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He lied. That is enough in my book to make him the bad guy. Lying has a corrosive effect on a community. It cultivates an air of suspicion and distrust.
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BigBrad75 - Slimey Behavior
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I have to disagree with you completely.
BigBrad was very shady with this whole ordeal, he lied to the op throughout, and admitted to it. Then he doesn't have the decency to reply to this thread, but can put up a smart A$$ signature line commenting on his easy money.
It was wrong of BigBrad to do this! Even if he had good intentions about buying the knife from KG and then having KG send it to the op, he should've communicated it and should not have lied to the op throughout all the emails saying he was shipping it out and that he had to put it in a crush proof box.
In the end, I wont conduct business with Big Brad because of his dishonesty.
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Like I said before, I knew what the price of the knives was from a dealer. I was prepared to pay the premium and had no issue with that. I also received a brand new in box knife, obviously no issue there.
The issue I have is with the greed, lying, and lack of ethics and respect. Even if I caught him in these lies and he not only admitted to it (like he did), but apologized for it and seemed genuine, I would have let it go and not started a thread like this. Instead, he admitted to it, tried to play it down, did not apologize, and actually had the balls to say I was overreacting.
Conjuring up means to feel ripped off? I don't feel ripped off. I feel like BigBrad75 is a slimey, shady member of the forums for what he did and I think people deserve to know about it.
I understand what happened.
I just wonder if maybe the seller did exactly what he said he did. Put his knife up for sale, and rather than sell the "new/ used/ handled" knife in his possession, had his new one sent direct to the buyer. If it went down exaclty like that, he didn't take advantage of the buyer right? He opted to send him a knife from an other than agreed upon source, so that the buyer would have the absolute newest knife.
One fishy deal doesn't make a dishonest seller. Was it a bold face lie I missed? I saw the presentation, and it looks to lean that way, but I didn't see it as damning.
After awhile these threads are like the "forwarded" emails at work, a long list of people adding their two cents, and the original email at the very begining, with the details is often overlooked.
And please don't look at it like I am defending either party. I am not, but I can see how this might be getting blown up. Not everyone approaches knife collecting the same way, and I often find myself wondeirng why anyone would collect boxes upon boxes of production blades they don't use. It would pave the way for transactions just like this to occur, and have a seller lookinf at it as a favor, rather than putting ammunition in the hands of a buyer ready to complain.
I don't think it was cool, but can everyone really call the seller a bad seller, for one wierd transaction? I say let him have a little more rope for awhile.
the email exchange as we were shown said:
And please don't look at it like I am defending either party. I am not, but I can see how this might be getting blown up. Not everyone approaches knife collecting the same way, and I often find myself wondeirng why anyone would collect boxes upon boxes of production blades they don't use. It would pave the way for transactions just like this to occur, and have a seller lookinf at it as a favor, rather than putting ammunition in the hands of a buyer ready to complain.
I don't think it was cool, but can everyone really call the seller a bad seller, for one wierd transaction? I say let him have a little more rope for awhile.
I am seeing that at your prospective, and the evidence is a little weak on the damning components of your complaint.
Now when you went on to say "I feel like BigBrad75 is a slimey,,,," I couldn't argue with any word of it. And people now know how you feel about it.
Mission accomplished.
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BigBrad75 recently posted a For Sale thread for the recently released ZT 0560CBCF in s110v. I had been looking for one and dealers seemed to be out. I wasn't down for waiting, so I paid the premium of $455 shipped to acquire one of those beauties. Anyway, that's not the issue. What ensued throughout the deal is pretty slimey and fairly unethical. I would not be doing all of you justice if I didn't bring this occurrence to light.
Let me preface by saying I received the knife, brand new in box, great specimen. Nothing wrong there.
What BigBrad75 did do is buy the knife from Dave Anderson (kershawguy) for $385 and have him ship the knife directly to me. Dave has no fault in this, as he was unaware what was going on, and is truly angry at the situation as well since the facts came to light. Essentially, BigBrad75 made a profit off a knife that he did not even have in his possession. Not only that, but he misled me the entire time in our email conversation, frequently referring to how he spoke to the clerk at the PO and how he even bought a special crush-proof box to ship the knife in.
My suspicions began when the knife arrived with Dave Anderson's return address, packed in his normal boxes with standard brown paper wrap and all. I am a repeat customer of Dave's, so I've seen this exact packing many times.
When questioned about it, BigBrad75 did not deny it. He admitted to what he did. However, there was absolutely no apology or any attempt to make what he did right. I will post the email conversation from the start of the deal to the end of the deal below for everyone to see.
BigBrad75 says:
Hey, $450 sounds good, if you could send it via paypal gift that would be great, paypal to
*********@hotmail.com asap, or please let me know if you don't want it. Thanks for the inquiry..
Brad
NYOutdoors says:
Unfortunately I don't use the Gift option like that...is it still OK for $450?
