Buck 110 vs Modern Folders

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dogstar said:
Have fun batoning your Cold Steel or whatever. I don't see the need to do that with a folding knife.
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I never baton any knife. I have an axe for that. The reason I like a tough knife that can hold up to more than I use it for is then I feel secure with it to handle everything day after day, I do use it for. After all wear doesn't have to occur all at once, it does add up over time. A really solid locking knife will remain so, day after day. I also have a good number of knives that use the peened pin method to secure the blade. I don't think of it as being nearly as strong as the rest I own, with threaded pivots no matter what brand they are. And yes I know I can use them and they won't just fail under normal cutting duty. But, they aren't what I think of when I want to carry a really tough locking folder.
 
GronK said:
So just stop and explain what it is in the pouch and how much you paid. l suspect that may reinforce the opinion. I carry a vintage Gerber Gator regularly and love it. :)
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I was just making the point that the OP just said he passed a guy carrying a knife in a belt sheath. He didn't talk to the guy or even see the knife. Doesn't know if it was a Buck even, doesn't know if the guy likes the knife or not. Doesn't know what other cutting tools the guy might have had on his pack mules. It just seemed to me it wasn't a lot of solid fact behind what he knew for fact about the knife on the man's belt.
 
zzyzzogeton said:
My first 110 lasted over 30 years as my ONLY daily use folder. Actually, it lasted longer than that. I still have it. I just retired it from daily use in 2001 when I got laid off from my "corporate job", and began working for myself and could carry my dual fixed blades all the time, not just when not at work. So the 110 in its belt sheath was replaced with paired, smaller "pocket Bucks"

Until last week, I still only used Buck folders as my daily carry folders. (My favorite nephew gave me a brand-spanking new Case trapper for my 60th that will have to be worked into my folder rotation).

In my opinion, and it's just that, an opinion, like every one is entitled to have, a 110 will hold up just as well as any other folder out there if used for what folding knives are designed to be used for - to cut stuff.

Will it hold up to batonning? Nope.
Will it hold up to being used as a machete, clearing vines, limbs, brush, etc? Nyet.
Will it survive being used as a pry bar? Not for long.
Will it open up one handedly faster than a cobra strike? No way,Jose. (despite the ability to be convolutedly being opened one-handed).

If one believes that a folding knife that can be opened quickly with one hand, can handle batonning, prying, chopping is the cat's meow, then

GET A FIXED BLADE. :D

A fixed bladed knife will ALWAYS open faster than ANY folder.
It can be cleaned faster and more easily than any folder.
It can be used as a machete, a pry bar, wedge, hammer, paint/caulk scraper or any other non-knife tool for a far longer period before failure than any folder.
And a fixed blade will NEVER accidentally close on the user's finger. :D

All knives will fail eventually, even fixed blades. Usually when being used as a "not-a-knife" tool, but occasionally for real knife related tasks. How long they last is determined by the method of usage more than by method of construction.

I have NEVER had a folding knife pivot fail, had a folding knife blade bend or had a lock-back lock fail.
But then I have never used a folding knife as a pry bar, batonned anything with a folder, beat on a folding knife with a hammer, billet of wood, etc.

Is a "modern" knife better than a 110? Again, in my opinion, no. A modern knife is just different from a 110.

It's kinda like if my nephew said his BMW is better than my 1929 Model A.

His will go faster.
His will get better mileage.
His has air conditioning (and a heater, too. :D )
His has softer seats.
His has one of those new-fangled things called an automatic transmission.

His has (oh-no, gasp :eek: :eek:) TURN SIGNALS!!!!!!

Mine will still run after the EMP from an air burst takes out everyone else's fancy computer controlled cars.

So which is better? Depends on the circumstances.
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I look at the Buck 110 as more of a 50-60's US built truck, Chevy, Ford or Dodge. Plenty of them still around and being driven and used daily.

No cup holder and no Air. The new ones ride smoother and steer easier but the old trucks get the job done just fine.

The Buck was design as a folding Hunting knife and camp/trail knife. Hence the name, 110 folding Hunter.
It can still handle all of the tasks it was designed for just fine.
I've never asked a folder to be beaten through logs or any of the current "Test's" because I have other tools like a hand axe or a saw for those jobs.

So for processing game and camp knife chores they work just as well as the day they came out and I don't think anything new with roller bearings or whatever gizmo in the pivot is going to process game any better.
 
Sosa said:
Very interesting.[video=youtube_share;1qKuZskDzmU]http://youtu.be/1qKuZskDzmU[/video]
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<face palm>


Like I said in an earlier post....


pinnah said:
Sosa,
I really must emphasize... The Opinel lock ring will NOT protect against accidental closure. You need to think of the Opinel like a slip joint and really, the better comparison may be to the large Sod Buster, not the 110.

But where the Opinel pulls away from the 110 is when subjecting it to hard lateral and hard cutting/opening forces. This isn't a matter of materials or build quality. It is a straight forward matter of design.
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singularity35 said:
Read my post again. I never said that gas station knives/knife has sold more than the buck 110. Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? Do you think I'm here bashing a 110?



I just said that if you go by sales to judge the quality of a knife, then gas station knives must be among the best since they do sell a lot of those. That's what I was saying, nothing more, nothing less.
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It's all good brother,no harm meant.:):thumbup:
 
pinnah said:
Leghog,

Like you, I dig the 110. But I have no problem with what Jill is saying. The joint on the 110 (and other traditional flat peened lockbacks) just isn't that robust.

IMO, this shouldn't upset lovers of the Buck 110 any more than (to borrow Jared's analogy) that the superiority of modern fuel injected engines should upset fans of the '68 Camaro.
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I don't love the 110. I don't even dig the 110. I don't even like lock backs or liner locks, but I have seen the 110 carried and used afield by my Army team mates and buddies over 3+ decades. They're perfectly fine. They work well and last long. Just don't abuse them. Don't abuse any knife.

Charlie_K said:
Batoning with a folding knife is just plain stupid, regardless of design. Simply because you can, doesn't mean that you ever should.
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Yup
 
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jill jackson said:
It's not too heavy to carry, just too heavy for it's tiny pivot pin, with no threads. The one I had came loose right away. Buck could put a bigger threaded pivot in it and it would be a whole lot stronger.
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amazing then, that my 25+ year old Buck 110 has managed to field dress game, carve wood, cut everything under the sun, function as a tool, and still is tight, sharp, and totally functional. How strong does it need to be? :rolleyes:
 
I know the Buck 110 isn't the best carry choice for many people but if you happen to get one with issues Buck will be happy to fix it with their FOREVER warranty.
 
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