Breaking knives

[runningboar]

How do you help someone learn that refuses to do so?



See ? Case in point. You've been given several. Guyon mentioned the "bulletproof warranty" more than once.

Edge holding is another. (a quality that even you mentioned is important)

Structural integrity is yet another. (it's very hard to break/snap, even when prying with it)

And I'm talking about a Busse model that would probably fit in your usefulness category, the Meaner Street, currently semi-available thru the Company Store at actual retail. It has a 4.5" blade and is about .170 or so thick and cuts and slices with the best of them.

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David,
I have no idea what you think my point is but you aren't anywhere near close, so I will do my best to explain.

A whole lot of posts are people asking for recommendations of good woods knives. Invariably someone will say such and such knife is no good because it isn't durable enough, or bulletproof, or it's too cheap to stake your life on. So I asked what do you people do to break your knives in the woods and what do you need these durable, unbreakable knives for. So far the the reasons people have used to try to justify themselves have been bullshit, including yours.

Of course a knife should take and hold a good edge, of course it shouldn't break being used for it's designed purpose. But when you overbuild it to do things knives aren't designed to do you start to detract for the things knives are designed to do and I don't see the advantage in doing that. Please enlighten me without using any of the BS reasons that have already been named. Chris

 

[task force k]

Bent steel cable. :thumbup: 35 pounds of quickrete is nothing to sneeze at. I'll just say I had to grind off the bottle opener due to OSHA guidelines:

Article 14, section 7.2, paragraph B: "No implement for manually opening cans or bottles may exceed 27.5 pounds."

Just include in the instructions "To open bottle, tap neck of bottle gently against sharp edge of 35 pound neck knife. Warning: bottle neck may now be jagged and dangerous." See, still a bottle opener

 

[task force k]

David,
I have no idea what you think my point is but you aren't anywhere near close, so I will do my best to explain.

A whole lot of posts are people asking for recommendations of good woods knives. Invariably someone will say such and such knife is no good because it isn't durable enough, or bulletproof, or it's too cheap to stake your life on. So I asked what do you people do to break your knives in the woods and what do you need these durable, unbreakable knives for. So far the the reasons people have used to try to justify themselves have been bullshit, including yours.

Of course a knife should take and hold a good edge, of course it shouldn't break being used for it's designed purpose. But when you overbuild it to do things knives aren't designed to do you start to detract for the things knives are designed to do and I don't see the advantage in doing that. Please enlighten me without using any of the BS reasons that have already been named. Chris

Your logic seems to be suggesting that I shouldn't be using an Abrams tank for my daily commute. I suppose a VW would do the job, faster and more economically even, but I like the Abrams because it can be closed up against NBC attacks on the way to work.

Decent analogy?

 

[runningboar]

Your logic seems to be suggesting that I shouldn't be using an Abrams tank for my daily commute. I suppose a VW would do the job, faster and more economically even, but I like the Abrams because it can be closed up against NBC attacks on the way to work.

Decent analogy?

Pretty spot on.

I will add that I really don't care if you do drive the M1 just don't try to convince me I need one too.:thumbup:

 

[David E]

just don't try to convince me I need one too.:thumbup:

Again, that's the thing....

NO ONE IS TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU !

Because, really, NO ONE CARES what you carry!

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[task force k]

Pretty spot on.

I will add that I really don't care if you do drive the M1 just don't try to convince me I need one too.:thumbup:

But it has Chobham armor utilizing steel, ceramic, kevlar and depleted uranium, the highest-tech targeting system in the world, and a 125mm main gun...it is literally bulletproof. Does the VW have these?...Is the VW bulletproof? You'd be suicidally insane to drive anything less.

Yes, parking is a bitch and I have to be very careful about which bridges I cross during the commute, but I don't get many tailgaters.

 

[pict]

I would drive an M1 down here. Mac

 

[runningboar]

But it has Chobham armor utilizing steel, ceramic, kevlar and depleted uranium, the highest-tech targeting system in the world, and a 125mm main gun...it is literally bulletproof. Does the VW have these?...Is the VW bulletproof? You'd be suicidally insane to drive anything less.

Yes, parking is a bitch and I have to be very careful about which bridges I cross during the commute, but I don't get many tailgaters.

