Bowie knife

I have "in transit" an Ontario Frontiersman's Bowie, with a standard Ontario soft-grip handle and a long Bagwellesque blade, just so I can say I offer a big knife. Has anybody handled one of them yet?

And, concerning the Ontario-Bagwell Bowies, how does the Gambler (the one without that "blade catcher" guard) rate as a big utility knife, for those of us who will (sensibly) only imagine a high-risk life style on the lower Mississippi in the eary 19th century?

Of course, If I was thinking pure practicality in a "full size" fixed blade, I probably wouldn't be in this thread, but I'd be looking at something between a "Kabar" and the various high-end modern combat-utility knives.

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Can someone please post a picture of the Ontario Bagwell Bowie and a place were it can be purchased reasonably.

Oops, I'm not supposed to be buying any more knives!
 
WOW!! And I don't say that lightly.

Mr. Ishida, if you are still reading, the pictures of the Bagwell "Gambler" that Dew lists access codes for are the closest that I've yet seen in modern production to the few limited "Bowie period" knives that I've seen. The dimensions look to be about right, too. Though I haven't seen a posted blade thickness, yet. I'm not sure how authentic that coffin handle shape is, but the blade shape is remarkably close to some Alamo, and just post Alamo blades that I've seen maybe 14 yrs ago in the collection of a period specialist. Whether Alamo, and post Alamo are really relevant in a Bowie discussion is perhaps a relevent question in it's own right, since who the heck knows what really happened prior to that, but the knives that sprang out of Bowie's death and subsequent fame seem to have tended, at least for the next 50odd years to be much more along the lines of that indicated by the Bagwell than by the lines of the Randall #12 in _any_ of it's configurations.

I'm not sure that I'm ready to spring $150-$160 for a Pakkawood, (laminate) handled anything, but that knife has my curiousity WAY off the scale.
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Does anybody know anything about this QS13 mystery steel? What is it? What's it supposed to perform like?

mps
 
Ishida San,when I was in Tokyo in 1966 my embassy had the Tokyo police issue me a permit to carry a weapon.I can`t read it but,I was told that it was also good for a sword.I assume that it would also be good for a knife.Is this still good?The Tokyo police would have a record.Just curious.
Domoarigato.

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That's a nice bowie, and it's not even the Hell's Bell's which is a couple of inches longer.

Thank's.

Are there any other notable, well made manufactured bowies like that.
 
Sorry to so late every one! I have gone the U.S without my PC.

tom,
I have'nt thought reratin of gun and knife.
It is age of wepon,I think too.

tknife,
I have not seen Tim Potier Bowie.

Konnitiha,ohennzi okurete gomennnasai Cook sama.
I think Bowie great lethal wepon,too.
Wakizsi and Bowie is not equal reach;Wakizasi is 13"to2',but Bowie knife is less than 14"I know.
And thank you for your kindness to let me know URL of bagwelknives.it was great!

Ossi,
Was original Bowie knife dagger edge?There are many dagger blade Bowie knives.

Fisk,
Thank you!I have wanted to know more about the ABS.
Your observation is great.I have always thought that I cannot fight shotgunner with knife.

Mr.parker,
It is so difficult to control anger and many emotion.

Fuller,
Thanks your infomation.I don't know anything about this knife.


RadarMan,
I want to ask what is best knife in age of firearm?I heard that bayonet of AKM.As I'm expecting for new U.S.trop's bayonet for OICW project.

Mr.Mike,
I'm interesting in it.What a great knife is it?It is not known in Japan.I want to have it.
I can't understand relation of Ontario and Bagwell knife.Ontario makes cheap model of Badwell's design?

mps,sorry to late!It is not so easy to read and responce in English for me.
If It is as original legendary Alamo Bowie,it is great!

ghostsix,
In Japanese "Gun and Sword law"it is forbidden to carry knife over blade length 60mm as 2"1/4without legal reason.
But,in the other light-clime law,it is not allowd to carry any tool include screwdriver without leagal reason.
Strictly speaking,all instrument is forbidden in Japan.Ownning knife in home and carry hiking is not forbbiden.
Own sword is registration system.Gun for hunting(not pistol,shotgun and rifle)is as so.


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CHic Stone
 
Chicahiro Ishida-san, anger in yourself will be what gets you and your companions killed in a needless confrontation. The Bowie is only a tool, you are the weapon. If I can control my angry temper, which is a vile beast kept chained in a dark cave at the moment, I trust you can as well. The folks who raised the Bowie to high art in the last century understood that any time a knife comes out someone is likely to die and it is never clear who. PLease always remember that. Not many have the courage to face their own anger, so I have great respect for you in your doing so.

Three days ago I spoke with Mr. Bagwell and we talked of many things, but he did tell me that the Ontario is an excellent knife and if the man says so I would bet my lfe on it. It will not be to the same standard as my custom, but for 1/4 of the price, it should not. It will be a superior blade in many ways to your TM, in respect to balance and control particularly, but as I have said, it is merely a tool. You are its driver and responsible for all of its action. I am pleased to have made your acquaintance, as you have helped me understand not only yourself, but also myself as well. Train well and realize that while the knife is important, the man behind it is more important. Learn your techniques until thyey are a part of you, your anger and the fear that accompanies any anger will slowly go away, but only when you feel truly competent with your skill and self. I have had the same experience and it is still a daily realization.

Lastly, please forgive my error if I have addressed you improperly. My knowledge of such a familiar greeting is not what it could be, but I feel that we are all knidred in some way if we have taken the time to discuss this subject over the past month. If there is a correction you could make to such an error, please do so in order that I may not make the same mistake again.

Parker
 
Ishida Sama:

Do you mean to say tools which are not meant for any kind of fight are also outlawed in Japan? Is this because people fear that they will be used as weapons? I thought things were bad here until I heard this . . .

The point about the shotgun is well made--that's what I choose for home defense, except that if I get caught with one at my college they'll expel me on the spot, even if it stays in my room.

Ishida Sama, I don't think anyone has anything to fear from your anger. You seem to have things well planned and well under control, to the point where I doubt you'll be forced to pull out your bowie knife more than once in a lifetime (but you can never be certain.) It is shameful, however, that you are forced to break the laws of your nation in order to defend yourself. Good luck.
 
Parker,
Thank you!Yes,anger is so dangerous I know.
I feel it sin that I feel knife wepon,not only tool.But I know it for tool.The same knife can use to kill and help.
I say thanks for your trust that I can do control my angry temper,but I cannot trust myself without way of suiside to stop myself.
I used to break my temper in I was 9-13 years old censitively.I had not control my tempre for counterattack of bully. until I met knife.I can understand that I must never lose my temper with knife,and I can kill who bully me easily.
And I vaguely feel what is strength with knife.Your word is very encouraging.

Gwinnydapooh,

Thanks for your words.
As you said,self-defence is not allowd in Japan really.
In Japan,carring tools without reason is suspcted to be thief's kit.At least my pearents always say so.



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CHic Stone
 
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