Brous Blades Division Flipper: First Impressions

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Is he actually making these knives or is this like his original Silent Soldier knife where he had another company make the midtech version?
 
BePrepared said:
Similar perhaps, but not what i'd call a "stolen design" and since only one is a folder, they don't even occupy the same niche

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To be honest my first impressions on seeing these two knives together are that they from the same manufacturer, the lines and profile are very similar.
 
The drawing of the Haunter on PBW's site looks much closer. And what if Jakub decides to make a folder version of his own design? Still a different niche?
 
I want to say, for posterity's sake, you don't need to defend your purchase. My philosophy has always been buy what you want. My statement was really just meant to bring to light the issue. If you love the knife, right on man. I just want others to realize that Jason's designs may not be entirely his own. I am sure the knife is still screaming. I don't want you, OP, to think I am attacking you.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
anyone who saw "Brous" come galloping onto the knife scene on a certain devilish forum, saw his attitude, and total lack of knife knowledge would not buy his overpriced production knives.(possibly midtech) If he had not been ripped apart there, his company would still be called "Kut Throat Knives, knives to kut throats"
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I have no idea what the story is with the knife design but I agree they DO look similar. I will ask Jason what the deal is and see what the details are.

TBH, when Jason came on the scene he was a young guy (23) with big ideas and even bigger confidence. Some people were turned off by that because they don't like young people coming in and trying to change how things are done. Guess what? He did it and is now extremely successful.

I read those initial posts on a "certain devilish forum" and while Jason was a bit naive he still came around and took much of the advice. I can't say the same for most of the people on that "certain devilish forum." They came across as a bunch of arrogant jerks that wanted to drag him through the mud because had some new ideas and wasn't afraid of trying them out and banking his reputation on that success.

Looking back at those threads now, and seeing how successful Jason has become, make most of the people on that "certain devilish forum" look extremely negative, judgmental, and pathetic.
 
Which is why I have not been around that devilish forums in a long long time.

As for the OP, this is a nice looking knife. Curious as to the blade size and cost. Four inch minimum for me, any less it's off my list. AS to if it's a copy or not, who cares. I for one do not. What attracts me right off are aesthetics, If it looks good and does not cost a ton, I'll buy it. AFAIC, let the makers argue the battle over copyrights. I'm not getting involved. I don't even think knife designs should be a copyright issue. All it takes is one minor change, no violation. Change the shape of the choil, no issue. Use a hole instead of a thumbstud, no issue.

It's all a big non-event to me.
 
cbxer55 said:
Which is why I have not been around that devilish forums in a long long time.

As for the OP, this is a nice looking knife. Curious as to the blade size and cost. Four inch minimum for me, any less it's off my list. AS to if it's a copy or not, who cares. I for one do not. What attracts me right off are aesthetics, If it looks good and does not cost a ton, I'll buy it. AFAIC, let the makers argue the battle over copyrights. I'm not getting involved. I don't even think knife designs should be a copyright issue. All it takes is one minor change, no violation. Change the shape of the choil, no issue. Use a hole instead of a thumbstud, no issue.

It's all a big non-event to me.
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Knife designs shouldn't be considered intellectual property? It isn't even a legal issue, it's an integrity issue. You're saying that as long as someone alters the choil size, it's a non-issue? I promise, if we were discussing Kevin John or w/e this would be an entirely different story. Design theft is design theft. He is clearly banking off of the work of other individuals and hasn't paid any licensing fees. It's an internet forums so I shouldn't expect more but the hypocrisy amazes me.
 
How is it hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is "Do as I say, not as I do". In what way is what I said hypocrisy. I do not make knives, so I am not doing one thing while telling others not to.
It's not an issue to me, that's all. I simply do not care one whit about it. Like it, or lump it. I don't care.
 
cbxer55 said:
Which is why I have not been around that devilish forums in a long long time.

As for the OP, this is a nice looking knife. Curious as to the blade size and cost. Four inch minimum for me, any less it's off my list. AS to if it's a copy or not, who cares. I for one do not. What attracts me right off are aesthetics, If it looks good and does not cost a ton, I'll buy it. AFAIC, let the makers argue the battle over copyrights. I'm not getting involved. I don't even think knife designs should be a copyright issue. All it takes is one minor change, no violation. Change the shape of the choil, no issue. Use a hole instead of a thumbstud, no issue.

It's all a big non-event to me.
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If you like the knife, buy it. You don't have to justify your desire to purchase it by trying to diminish intellectual property rights and theft of said rights. Again, the folder vs. haunter is just one instance. Brous has a video of a tanto fixed blade that is identical to the Reikon made by PBW.
 
Do you know how many knives have similarities and inspiration taken from another.

