Sorry, I forgot the point of a forum. It certainly isn't a place to discuss and encourage dialogue. I have no personal issues with Jason as a human being, just his business practices. Honestly, if Brous or anyone else could produce evidence that Jakub and Jason have worked this stuff out and it was just a misunderstanding, I would apologize and never mention it again. As for ruining an individual's purchase: give me a break.
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Brous Blades Division Flipper: First Impressions
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Sorry, I forgot the point of a forum. It certainly isn't a place to discuss and encourage dialogue. I have no personal issues with Jason as a human being, just his business practices. Honestly, if Brous or anyone else could produce evidence that Jakub and Jason have worked this stuff out and it was just a misunderstanding, I would apologize and never mention it again. As for ruining an individual's purchase: give me a break.
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I for one think it's important to expose things like this, and thank you for the heads up and the effort. however I agree with some others saying you went about this in the wrong way. start your own thread about your concerns
First I've heard of anyone "stealing" a knife design. Other than the Chinese rip offs, of course.
IMO, if someone likes the lines of a fixed blade and wants to reproduce those lines in a folder, more power to them. Frankly, I'm not sure how you'd patent that. Maybe you could trademark your lines. Maybe not. Or maybe we could just accept that the knife industry is much like the clothing industry (both are very old) and copies are part of the industry.
Even so, there is, I think, a difference between the flagrant reproduction of someone else's existing design (say, a Chinese factory copying a Chris Reeves design down to the logo) and someone being inspired by a particular design and replicating it in a different medium (if I can be allowed to call fixed versus folder different mediums). I have zero issue with someone being inspired by another design and making their own version of it. Jim Bowie has been dead a long time and I still see Bowie-pattern knives being made.
If makers weren't allowed to build something new based on inspiration, we'd all be sitting around comparing the relative coolness of our chipped rocks.
IMO, if someone likes the lines of a fixed blade and wants to reproduce those lines in a folder, more power to them. Frankly, I'm not sure how you'd patent that. Maybe you could trademark your lines. Maybe not. Or maybe we could just accept that the knife industry is much like the clothing industry (both are very old) and copies are part of the industry.
Even so, there is, I think, a difference between the flagrant reproduction of someone else's existing design (say, a Chinese factory copying a Chris Reeves design down to the logo) and someone being inspired by a particular design and replicating it in a different medium (if I can be allowed to call fixed versus folder different mediums). I have zero issue with someone being inspired by another design and making their own version of it. Jim Bowie has been dead a long time and I still see Bowie-pattern knives being made.
If makers weren't allowed to build something new based on inspiration, we'd all be sitting around comparing the relative coolness of our chipped rocks.
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Agreed, honestly I don't know how so much of this type of stuff is tolerated on this forum. It seems the mods pick and choose when they want to do their jobs.
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Murdamook & cbxr55 - discuss the topic and not other members or forums please. Let's not derail this thread anymore than it already is.
You really know little to nothing about it. If you see something that troubles you, why not be part of the solution and report it, rather than complaining for nothing? This happens to be the largest forum of its kind around, we can't be in all places at once. We also like to give members here the benefit of the doubt in acting like adults and not grossly derailing threads, but poop happens as you may or may not know. However, the next time I decide to spend time with my family and log out of here I'll be sure to run it by you and see if you deem it appropriate for me to have a personal day.
You really know little to nothing about it. If you see something that troubles you, why not be part of the solution and report it, rather than complaining for nothing? This happens to be the largest forum of its kind around, we can't be in all places at once. We also like to give members here the benefit of the doubt in acting like adults and not grossly derailing threads, but poop happens as you may or may not know. However, the next time I decide to spend time with my family and log out of here I'll be sure to run it by you and see if you deem it appropriate for me to have a personal day.
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Lmao!!!!!Murdamook & cbxr55 - discuss the topic and not other members or forums please. Let's not derail this thread anymore than it already is.
Yu really know little to nothing about it. If you see something that troubles you, why not be part of the solution and report it, rather than complaining for nothing? This happens to be the largest forum of its kind around, we can't be in all places at once. We also like to give members here the benefit of the doubt in acting like adults and not grossly derailing threads, but poop happens as you may or may not know. However, the next time I decide to spend time with my family and log out of here I'll be sure to run it by you and see if you deem it appropriate for me to have a personal day.
That's great! Must be the bearing system doing its magic! The only thing I can nitpick about is the lanyard thingy seems like an after thought and possibly the flipper sticks out too much and might deploy in pocket but its probably unlikely.