BigBrad75 says:
Hey, the fees on it would be around fifteen dollars, so would you be ok with adding $5 to the total to kinda help with the fees?
BigBrad75 says:
Just please let me know either way as soon as possible, another member had actually pm'd me right before your email but I hadn't seen it until just now...
NYOutdoors says:
Ok $455 is incoming
NYOutdoors says:
Payment sent, can you ship tomorrow USPS priority?
BigBrad75 says:
Payment received, I'll let you know when it ships... (priority mail)
Thanks
NYOutdoors says:
Thanks for working with me man! Will it go out tomorrow?
NYOutdoors says:
Hi Brad,
Just touching base and hoping the knife went out today. If you have it, tracking number would be great.
BigBrad75 says:
here's the tracking info, it is shipped insured, and trackable, and the clerk assured us that it would be there by Friday, please let me know when it shows up.
*************
Thanks,
BRAD
NYOutdoors says:
Thank you!
Ouch...first class. Had more than one problem with them "guaranteeing" it will be delivered on a certain day. I wish you would have done Priority. Small flat rate isn't too much.
BigBrad75 says:
Yea I know but the zt box wouldn't fit in a small flat rate and I bought a crush proof box to ship it in and I told them to ship it priority but when I checked the tracking number I saw it was first class but it'll still be there by Friday. Sorry
BigBrad75 says:
Looks like the ZT is being delivered today, Thursday. Quick enough for ya? Apparently first class aint that bad!I think as long as it's insured they treat it the same as they would priority... Let me know what you think about it! Thanks. Hope you're not mad, never heard back from ya after that last email response. Talk to you soon.
Brad
NYOutdoors says:
ops, sorry for not getting back to you. All is well that ends well! I wasn't mad, just hopeful it would get here on time. Thank you sir! I'll let you know when I have it in hand.
NYOutdoors says:
Hi,
Got the knife. Curious why the return address is Dave Anderson from kershawguy.com and why it is packed exactly as he does, in the same exact boxes he uses.
BigBrad75 says:
Had that one drop shipped from Dave, just easier to relay what he said about the shipping process than to explain that. Glad it got there so quickly. Hope you like it.
NYOutdoors says:
So you didn't even have the knife in your possession and you turned a profit on it? Telling me "it should go out tomorrow, but you know, life happens" and that you bought a special box and told the clerk to ship it priority?
Awfully slimey in my opinion...
NYOutdoors says:
Don't you think?
BigBrad75 says:
Yes I agree. But like I said, just passing along the info he had told me. I asked him it it would go out tomorrow, and that's what he said, and I asked him to ship small priority, and he said that it wouldn't fit in the small priority and he used the crush proof boxes and they were just as fast as priority. I'm not saying what I did was right, but I was just back what he had said, just leaving out the fact that it was being drop shipped. I do agree it was slimy, and I shouldn't have done it like that, or even at all.
NYOutdoors says:
This situation has been brought to the attention of Bladeforums moderators. I can't, in all good conscience, let this go unnoticed. On paper, you are one of the most trustworthy members of the community, with 100% positive feedback and over 100 ratings. People automatically trust you and your ethics, while it's obvious from this situation you are lacking morals and ethics in some respects.
I also find it amusing that caught red handed, you simply admit to it. Not even the slightest gesture to make up for it or even an apology. Hopefully you realize that being slimey and greedy has consequences.
BigBrad75 says:
Cool. Can't say I blame you. What I did was against the rules. Out of all the years I've been a member, I break a rule once, yes once, this was the first time I have ever done anything like this, and I had what I considered to be good reasons, but whatever helps you to sleep at night I suppose. You act like what I did was just an ungodly act of terrorism. You received your knife in two days time, completely brand new as described. I just thought that it made sense to save the shipping costs being that I didn't need it because I already had one, and instead of sending you the one that I've played with a few times, I opted to have him send you the brand new one. Go ahead, and do whatever you feel you have to do. I broke no crimes, I did break a rule on Bladeforums, and I do feel badly for that. I don't quite understand your anger personally, and you would have gotten more of an apology had you not acted like a dick since day one. Please refrain from contacting me anymore, I don't see why you continue to antagonize this situation. Thanks and have a good day, hopefully we can both learn something from this.
That's the end of the emails, as he asked me to stop contacting him. I realize he has over 100 feedback ratings, 100% positive. It is difficult to believe that someone with that level of feedback would do this. However, unethical and slimey is what it is...and it needs to be said.
I have hi-lighted everything in the op's Post that is slimey per say. I am well aware of the original post as I have been watching this thread since the beginning hoping BigBrad would chime in; which he still has not.
Big Brad made it seem like he physically went to the post office and talk to a "clerk" and got a special crush proof box which was B.S.
