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Snody does keep it real :)

Looking forward to seeing you this September.
These Phony Knifemakers remind of the Pilgrims that come to the end of the pier where we fish for 10 foot tiger sharks and throw out a Zebco with 6 pound cotton line.. We are running Penn Internationals and 12'0s with 100 pound test and homie shows up with the Zebco and a crappie hook.. I can not stop him from fishing where we fish but there is Zero possibility of young homie catching a 700 pound tiger shark with the $12.00 Walmart fishing pole.. This forum is where the Sharks Swim.. I can not stop anyone from posting here, I am just giving advice to new makers that they are not going to sell their junk to this level of collector.. This is where the Sharks Swim.. These guys are not playing around..
 
Kevin, and all other collectors invested in this forum, need to get a grip and decide what the purpose of this forum is; I would think critiqueing knives is the least of those purposes, locating highly prized knives the highest. And that is how, imho, the forum should function. It would actually be better for makers and collectors. Prizes for best picture, best knife, most improved, best bowie, sword, etc. There's a whole host of things collectors can do to move this site into somthing important. But the least of those is welcoming lower skill levels because we all know you aren't interested in buying those types of knives, are you?
 
As a buyer of knives made by knifemakers, I take umbrage to any knifemaker telling me I need to get a grip. Poor choice of words to those who spend money on makers' products.
 
Kevin, and all other collectors invested in this forum, need to get a grip and decide what the purpose of this forum is; I would think critiqueing knives is the least of those purposes, locating highly prized knives the highest. And that is how, imho, the forum should function. It would actually be better for makers and collectors. Prizes for best picture, best knife, most improved, best bowie, sword, etc. There's a whole host of things collectors can do to move this site into somthing important. But the least of those is welcoming lower skill levels because we all know you aren't interested in buying those types of knives, are you?

What has happened is many of the World Class Top Tier makers have been run off..
They simply will not post here because they are not going to deal with the negative comments..
Once again, I am just telling the truth.

When a professional knifemaker pours his heart and soul into a knife and then posts a professional photograph only to have someone he does not even know tell him that "handle is too big" or "guard is too wide" or "sharpened edge is too thick" or "looks too heavy" or "looks to small" or "looks too big". The majority of these Knifemakers are very independent and they are not going to complicate their lives with this type of thing..

I am not talking about serious collectors like Betzner or Jones, or Garsson once again it is usually someone with no money and no collection just taking shots.

I have a family of four and I need money bad so I will always be here, whether they are nice or mean, I only see green..
Have a great weekend everyone.. Much Respect.
 
What has happened is many of the World Class Top Tier makers have been run off..
They simply will not post here because they are not going to deal with the negative comments..
Once again, I am just telling the truth.
When a professional knifemaker pours his heart and soul into a knife and then posts a professional photograph only to have someone he does not even know tell him that "handle is too big" or "guard is too wide" or "sharpened edge is too thick" or "looks too heavy" or "looks to small" or "looks too big". The majority of these Knifemakers are very independent and there are not going to complicate their lives with this type of thing..

I have a family of four and I need money bad so I will always be here, whether they are nice or mean, I only see green..
Have a great weekend everyone.. Much Respect.

Well said by a guy who is always as REAL as can be.
 
WoW what a great thread some of my favorite folks have chimed in. this is a subject that is close to my heart as I have been the new guy here at one time and gotten my feeling's hurt and after lashing back I came to wish I had thicker skin. but no my skin is thin and I wear my heart on my sleeve. I, too, have seen a change in the forum and miss the way it was just a little. for me when someone posts a knife that is not great unless it is their first knife I will say nothing or try to find something about the knife that I like and comment on that, as to not hurt their feelings. I know this may be wrong. there is a fine line between good critique and being mean. I would love to critique some of the knives I have seen posted only because I think it would help the maker to see what he is not seeing in the design but I never do as I would never want to hurt a makers feelings. I know I know I suck. But I think there is a simple solution to this as we all want to take part and show our knives. if you want your knife critiqued just say all comment's welcome good or Bad. then if someone like myself say's hay I like what you did but your lines are hurting my eye's, your handle does not line up with the blade and it is longer then the blade and that makes it look funny and maybe you should take the time to sand it, other then that it has a nice blade shape and the finish on the wood looks good. I can tell you what I think, without making an enemy, as I would only say something that was true and thought could help that maker.
 