FYI, every mod here is a VOLUNTEER. It is not a JOB, but a POSITION.
If we miss someones stupidity or poor/juvenile behavior....well pardon us...
If we need time away from having to deal with everyday of the above things....well pardon us....
A lot of times we rely on other members to make reports on such things, because , quite frankly, most of us don't have the time or inclination to sit here and read every single thing that is posted on this forum. I people care enough about this place, they will make reports. Funny how I don't see very many reports from you. Many of the moderators here have logged countless hours dealing with a myriad of issues and problems on this forum. Rarely do we get praise for our efforts. More often than not we get commentary such as yours.
To report issues on the forum, simply click the little triangle in the lower left corner of every post and let the mods know what is going on. The feature can be used for anything from, moving misplaced posts to reporting poor behaviors. Help us to help you.
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He owes his "success" to those mean individuals who you are complaining about. He had no new ideas, aside from poorly designed "knives to kut throats" made of inferior materials, and his success came from changing all of that and selling production knives that have little of his original "style" remaining.
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Lol, no resemblance there--the original is on a black background. The Brous design looks totally different, I can see it. The background is blue.
The side by side photos are kind of hard to ignore. Thanks for the pictorial.
As for the actual knife, it's a bit big but it looks really nice in all the photos I've seen. Whether he stole the design or not, it seems like he's done a pretty good job with this one.
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It clearly is the same design, the facts are there, the photos are there, the knives are out there and they have a major similarity.
It really is weak to pull the "hater" line because you do not like an opposing opinion, in this case it isn't opinion, the fact is these two knives bear the same design features and far too many to be coincidence.
I have no prior knowledge of Brous other than seeing the occasional silent soldier on the exchange which I have noticed as I like the design which seems quirky and unique. Otherwise both these knives are new to me and to my eyes they are the same design, one in a folder format and the other in a fixed blade.
If you can not see the obvious numerous similarities then there isn't much to one can do to convince you.
Please be more tactful in the use of hater, it really is a lame card to pull unless trolling is your intention.
It really is weak to pull the "hater" line because you do not like an opposing opinion, in this case it isn't opinion, the fact is these two knives bear the same design features and far too many to be coincidence.
I have no prior knowledge of Brous other than seeing the occasional silent soldier on the exchange which I have noticed as I like the design which seems quirky and unique. Otherwise both these knives are new to me and to my eyes they are the same design, one in a folder format and the other in a fixed blade.
If you can not see the obvious numerous similarities then there isn't much to one can do to convince you.
Please be more tactful in the use of hater, it really is a lame card to pull unless trolling is your intention.
RevDevil,Karda, no reason to get snappy I'm not trying to make a personal attack just an observation. I see other posters being addressed immediately in certain threads while some threads (especially the coldsteel ones I've looked at) Troll behavior is allowed to "slip by". I understand what you are saying though.
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Gladly. After this post, I will post no more on the subject. Unless I happen upon a Brous at a price I can afford. Not likely.
If someone were to tell me it is a four inch blade at less than $300.00, I'll consider ordering one.
Otherwise that $300.00 barrier exists for me. Will not purchase knife over $300.00.
Back to listening to Neil Diamond oldies. ;-)
It seems like Brous created his own product even if it was based off of another knife. It's not like it's a knock off. I'll admit they look similar however it's like saying Pepsi is a Coke knock off. If someone makes a better or more desirable product based off someone else's than its a good thing. Capitalism, Deal with it.
Cool knife btw. Aesthetically and ergonomically.
Cool knife btw. Aesthetically and ergonomically.
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It isn't capitalism.
Coca Cola was produced more than ten years before Pepsi, Pepsi could arguably be a knock off or copy of Coca Cola. Is it a better or more desirable product?.....Coca Cola is still the global market leader so I guess not.
But the credit really should not go to Brous, after all the ergonomics and aesthetics are not of his design.
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It's interesting that I hear so many talking about the division folder being so amazingly smooth. It makes me wonder what happened with the Reloader because the two different Reloaders I purchased(one from the first batch of 500 satin, the other from the next 500 blackout) I sent back because of how horribly rough and gritty the detent was along the blade. Other than that the Reloader was literally one of the most incredible knives I've had a chance to use. The feel and build quality really is extremely well done. I will give Brous another try here sometime(the new acid wash interests me because it may effect the interaction of detent ball and blade) though.
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