Black blades and sheeple

I do not believe that being a knife enthusiast makes anybody a better person. It does not make anybody any smarter, any cooler or any more likable. So the sense of superiority is probably false. It does not require much of anything to shock people around you showing off with your big/small, cheap/expensive, black/satin finished blade.
So if somebody uses a "sheeple" term - would not it make him "a bit of a" snob? :rolleyes:
I think having a sense of proportion, an understanding of local law, and a bit of common sense does make someone a better person. People don't have to like knives to be good people, but I think they ought to demonstrate a little understanding and judgment. Sheeple are not average persons, they are not a regular non-knife knut, they are the ones with an unreasonable reaction to knives. I don't respect the attitude of sheeple because they don't respect my decision to exercise my legal right in an innocuous and measured way.
 
I do not believe that being a knife enthusiast makes anybody a better person. It does not make anybody any smarter, any cooler or any more likable. So the sense of superiority is probably false. It does not require much of anything to shock people around you showing off with your big/small, cheap/expensive, black/satin finished blade.
So if somebody uses a "sheeple" term - would not it make him "a bit of a" snob? :rolleyes:

You do have a very valid point there but, there are a lot of people out there that get scared of a pocket clip. I don't believe in the "if you want to carry it them carry it" because that's not how the law goes. I believe of being smart with your actions and not showing off in front of people. I carry a bali because I love to flip. It helps keep the stress levels down and also helps with my ADHD. But when I'm carrying it I make wise decisions, I don't pull it out in the middle of a store and start flipping or even to usually use it. The only time I open it in a store is at somewhere like home depo. I usually only flip around my friends out of sight of anybody else.
 
I think having a sense of proportion, an understanding of local law, and a bit of common sense does make someone a better person. People don't have to like knives to be good people, but I think they ought to demonstrate a little understanding and judgment. Sheeple are not average persons, they are not a regular non-knife knut, they are the ones with an unreasonable reaction to knives. I don't respect the attitude of sheeple because they don't respect my decision to exercise my legal right in an innocuous and measured way.

There will always be those people that are very thin skinned and or are very opinionated about things so they make a huge issue out of everything.

It does seem that there are more of those types around as time goes on though.
 
Just carry what you want to. If someone is scared enough to complain or say something then it doesn't make a difference if it's a 3" or 4" satin or black coated.

Don't act retarded with your knives in public and it should help with your problems.

Over the years I have had plenty of coworkers get shocked when they saw my knives. But they knew me and know I wouldn't use them to hurt anyone. I can see where someone that doesn't know you would freak out, but a coworker. Someone that knows you? You should be able to calm them down.

Perhaps if you had a child that was mentally retarded you would not be so cavalier about using this term the way you do.
 
The "go pack sand" attitude is precisely why we have to have organizations like Knife Rights to protect our ability to carry knives. It hasn't been that long since most everyone used to carry a knife. Now it's far less common, and we have people who get scared of them.

Many people, particularly those who like to use the term "sheeple," like to blame it all on the people who are scared, or call them unreasonable. Their reasoning stops there. But why not ask HOW those people came to exist in the first place, from a nation of knife carriers who built in the right to bear arms into the very fabric of the constitution. Could it be because there were and are people who use their blades irresponsibly, and maybe even cause injury? Could it be scary to have someone flaunting an object that could be dangerous, and telling you to pack sand when you express your concern? Could the prevalence of mall ninjas and the relative lack of responsible users have anything to do with the existence of "sheeple"?

The simple fact of that matter is that knives have gone from being tools to being potential weapons in the view of the public. And it's not without cause, or that shift never could have taken place. And it didn't take place because of people who don't carry knives, because *surprise,* those people don't carry knives, and thus have no opportunity to be irresponsible with them. The blame rests with knife carriers, and the responsibility to correct that misapprehension rests with us as well.