Don't forget the sound, when you can't see the tank but you can hear the turbine wide open and the tracks are not clanking, they are screaming they are moving so fast, and you know somebody is fixing to have a very bad day.

That is probably the same feeling you get from carrying a 10" bad ass bulletproof knife that can handle anything, and that's great, but it is not right to knock someone for choosing a mora, or a schrade, or a delicate little knife made from an old saw blade. Chris

 

[task force k]

I would drive an M1 down here. Mac

There it would probably make sense.

 

[David E]

I can't learn because I don't want too.Chris

Your quote keeps coming to mind, because your question(s) have been answered, time and again. Truth is, you simply don't LIKE the answers. Why? Because YOU haven't ever had to use a knife the way others have, ergo, everyone else is WRONG.

I can't learn because I don't want too.Chris

Chopping thru ice to get to water.........oh, wait, you'd simply melt snow or ice. Never mind that requires time, fire and a vessel to hold the water. You dismiss Skammer's post citing this actual circumstance, because he's SAR.......

I can't learn because I don't want too.Chris

Others have cited the fact that the knife may well be the only tool you have with you in an emergency situation. In which case, it may be required to use the knife in ways other than cutting.....

I can't learn because I don't want too.Chris

No, you really don't need to chop thru bone(s) but it can make things quicker and simpler. I used a larger blade to chop the ribs off the carcass. It went much faster than cutting thru them one or two at a time.

I can't learn because I don't want too.Chris

Some people mentioned the need to baton thru wet wood to get to the dry center. Of course, you'd use an axe/maul/chainsaw, so this wouldn't apply to you.....

You keep ASSuming that others are trying to convince you to upgrade your blade. NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU CARRY!! Has ANYONE asked what blade you've chosen?

You've made it clear that you don't want to learn, or even acknowledge that others might, just might, require more of their knife than you do.

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[task force k]

Don't forget the sound, when you can't see the tank but you can hear the turbine wide open and the tracks are not clanking, they are screaming they are moving so fast, and you know somebody is fixing to have a very bad day.

That is probably the same feeling you get from carrying a 10" bad ass bulletproof knife that can handle anything, and that's great, but it is not right to knock someone for choosing a mora, or a schrade, or a delicate little knife made from an old saw blade. Chris

In Basic, did you have to do that tank evasion exercise where you hunkered down in the concrete cylinder while they drove an M1 over the top of it?

RB, your point is well made: Why does one NEED a knife that can tackle jobs that would break a knife that was only designed to do things that knives were meant to do. I think there were two good counterpoints: "Just in case I don't have a prybar handy" and "Because I like them". At some point during the discussion, somebody pissed in your cheerios and, like any good soldier (or a pitbull) you refused to let go (let's hear it for the indomitable will of the American soldier, past and present). Your argument makes sense but like similar preference-based arguments...is unwinnable.

I'm calling this thread a draw, albeit an entertaining draw.

 

[task force k]

In Basic, did you have to do that tank evasion exercise where you hunkered down in the concrete cylinder while they drove an M1 over the top of it?

RB, your point is well made: Why does one NEED a knife that can tackle jobs that would break a knife that was only designed to do things that knives were meant to do. I think there were two good counterpoints: "Just in case I don't have a prybar handy" and "Because I like them". At some point during the discussion, somebody pissed in your cheerios and, like any good soldier (or a pitbull) you refused to let go (let's hear it for the indomitable will of the American soldier, past and present). Your argument makes sense but like similar preference-based arguments...is unwinnable.

I'm calling this thread a draw, albeit an entertaining draw.

Sorry, I don't deal well with confrontation...always makes me feel like mommy and daddy are fighting again.

 

[runningboar]

Your quote keeps coming to mind, because your question(s) have been answered, time and again. Truth is, you simply don't LIKE the answers. Why? Because YOU haven't ever had to use a knife the way others have, ergo, everyone else is WRONG..

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Chopping thru ice to get to water.........oh, wait, you'd simply melt snow or ice. Never mind that requires time, fire and a vessel to hold the water. You dismiss Skammer's post citing this actual circumstance, because he's SAR....... .

