Hi I am fairly new to the forums and was following the discussion that got Cliff banned. I hope that cooler heads prevail and let Cliff post again. I am not a rabid fan or hater. I think that he has many flaws in his arguments but I also think that he does raise some valid points in discussions. Opinions are like you know what but that is what drives discussion. Cliff is a reductionist when it comes to knives. Some are more aesthetically or empirically driven. This can cause conflict which in the end is good because it forces you out of your box and actually examine and defend your ideas and beliefs. No one is right or wrong when it comes to what they believe about knives. You can color me purple but I will always love D2. My first custom was a Dozier that changed my thought on that steel. My JYD2 is useless and I never use it 99% of the time, relegating most tasks to my Opinel. But I carry that JYD2 everyday because the aesthetic of the knife just draws me in. Busses are great knives from a top notch maker but I would never buy one. They do not appeal to me in what I think of as a knife. Good, bad, flawed logic, whatever, it's me. But I don't want a forum of people that think just like me. Let's all just take a breath and get back to what makes bladeforums so good. Ideas and opinions that may cause me to say "they may have a point" and crack my wallet once more and buy a piece steel with a handle and bear the brunt of my creditors and wife.