBrad. The moral? None of us are perfect...... Not one person who has posted in this thread can make such a claim.
 
It has nothing to do with being "perfect" and everything to do with just trying to make a buck by any means, without following forum rules, or even caring after you do.
 
So if someone goes his whole live without murdering someone, and then ups and murders a child, we should not be quick to judge because nobody is perfect? That argument is fallacious. Strawman fallacy. One could argue that some scamsters intentionally build up a positive record in order to gain trust, which they then exploit.
 
Locutus D'Borg said:
So if someone goes his whole live without murdering someone, and then ups and murders a child, we should not be quick to judge because nobody is perfect? That argument is fallacious. Strawman fallacy. One could argue that some scamsters intentionally build up a positive record in order to gain trust, which they then exploit.
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It's obvious the lynch mob is still in full effect. I think that is an absolutely ludacris and disgusting comparison. Have you ever made a mistake that you not only stepped forward and admitted but would not be forgiven? I don't disagree with this being out in the public light but I do disagree with The overall negative outlook of one sale as opposed to over 130 great ones. To call someone a scam artist over a single lapse in judgement is a fallacy on its own

Also, by definition a fallacy is an argument with poor reasoning. He broke a rule, but he did not scam anyone out of money. That would imply that he stole or swindled someone. The person got a product that he agreed to pay a price for. This broke a forum rule and did not sit well with the buyer. The seller openly agreed he did wrong and came clean. But I will give credit where credit is due..... He came clean. I understand now why he hasn't posted here, it would only fuel the lynch mob fire. In all reality what more needs to be said? I personally wouldn't ever take the course of action the seller chose to follow because morally it was wrong, but I don't think he should be burnt at the stake for making an error in judgement.

So now, please educate me on how my reasoning is poor, because I would not hesitate to say your above comment fits the definition of the word you feel you have so aptly used.
 
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jill jackson said:
So he came clean? Apologized for lying and refunded the money he charged for doing nothing?
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Jill I'm sure you a very nice person but please read the entire thread. By coming clean he explained exactly what he did to the seller in the messages posted here. Just like everyone else here I have an opinion. You may not like it but I ask that you respect it like I respect yours. We're all entitled to feel any way we see fit
 
I can't educate you on how your reasoning is poor. If you failed to understand my analogy, that may not be possible. Look up strawman fallacy. And re-read the original post. Yes, we are judging based on one side. Because BB refuses to give his side. How are we a lynch mob when we are pressing for BB to give his side to the story? You should be fighting for the aggrieved party, not the alleged perpetrator, IMO. We are seeing all too many cases of fraud and deceit on this forum. If you want to show outrage, direct it at that!
 
And why would he refund the money for a product the person already receive and was happy with? The only problem was the not telling him where it was comi gfrom which if act was wrong to do
 
Locutus D'Borg said:
I can't educate you on how your reasoning is poor. If you failed to understand my analogy, that may not be possible. Look up strawman fallacy. And re-read the original post. Yes, we are judging based on one side. Because BB refuses to give his side. How are we a lynch mob when we are pressing for BB to give his side to the story? You should be fighting for the aggrieved party, not the alleged perpetrator, IMO. We are seeing all too many cases of fraud and deceit on this forum. If you want to show outrage, direct it at that!
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At no point was I fighting for the alleged but merely showing my disdain for the proceedings.
 
Popsickle said:
And why would he refund the money for a product the person already receive and was happy with? The only problem was the not telling him where it was comi gfrom which if act was wrong to do
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You are another morally challenged person that I'd never do business with, besides the one that this thread is about.
 
Ill step out of this. It has nothing to do with me and in no way reflects how I would do business with anyone. I've done business with bigbrad before. I bought a strider folder on another forum and not only did he send me my package on time he added a starlingear big John crusher bead free of charge.
 
jill jackson said:
You are another morally challenged person that I'd never do business with, besides the one that this thread is about.
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It's this type of reaction that makes this is a secondary forum for me. When I do business my payment is prompt, communication is excellent an i send my items as described in a timely manner. For you to attack me when I've done nothing wrong shows your morally challenged intellect ;). If you don't like my opinions on any matter feel free to print this out and wipe your behind with it. I'm done with this thread. Have fun yall
 
Just read the first couple of responses (not six pages) and based on that...

Seems like the seller lied and acted dishonorably and dishonestly. That said, there is nothing wrong with buying something to sell at a profit. Kershaw made the knife to sell a profit, KershawGuy bought it to make a profit, and the seller did, too. If he just bought it from KershawGuy, received it and just listed it for sale, it seems like everyone would be happy. The buyer seems to be happy paying a premium.

I want to note, however, that one of the reasons this site is great is the general honesty of our members. We are generally moral people. I buy and sell a bit on Ebay and Watchuseek, and the general populace there is unscrupulous as compared to the people here. The Ebayers are just loony. If all of acted like the seller in this post, we would be on our way to being Ebay.
 
Popsickle said:
It's obvious the lynch mob is still in full effect. I think that is an absolutely ludacris and disgusting comparison. Have you ever made a mistake that you not only stepped forward and admitted but would not be forgiven? I don't disagree with this being out in the public light but I do disagree with The overall negative outlook of one sale as opposed to over 130 great ones. To call someone a scam artist over a single lapse in judgement is a fallacy on its own

Also, by definition a fallacy is an argument with poor reasoning. He broke a rule, but he did not scam anyone out of money. That would imply that he stole or swindled someone. The person got a product that he agreed to pay a price for. This broke a forum rule and did not sit well with the buyer. The seller openly agreed he did wrong and came clean. But I will give credit where credit is due..... He came clean. I understand now why he hasn't posted here, it would only fuel the lynch mob fire. In all reality what more needs to be said? I personally wouldn't ever take the course of action the seller chose to follow because morally it was wrong, but I don't think he should be burnt at the stake for making an error in judgement.

So now, please educate me on how my reasoning is poor, because I would not hesitate to say your above comment fits the definition of the word you feel you have so aptly used.
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No lynch mob, just concerned forum members. Like I said before, (as a member) I don't care if someone wants to flip a knife for profit, but don't sell me something you don't quite own yet. Anyway, why not just tell the buyer, "you want one,hit up Kershaw guy". As far as 130 great ones goes, I always have though twice about buying from folks that seemingly "live" their forum existence in the Exchange area. All you need to do is look at the total posts and subtract the ones from the Exchange. Look at the feedback, it's almost like a dealer level.

Coming clean privately is one thing, but once again this wasn't a private deal. It was conducted on a publicly viewable community forum. Why not post and say, "Yeppers, I acted like a jerk to get some money". Hiding and ignoring things always makes this worse. It's like when you tell a lie, and you need to lie again to cover up the initial one, then the process repeats itself. Let's put the cap back on the bottle of righteous indignation shall we?
 
jill jackson said:
You think it's fine to break rules and lie to gain an easy buck, you're as bad as bigbrad.
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Lol you clearly pick and choose what you are when peoe post. I have posted and will repeat that I do not condone lieing or breaking rules. Yours nuts lady lol
 
For you to blatantly attack me is rediculous. You will never find not hear o wrong doing on my end because I take the extra steps to make a deal go smoothly from my end.
 
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