Okay, Bob, I agree, poor choice of words. Didn't mean to upset you or others at all. I honestly don't know why I feel so invested in this site, or why I wish it well, but I do. But the bottom line may not be whether you should offer honest critiques of knives, or whether there is or is not meaningful discussions, but rather, where do you (collectors) want your forum to go? You chart the course.
 
Kevin, and all other collectors invested in this forum, need to get a grip and decide what the purpose of this forum is; I would think critiqueing knives is the least of those purposes, locating highly prized knives the highest. And that is how, imho, the forum should function. It would actually be better for makers and collectors. Prizes for best picture, best knife, most improved, best bowie, sword, etc. There's a whole host of things collectors can do to move this site into somthing important. But the least of those is welcoming lower skill levels because we all know you aren't interested in buying those types of knives, are you?

David I don't need to get a grip as I know what the purpose of this forum is for me and it has nothing to do with locating highly prized knives.
It has to do with my enjoyment of the collecting of custom knives, educating myself, helping and educating newer collectors and knifemakers,
and progressing custom knives in general.
And this forum is already something very important to me, or I would not have spend the time today in creating and following this thread when
I have many other things to do.
 
Okay, Kevin, guess I stuck my foot in it, and as I've already said, my words were poorly choose. But I'm losing track. If all you want is as you've stated, and your only issue was the lack of honest critiques and lack of discussion of more deeply involved issues, what exactly are you saying? If that's it, I'm with Roger, what's keeping you from moving to your own drum? I think I know what this forum means to you, and I surely know what you have done for custom knives, no disrespect meant to you or anyone else.
 
...do you feel the new meeker, gentler, avoid controversy BF Custom Forums is a positive or negative thing for both the forum and the community?

Negative.

Honest opinions, forthrightly stated with a modicum of courtesy, should always be encouraged.
It is the responsibly of the readers, to decide if a specific opinion has validity and if so, to what degree.

My memory may be fading, but Kevin I seem to recall that you have been a leading proponent of the kinder, gentler, blander forum style.

I am slightly surprised you are raising this question.

P

PS

I think it is terribly wrong to limit the critique criteria to matters of technical perfection/execution. If there are no opinions worth expressing about the artistry and flow of a handcrafted blade, lets just pack it in and let the CNC machines do their thing.
 
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Very good thread. I'll pitch in my opinion.

When I first posted here I had posted some elsewhere on BF and was a little nervous about posting here because I felt like this was the next level for me. The reviews might seem brutal at times but they were honest (and very helpful). I wanted to be at a somewhat decent skill level prior to posting.

For some reason that trepidation with new makers is not as prevalent nowadays.

Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, but I do miss the days of calling a turd a turd.

The reason I'm posting is that, although I don't post daily, I do check in several times a day and for me this forum is THE FORUM--period--for hand made knives. As a maker I appreciate reviews and shared opinions.

I'm with Snody in that a maker should try to get his ducks in a row prior to posting anywhere--esp here.

Tad
 
Okay, Kevin, guess I stuck my foot in it, and as I've already said, my words were poorly choose. But I'm losing track. If all you want is as you've stated, and your only issue was the lack of honest critiques and lack of discussion of more deeply involved issues, what exactly are you saying? If that's it, I'm with Roger, what's keeping you from moving to your own drum? I think I know what this forum means to you, and I surely know what you have done for custom knives, no disrespect meant to you or anyone else.

I have already given my reason for no longer critiquing knives on this forum in an earlier post. And I don't create as many of this type of thread as I used to
because I simply don't have time anymore. I only spend about 10% of the time on this forum as I used too. I guess it was last Saturday,
I created the thread on Knife Show Brown Bagging, so for you and Roger, I'm trying to do my best.
 
I haven't been a member as long as some, but I kind of see the change. I am not surprised because people come and go and popular styles change over time. Along the lines of what Chuck G. said, I would love to see more folders on here. I can say that this forum has given me the fixed blade bug, but thats not a bad thing. It opened up that world to me. But still I want to see more variety.

This got me thinking about why I participate in forums. The first reason is to learn whatever I can about knives. The next reason may sound self serving but its the truth. I want to promote my collection and show off whatever I can, whenever I can. I don't collect expensive knives to use as much as I do to look at them, and show them to other people. Part of me does consider knives an investment. Good quality time on a forum increases your buyer pool AND promotes the art as the whole world can see it. Its not only good for my own collection but for the makers. I am a young guy, and I want my collection to remain valuable when I am older and this wont happen if all the knives become forgotten.

Art can be viewed by the owner only and it certainly makes you happy, but I like to show everyone.
 
Negative.