To my mind, we have a RESPONSIBILITY to use our knives safely, and to demonstrate their utility. There are many circumstances in everyday life where a knife is very handy. What does it hurt to demonstrate that fact, without denigrating our coworkers? What does it cost you to be polite? If we pass knives on to our children, and educate them on responsible use, and more, we help others see that knives are useful tools that are worth carrying, that will do more to protect our rights and eradicate "sheeple" than anything else. You may think that these people are unreasonable, but many of them have good reason to fear knives, and that has everything to do with your own attitude. Sure, there are some people who are very irrational. But you can still plant a seed, and if most of your coworkers understand and appreciate your attitude about knives, then you've won. If you tell them all to pack sand, you're probably going to get fired, or be the impetus for more people voting to ban knives entirely.
 
The "go pack sand" attitude is precisely why we have to have organizations like Knife Rights to protect our ability to carry knives. It hasn't been that long since most everyone used to carry a knife. Now it's far less common, and we have people who get scared of them.

Many people, particularly those who like to use the term "sheeple," like to blame it all on the people who are scared, or call them unreasonable. Their reasoning stops there. But why not ask HOW those people came to exist in the first place, from a nation of knife carriers who built in the right to bear arms into the very fabric of the constitution. Could it be because there were and are people who use their blades irresponsibly, and maybe even cause injury? Could it be scary to have someone flaunting an object that could be dangerous, and telling you to pack sand when you express your concern? Could the prevalence of mall ninjas and the relative lack of responsible users have anything to do with the existence of "sheeple"?

The simple fact of that matter is that knives have gone from being tools to being potential weapons in the view of the public. And it's not without cause, or that shift never could have taken place. And it didn't take place because of people who don't carry knives, because *surprise,* those people don't carry knives, and thus have no opportunity to be irresponsible with them. The blame rests with knife carriers, and the responsibility to correct that misapprehension rests with us as well.

To my mind, we have a RESPONSIBILITY to use our knives safely, and to demonstrate their utility. There are many circumstances in everyday life where a knife is very handy. What does it hurt to demonstrate that fact, without denigrating our coworkers? What does it cost you to be polite? If we pass knives on to our children, and educate them on responsible use, and more, we help others see that knives are useful tools that are worth carrying, that will do more to protect our rights and eradicate "sheeple" than anything else. You may think that these people are unreasonable, but many of them have good reason to fear knives, and that has everything to do with your own attitude. Sure, there are some people who are very irrational. But you can still plant a seed, and if most of your coworkers understand and appreciate your attitude about knives, then you've won. If you tell them all to pack sand, you're probably going to get fired, or be the impetus for more people voting to ban knives entirely.


Sure...

Look at how knives are used in movies and on TV....

Also it depends on how people grew up and who their friends and family were.

And yes there are plenty of idiots and other types of complete morons that are carrying knives and flash them around ect.

The SD crowd is not doing us any favors at all when it comes to positive reinforcement of proper knife use, they add to the problem in a big way in other words.
 
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I kinda wonder how much effect movies really have. If a person is scared of a knife in the first place, they're probably not the kind of person who is going to go see a movie where a knife is used irresponsibly. And I doubt the average person really focuses on the knife in the movies, except for the knife enthusiast, who is the root of the problem anyways. If movies caused sheeple, I don't doubt that we'd be banning magazines and newspapers and pens and such, after the Bourne movies, among others.
 
I kinda wonder how much effect movies really have. If a person is scared of a knife in the first place, they're probably not the kind of person who is going to go see a movie where a knife is used irresponsibly. And I doubt the average person really focuses on the knife in the movies, except for the knife enthusiast, who is the root of the problem anyways. If movies caused sheeple, I don't doubt that we'd be banning magazines and newspapers and pens and such, after the Bourne movies, among others.

People watch all kinds of different movies and TV shows. ;)

Do you think sheeple are just watching the Disney channel or Lifetime?

Come on now, be realistic....
 