Yes I acknowledged different tools for different jobs, I don't carry a full sized pick axe and would never dream of telling someone else too but firefighters do and need to. If I needed water that bad and didn't have time to build a fire I would use my hatchet.

Others have cited the fact that the knife may well be the only tool you have with you in an emergency situation. In which case, it may be required to use the knife in ways other than cutting......

WTF is this an alien abduction and they drop you off in BFE, I have 3 knives on my person right now in the building, I won't even go into what is in the camelbag hawg at my feet.

No, you really don't need to chop thru bone(s) but it can make things quicker and simpler. I used a larger blade to chop the ribs off the carcass. It went much faster than cutting thru them one or two at a time..

Meat saw or cleaver, not my knife.
EDIT: couldn't if I wanted to, the knives I carry aren't up to the task, the wyoming saw in my pack is. It is a moot point anyway, I cut the little meat that is on wild game ribs off with my knife for stew or BBQ meat anyway.

Some people mentioned the need to baton thru wet wood to get to the dry center. Of course, you'd use an axe/maul/chainsaw, so this wouldn't apply to you......

Already answered this one.

You keep ASSuming that others are trying to convince you to upgrade your blade. NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU CARRY!! Has ANYONE asked what blade you've chosen?.

So go away and quit trying.

You've made it clear that you don't want to learn, or even acknowledge that others might, just might, require more of their knife than you do..

And I still don't understand why, maybe the never ending quest to invent one tool for all jobs?

 

[runningboar]

In Basic, did you have to do that tank evasion exercise where you hunkered down in the concrete cylinder while they drove an M1 over the top of it?

RB, your point is well made: Why does one NEED a knife that can tackle jobs that would break a knife that was only designed to do things that knives were meant to do. I think there were two good counterpoints: "Just in case I don't have a prybar handy" and "Because I like them". At some point during the discussion, somebody pissed in your cheerios and, like any good soldier (or a pitbull) you refused to let go (let's hear it for the indomitable will of the American soldier, past and present). Your argument makes sense but like similar preference-based arguments...is unwinnable.

I'm calling this thread a draw, albeit an entertaining draw.

I agree, I am just trying to procrastinate doing my boring paperwork.:grumpy:

 

[task force k]

I agree, I am just trying to procrastinate doing my boring paperwork.:grumpy:

Ditto. I once was dual-tasked as a PAC clerk for several months. Now, I don't let people know that I can type or am even literate...I just keep reading my Dr. Seuss book upside-down and make saliva bubbles.

 

[Ebbtide]

Chris, I'm with ya, but don't want to go down that dirty old road again.
Check for a thread titled "3 $100 knives or 1 $300 knife"

I brought up the warantee issue because some folks seem to think a good warantee means good quality.
It is an indicator of quality, yes.
Companies could put out marginal knives and have the warantee issue kill them in the end. But how long would that take? A year? 2 years?
Until then once could have a marginal knife, with a great warantee.

In the end a broken knife in the woods is still a broken knife in the woods.

There for we should make sure not to break our knives, whether they are super duty sharpened blackticle prybars or humble moras.

Me? I don't get the big thick ubercommanramdo stuff.
But I don't know much, my starting criteria is can it sharpen a pencil and thin slice a tomato.

 

[JackBauer24]

I can break anything. Even under normal use. It's always been a talent of mine. Although I don't break many knives.

 

[David E]

I'm reminded of the guy that carries a .22 and tells everyone else that if they carry something larger, they just "don't get it."

We eventually find out that the guy only uses his .22 for paper targets or tin cans.....

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[runningboar]

I'm reminded of the guy that carries a .22 and tells everyone else that if they carry something larger, they just "don't get it."

We eventually find out that the guy only uses his .22 for paper targets or tin cans.....

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I don't get it.

 

[magneto]

I'm reminded of the guy that carries a .22 and tells everyone else that if they carry something larger, they just "don't get it."

We eventually find out that the guy only uses his .22 for paper targets or tin cans.....

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I don't get it either. Unless you are saying that those that use say a 3/32 inch thick knife tell people that they have one a 1/4 thick knife? Why would someone do that? And then use the 3/32" knife to process game and light fieldwork. Perhaps you can decipher your analogy for us.