This thread has turned into something it shouldn't have.

Let get this straight, regardless of what can be said Murdamook you're obviously a Brous hater and nothing anyone can say will change your opinion.

And that's fine, because its YOUR opinion, no one else's.

When you take the picture of the actual Haunter and put it next to the Division like what was done up above, they have a minor similarity, but in NO WAY is identical.

There are plenty of other Custom knives that are similar to other Custom knives, but are people nit picking and bashing them, NOPE not at all.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that, but the fact remains that Jason did NOT steal the design, because it is NOT the same design.

NUFF said.
 
cbxer55 said:
How is it hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is "Do as I say, not as I do". In what way is what I said hypocrisy. I do not make knives, so I am not doing one thing while telling others not to.
It's not an issue to me, that's all. I simply do not care one whit about it. Like it, or lump it. I don't care.
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First, I am not referring directly to you. My statement was a general statement referring to anyone who has ever complained about the Chinese and their knockoffs but choose to ignore this instance of theft. Secondly, hypocrisy is not necessarily "do as I say, not as I do". If a smoker tells you that you shouldn't smoke because it causes lung cancer, does that make him a hypocrite? Hypocrisy invalidates arguments. The prior example is not invalidated because smoking is bad for your health. Ignoring Brous's intellectual property theft but complaining about the Chinese makers that do it is hypocrisy. Again, to make it absolutely unquestionably clear, I am not referring to you directly, just to the abundance of people that have an issue with Chinese Hinderer knockoffs that drop the inscribed "Hinderer" in favor of the word titanium but think Brous should get away with his indiscretions because he is a well-known midtech/custom maker.
 
And how many makers out there, both factory and individuals, have copied Spyderco's inventions over the years? I am not a Spyderco fanboy, but they are credited with the pocket clip, one-hand opening, and serrations on pocket knives. And everywhere you look, these features abound. I'm willing to bet that hardly any of them pay Spyderco royalties for using these features on their knives. Change the shape of the clip, no issue. Change the shape of the hole in the blade, no issue. Change the shape of the serrations, no issue.

It's been going on forever. And will continue to go on forever no matter how much you complain about it. So, in my mind, there is no reason to care.

Your mileage may vary.

I am sure I am not going to change your mind, any more than your going to change mine. So I'm done here.
 
TacOpsEDC said:
Do you know how many knives have similarities and inspiration taken from another.

This thread has turned into something it shouldn't have.

Let get this straight, regardless of what can be said Murdamook you're obviously a Brous hater and nothing anyone can say will change your opinion.

And that's fine, because its YOUR opinion, no one else's.

When you take the picture of the actual Haunter and put it next to the Division like what was done up above, they have a minor similarity, but in NO WAY is identical.

There are plenty of other Custom knives that are similar to other Custom knives, but are people nit picking and bashing them, NOPE not at all.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that, but the fact remains that Jason did NOT steal the design, because it is NOT the same design.

NUFF said.
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Forums full of individuals have problems with Brous taking idea concepts from other individuals. Again, the Haunter is one instance. The designs do not have "minor similarities", the lines are near identical. Look at the two CAD drawings, it's impossible to ignore the similarities. You can sling the "hater" title all you want, I liked his designs until I found out they were stolen. Who's to say you aren't a Brous "fanboy"? That pendulum swings both ways. I am providing instances of theft that are obvious while those supporting him are providing nothing.
 
cbxer55 said:
And how many makers out there, both factory and individuals, have copied Spyderco's inventions over the years? I am not a Spyderco fanboy, but they are credited with the pocket clip, one-hand opening, and serrations on pocket knives. And everywhere you look, these features abound. I'm willing to bet that hardly any of them pay Spyderco royalties for using these features on their knives. Change the shape of the clip, no issue. Change the shape of the hole in the blade, no issue. Change the shape of the serrations, no issue.

It's been going on forever. And will continue to go on forever no matter how much you complain about it. So, in my mind, there is no reason to care.

Your mileage may vary.
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Those are innovations; CAD designs are not. When people use the spyderhole, they obtain the licensing or Spyderco forces the issue legally. Your examples are nowhere near the same as someone stealing the entire design of the knife.
 
Man buys knife. Man enjoys knife. Man posts his happy first impressions.
Argument ensues in the OP's thread. Disrupting threads function and lessening the fun of posting his first impressions.
IMHO make your own thread if you have issues with Jason's work, don't crap up a happy mans thread with your personal issues. This has happened over and over, ruining an OP's thread intent.
Relax and let others enjoy their purchases. It really is that simple.
To OP, I agree with you 100%. I have a satin Division flipper also and love it.
Enjoy your purchase!
 
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