Well, the "sheeple" that I know don't generally watch movies like, say, the Expendables or Machete. And if they do, they're not zeroing in on the knives and the way they're used. I'm not saying media doesn't have an effect. I just question how GREAT of an effect it has on a sheeple vs a knife nut or mall ninja. It's the latter that I think pose more of a threat to our right to carry knives than the former.
 
Well, the "sheeple" that I know don't generally watch movies like, say, the Expendables or Machete. And if they do, they're not zeroing in on the knives and the way they're used. I'm not saying media doesn't have an effect. I just question how GREAT of an effect it has on a sheeple vs a knife nut or mall ninja. It's the latter that I think pose more of a threat to our right to carry knives than the former.

The power of the Media is HUGE and has a much larger effect on the general population than most people would ever think it does. ;)
 
Crimson, crimes committed with knives are usually committed with kitchen knives-the fearful tactical folder has done next to nothing to contribute to crime. You suggest that all the sheeple were made by being exposed to gratuitous flaunting, threatening, and accosting with knives. Please show some proof. I would venture to guess that it is the exact opposite cause. There are people who are scared of knives because they don't think about knives, they don't understand knives, and therefore don't know how to act around knives. They weren't threatened by a knife, but they have been groomed to view a knife as threatening. And this paranoid "you'll get fired for adhering to company policy and restrictive laws will be written, voted on, passed, and enforced overnight" is unfounded.

And it is nothing but unreasonable to have a reaction to me taking out my knife, cutting something, and putting it away. I don't flaunt, taunt, or brandish. Yet that's all we get lectured about. Guess what, most of us here don't need the lesson. You also aren't educating the ignorant, because they wouldn't be ignorant to knives if they were bothering to browse this forum. The lambasting is misdirected and wasted.
 
I carry fixed blades and folders at work and years later people still ask me if I'm carrying a crocodile dundee/rambo knife... not my co-workers, we all use knives, and one of them is actually thinking about getting a fixed blade for herself (yep, female). I did a stone sharpening training a month ago and they are actually starting to do it by themselves instead of handing their knives to me to do it.

But it seems like neophites prefer black coated blades. One of my best friends, whom I have been educating regarding what makes some knives good and others not so good, actually gets pissed when I strip or 2-tone a blade. A couple of years ago he said he wanted a Rambo II black knife and I got it as a christmas present for him. Even tho he still cherishes the knife, he has his sights set on a Ka-Bar heavy Bowie now - progress, indeed!
 
And it is nothing but unreasonable to have a reaction to me taking out my knife, cutting something, and putting it away. I don't flaunt, taunt, or brandish. Yet that's all we get lectured about.

MOST of us don't. I'd venture to say you weren't at all who my comments were directed at. I would have thought that was obvious, but perhaps not. My comments were directed more at people who would rather tell people off than be polite and responsible. I realize that there are not that many mall ninjas on Blade Forums. But responsible knife users, even around here, aren't as common as irresponsible ones. You are the type of person who IS beneficial, because you use a knife casually as a tool. I'm arguing that that's a good thing.

I don't know where you're from, but I'm from a sheeple area, raised by sheeple parents, and most of my friends would be classified as sheeple. That has given me a lot of perspective on what motivates their fear. Around here, it's fairly common to see kids flashing their tactical folders and seeing how fast they can flick them open, with as much flash as possible. I don't think it's unreasonable to find that threatening, and I'd like to see knife users be a bit more united in demonstrating that knives aren't weapons. Those of us who use our knives more like you do very rarely seem to get in trouble. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. But I think there should be a little thought put into how such a paradigm shift could have taken place.

With regards to your comment about crime and kitchen knives, I don't see how that pertains. I don't mention crime at all in my argument.


There are people who are scared of knives because they don't think about knives, they don't understand knives, and therefore don't know how to act around knives. They weren't threatened by a knife, but they have been groomed to view a knife as threatening.