Honest opinions, forthrightly stated with a modicum of courtesy, should always be encouraged.
It is the responsibly of the readers, to decide if a specific opinion has validity and if so, to what degree.

My memory may be fading, but Kevin I seem to recall that you have been a leading proponent of the kinder, gentler, blander forum style.

I am slightly surprised you are raising this question.

P

You're right Peter I was, however I feel we need to find a balance somewhere between posting like scared little school girls and leaving
members butchered and bloody on the forum floor. ;)
 
Sections of these quotes apply, I've pared them down because they represent my feelings on this, I don't have any pedigree, other than handling quite a few customs, from users to actual safe queens worth thousands.

Interpretation through static images on a forum is just too subjective to offer criticism that could possibly benefit anyone or have a positive effect on anything..

This is the honest truth, I can't feel the balance, I can't see it in the sun light, and nothing beats my near sighted eyes for perspective, Coop does amazing things, but even that level of photography pales in comparison.

My name has come up often. I am thankful to be in such high esteem.

One of the things STeven (Kohai99) told me (in private) was my posts bear more weight than the average poster. It was for this reason he openly fought with me on my position on a past display thread. We made up (I hope), but that impression has stuck with me.

Funny, in the past we've discussed how, unless honest critique is asked for, it's rarely going to be received well. One thought: Create one of those post title banners: "Opinions wanted". Once that's in the title, then the natives will circle the wagons. See how infrequent it may be used, though.

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Good stuff being tossed out here.

Coop

Absolutely, I don't offer feedback. What weight do I carry? However if a maker takes a few dozen photographs and asks for opinions, I'd probably give them, based on the limited medium.

Two of the biggest problems I see with critiques are:

1) They are most often made by those who have never themselves made a knife and held it up for scrutiny. They may well be possessed of an exceedingly high level of expertise, but never having stood in the shoes of those they criticize, they don't perhaps appreciate the blood sweat and tears that goes into the product regardless of the ultimate result. Such experience, I suspect, might well produce more truly constructive criticism and less contemptuous dismissal of another's efforts that the individual offering the critique couldn't hope to match.

Just to be clear - I'm just saying that's my approach - it's certainly not the only way to go about things. Some feel that any knife posted is up for criticism - fine - go ahead. Just try to be actually constructive and try also to bring the same thickness of skin you expect of the maker you are critiquing.

Roger

Getting into this, this is where makers need to decide what they want to hear, it's as much about makers having the thickness of skin to hear opinions on something they've poured their heart and soul into. I agree that criticism should be as constructive as possible.

Critics are not (necessarily) mentors.

I will add that if you enter a mentor roll, criticism is key in establishing the level of excellence required.

(W)hat's keeping you from moving to your own drum?

Again, exactly this, as Coop stated, communication, especially written can be difficult, time consuming and worst, could be ineffective.

I enjoy browsing through here and hope that this forum can excel, but I don' think that will happen unless open and courteous dialog such as seen in this thread becomes more consistent.
 
You're right Peter I was, however I feel we need to find a balance somewhere between posting like scared little school girls and leaving
members butchered and bloody on the forum floor. ;)

+1

The only way to find a balance is to occasionally test the limits.
 
I will say up front I am a new maker, one year and six knives in. Due to obligations I dont get as much shop time as I wish I did and the productivity of my shop time is slow because I almost exclusively use hand tools like files ect. I had a pro photo of the sixth knife and offered it up for comments, critiques and opinions.

I received some and as a result have changed benefited from them. Roger gave his opinion, as did Kevin and others and the reasoning behind them, very helpful. I was hoping STeven would comment and critique as well as others of the "old guard".

If someone was able to hurt my feelings that would only fuel me more to prove that my next work would meet thier standards, if I found any viable reasoning behind thier critique.

I may never complete more than a dozen knives in a year but I want those dozen to be the best possible work I can do. I can only benefit by getting honest opinions and critiques, at least that's my perspective. So I will post my work with the " comments, critiques and opinions welcome"

Chris
 
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I agree Chuck, a fine line. IMO, personal preference doesn't play a part in a good critique of a knife. It has more to do with the
assessment of quality of execution of all the elements.

PS
I think it is terribly wrong to limit the critique criteria to matters of technical perfection/execution. If there are no opinions worth expressing about the artistry and flow of a handcrafted blade, lets just pack it in and let the CNC machines do their thing.

Peter, if you are refering to my definition of a good knife critique, notice I stated "assessment of quality of execution of all the elements".
Opinions on artistry and flow should imo be measured under execution of design.
 
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