He also was asked to ship it priority and ended up shipping first class. The op specifically requested priority. Brad copt it up to the "Clerks" fault because they didn't listen to him. even though this never happened anyways.
after that when confronted he admitted it was a "slimey" deal and that the OP was being a "dick" and that's why he (op) didn't get a better apology.
I don't see how this could not be "slimey behavior"!
now I know you have no affiliation with this BigBrad and I know your not taking his side but I think that the "ammunition on the fire" you're referring to is soundly just. And not only that but Big Brad is doing nothing but dumping Gasoline on the fire by not posting his side of the story.
Just my .02
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Ron, you already know this but it bears repeating. Bladeforums, and the Exchange in particular runs on the honesty and integrity of its members. There have been all kinds of people pass through these halls long before I even registered here. However, some people have used this place in a manner that was found reprehensible by our community at large.
It happens to be against the rules to sell an item that is not in your possession. It similar to the old bait and switch. I can see the edits made to the original sales thread and it did not indicate, "I can have one just like this drop shipped to you." We can ask 1,000 "what ifs", but the problem was a build up to something that turned out to be untrue. For that act of greed and dishonesty, an infraction was given. Personally, I don't care of someone wants to buy a knife and flip it for 1,000% profit, just be honest about it and make sure it's something you own befor submitting the thread.
It happens to be against the rules to sell an item that is not in your possession. It similar to the old bait and switch. I can see the edits made to the original sales thread and it did not indicate, "I can have one just like this drop shipped to you." We can ask 1,000 "what ifs", but the problem was a build up to something that turned out to be untrue. For that act of greed and dishonesty, an infraction was given. Personally, I don't care of someone wants to buy a knife and flip it for 1,000% profit, just be honest about it and make sure it's something you own befor submitting the thread.
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Some people seem to think lying and deceit are acceptable, or "no big deal." It is not uncommon in our society. One thing I have found, you can't win an argument with those people. They truly do not understand our perspective.
I agree, Big Brads presence would lend this story some resoution maybe.
The community is often collectively correct, even if we disagree on the details. If he is a dirt bag, I don't think it will take too long to find out a lot of people are watching him.
i'm amazed at the ammount of dishonest people out there that cheat people out of their money, knives or both. i hope brad mans up and gives nyoutdoors the difference back from what i think is a very dishonest deal. i wonder if he really thinks that the ammount of profit he made is worth being banned from the forum and his name being bad news all over the internet and on other forums to where nobody will do business with you. greed will get you nowhere fast.
If this many promptings/hints/suggestions and/or attempts at guidance needs to be given and offered for someone to step-up/man-up to perhaps having acted dishonorably, it makes little sense in attempting to continue to lead the horse to water....he simply ain't having any.
That it obviously never occured early on to offer to make amends before the promptings really started stacking up and gaining momentum......is as telling as most here should really need to know before being able to draw their own informed and reasoned decisions.
I choose to deal with people with integrity.....those with integrity all of the time. That someone might rarely 'slip up' or make a 'mistake' which has quite obviously several more ear marks of a lack of integrity than not (by his own admission), is no excuse, or even sound judgement by some, to suggest that the majority here need to cut the man some slack as if not enough facts are known to have occured........IMHO.
Mistakes are simply that......mistakes. Lying, no matter the intention nor the result, is still lying. When such behavior is known, such as is undeniably the case here, I choose to apply the 'one and done' policy.
Just my couple pennies worth.........
That it obviously never occured early on to offer to make amends before the promptings really started stacking up and gaining momentum......is as telling as most here should really need to know before being able to draw their own informed and reasoned decisions.
I choose to deal with people with integrity.....those with integrity all of the time. That someone might rarely 'slip up' or make a 'mistake' which has quite obviously several more ear marks of a lack of integrity than not (by his own admission), is no excuse, or even sound judgement by some, to suggest that the majority here need to cut the man some slack as if not enough facts are known to have occured........IMHO.
Mistakes are simply that......mistakes. Lying, no matter the intention nor the result, is still lying. When such behavior is known, such as is undeniably the case here, I choose to apply the 'one and done' policy.
Just my couple pennies worth.........
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Wow. 
I've been following this thread since it started hoping Bigbrad would respond in some way.....unless I missed it this doesn't appear to have happened. Just noticed he posted a new for sale thread in the custom exchange however! Quite the guy.....based on this dishonest behavior, he's on my "do not deal with" list.
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Has bigbrad been on here to see this thread? Anyone know? If he has and is aware of it, his silence says it all to me.
Guess he's hoping y'all will get bored and let this thread fade away? Pretty poor way to handle a legitimate complaint, imho.
If he hasn't seen and isn't aware, I retract my statement and apologize of jumping the gun.
Guess he's hoping y'all will get bored and let this thread fade away? Pretty poor way to handle a legitimate complaint, imho.
If he hasn't seen and isn't aware, I retract my statement and apologize of jumping the gun.
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