How exactly does such grooming take place? If you say it's the media, perhaps that's because there was an incident involving an irresponsible knife user? This "grooming" doesn't take place without some sort of impetus. In order for people to see a knife as threatening, there's got to be a reason behind it.


And this paranoid "you'll get fired for adhering to company policy and restrictive laws will be written, voted on, passed, and enforced overnight" is unfounded.

Three of my colleagues at my old job were fired for flashing their pocket knives. It was not against company policy to carry a pocket knife, but they repeatedly flashed them in front of other coworkers, and told people who complained about it that it was none of their business. That's the kind of attitude that encourages people to become "sheeple." PROVE to me that such an attitude is helpful.

As for the "being passed overnight" nonsense, again, point out where I say anything of the sort. In fact, my point is that change IS slow, so it's not too late for us to step up and be an example. But if law changes weren't a concern, what about that DA in New York City. Why does Knife Rights exist at all, if we don't have to worry? It sounds very much to me like you're advocating the ostrich strategy for protecting our rights. Stick our heads in the sand and pretend it's not a problem.

Most of us here on Blade Forums, as you say, are responsible, and leaders in the fight to protect our rights. But there are clearly those who would rather tell people off and call them sheeple. That's not productive; in fact, it's counter productive. And the insistence that those people are "nothing but unreasonable" demonstrates a clear lack of perspective. Sun Tzu's adage to know one's enemy applies here just as well as it does in war. Understanding WHY someone might feel threatened by your pocket knife goes a long way towards knowing how we can act to change that perspective to match one that we feel is more reasonable.

If you're not the sort of person who would strike people as being threatening, they won't care even if you have a giant knife. If people are intimidated by the fact that you have a knife, it's probably nothing to do with the knife, and everything to do with your attitude. If you just keep to yourself most times, and they feel like you're just going to tell them off, and possibly get belligerent, I would be worried about you having a knife also. Take Crocodile Dundee for an example. Most sheeple that I know don't find his character threatening, even though he carries GIANT knives all the time. Why might that be?
 
I think most of the knife-o-phobia stems from the fact that knives are easily available to anyone (kitchen knives anyway) and most people have had their share of cuts. So when they see a knife in a pocket, the alarm goes off as, for them, that is not the place for a knife as it belongs in the kitchen drawer; it's even worse if it is a fixed blade. The thought of that sliced finger while chopping onions gets amplified by a knife that is obviously not made for kitchen duties.
 
I do not believe that being a knife enthusiast makes anybody a better person. It does not make anybody any smarter, any cooler or any more likable. So the sense of superiority is probably false. It does not require much of anything to shock people around you showing off with your big/small, cheap/expensive, black/satin finished blade.
So if somebody uses a "sheeple" term - would not it make him "a bit of a" snob? :rolleyes:

Agreed. Well said :thumbup:

The use of the term "sheeple" in the knife community is laughable. Anybody who doesn't admire and use knives the way the rest of us do is a "sheep"? Come on; there is more than enough Follow The Leader going on in the knife community (and everywhere else you can look).

If somebody freaks out on me about a knife clipped in my pocket [it has happened only once], I will keep cool and act as a reasonable emissary of the knife-admiring community. An easygoing explanation of the knife-as-tool should suffice. If somebody persists in freaking out on me about a knife clipped in my pocket [it has happened only once], I will ask them what the hell they are doing looking at my pockets and make the problem about them. Sometimes it's not the knives that cause a stir. There are just assholes out there. The world is full of them.

99% of my experience has been people noticing a knife being used, then maybe making an awkward comment, then asking to check it out. I always offer it up to them and explain the lock mechanism (or lack thereof) so they don't cut themselves. Then there is a sudden transition to being asked to use it for this and that and every little string that needs to be cut all the time. People dig the usefulness of knives when shown the light :thumbup::cool::thumbup:
 
No problems yet =) Well, I haven't carried around a knife with a black blade since the first knife I carried (still have a CS bowie machete in my backpack, but that's different). That knife I carried just a couple short years ago was one I dare not mention here, for fear of staining your eyes. But I've pulled that out several times, in a college class, to cut frayed string and also to sharpen my pencil. I don't think most people look for that, and I was usually discreet, so that could be a reason.

Anyway, there is a large amount of social engineering and fear mongering perpetuated by prominent figures on the topic of knife and firearm use. It would be nice and more easily handled if our own actions (both as knife and non-knife owners and users) were the only deciding factors for this shift. There are many people with a lot of power and money who want things a certain way and have the means to do so. Still, what we need to do doesn't change much. It is our responsibility to educate others and lead by example.

I still hang out with some close friends of mine that I have known since my childhood. Most of us grew up being non-knife and non-gun people, just like many of those whom are being discussed here. It's only within the last couple years that I've started purchasing, using, and carrying those things. And I make it known to those same friends. It kinda started when one of them brought a cheapo tourist knife they got in Belize (who has since purchased a cheapo fake samurai sword, but he thinks it's the cat's meow, so why ruin it?). It's as if something inside me had awoken and screamed to my current self, "You fool! What have you been waiting for all these years?!". Well, I'm happy to say that my friends have always been understanding, and some are even warming up to the idea. Not in the political scene, mind you, we have our separate ideas about that.

It also doesn't help that I am probably the most armed person out of the house in a 100-mile radius, putting it on kinda strong there... Still, it's not an issue. Barely a comment once in a while, and nobody makes a big deal out of it. It's all good around here :thumbup:
 
How exactly does such grooming take place? If you say it's the media, perhaps that's because there was an incident involving an irresponsible knife user? This "grooming" doesn't take place without some sort of impetus. In order for people to see a knife as threatening, there's got to be a reason behind it.

People are very imperishable and their parents do instill their own values and opinions into their kids at an early age.

Also friends can and do have a huge influence in how people think, like ect. For some people their friends and their opinions ect are more important than anything else, women are especially susceptible to this.

The why's don't matter at all, it's just what their friends like or what opinions they have on certian subjects.

Not everyone grows up the same way, has the same family and friends, interests ect.

People in general are sheep for the most part so it's rare that someone really has an idea that is truly their own when it comes to most things.

Just look at the trends of what people wear, they call it fashion, trends ect.... I call it being a sheep.....

Very few people can really step outside of Society and that little box that they live in, that takes the ability to really observe what is really going on and really seeing things for what they really are outside of the box.

The Government and the Companies, Media ect know this too and how really easy it is to manipulate the general public in many different ways.

It's really sad how easy it really is. ;)
 
Are you scared of your boss or other coworkers? As long as you are not breaking the law or company policy, tell them to pack sand

Not a great way to keep your job.
Are you perfect? If not, your "idiot" boss can find a way to make you not work there. It happens.
Then, when you have no job, you won't have nice knives...you ever see the crap that welfare and homeless folks own?
 
Yep, but my point is, where do these ideas come from in the first place? You gotta think further than that, and try to get into their mentality some. I admit, it's easier for me, having been raised as a sheeple, and I know all about how parents try to tell you that knives are evil and all that. I can't tell you how many times I got grounded for sharpening table knives, etc. Heck, I got grounded for playing Ocarina of Time, because evidently it was "too violent." I was 16 at the time, and my mom, who grounded me, was the one who bought the game for me in the first place. Now, I make knives for a hobby, and my parents love it. They bring knives to me for sharpening, and have started to carry their own knives.

It works both ways. If they can be convinced that knives are bad, they can be convinced that knives are good. What's the point of reinforcing the bad. Seriously, all I'm asking is that people show a little restraint and be polite, rather than telling other people who are concerned about their knives to "go pack sand," or some other form of telling them that it's not their business what you carry. Is that so hard?
 
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