Bugging out- Urban style

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The vast majority of the posts I read here are geared towards bugging out in the wilderness which made me think about where people will go if sh** hits the fan;

My reasoning is that humans are scavengers and we only hunt because we have tools/knowledge and as such why run away to the mountains when you could bug out in a city?

Lets assume that a some sort of catastrophic disaster strikes:

10-20% are dead from the first wave
50-60% will flee somewhere else (to the "wild" or relatives somewhere else).
And the rest will stick around waiting for FEMA to "save" them.

SO with that in mind if you have the right knowledge and resourcefulness why on earth would you risk starvation and/or the freezing cold by going somewhere uninhabited?

I have met many "survivalists" with the silly notion that merely owning a firearm and stockpiling ammo will save them- how many of those people actually hunt?

It takes time and skill to take out game so you could not guarantee with any certainty that you will have food for the night/week/month , plus you will be competing with others for wild game and as such while I have hunting & wilderness as an option it is not the first thing I will do when things go crazy.

My current plan is as follows;

1) Assess situation and get info on threat (don't run for the hills at the sound of the first gunshot).

2) Bug in while deciding on urban bugging out or rural bugging out (Based on assessment of threat).

3) If urban (I will only cover urban bugging out because I assume most people here know all about rural bugging out) I will base my strategy around scavenging and moving from place to place throughout the city, obviously I will not bug in the local supermarket because thats where everyone else will go but rather using alternative locations and picking/taking what I need as I go along:

As a fan of urban exploration I am comfortable with going underneath subway stations and "breaking" into deserted factories/power plants etc. which will provide you with shelter- taking into account the amount of stuff people leave behind in a crisis food should not be a problem. with the right frame of mind you can find heat, shelter, safety and food with what is around you so maybe its time for people to add a dremel hand tool to there bug out bags?

(obviously I will not take/break into places unless its a real potentially live or die situation)

In my opinion with the popularity of shows like Man vs wild and Survivorman everyone has it in there heads that they can simple waltz into the wilderness with a bottle of water and a knife and survive so they will no doubt try it when the sh** hits the fan, so for me it makes sense to be where people wont expect you to go.

Am I just naive or does my little theory make sense?

(I wrote this in a hurry so please ignore typo's ect.- at some point I will re-write this with a structured guide + Pics of my current bug out bag so you can get a better idea).
 
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I think its a good idea and probably closer to reality. Although I think more people will stay behind than evacuate. Look at what happened in Bosnia, Kosovo and most European cities during WW I & II. People stayed and road it out. The same here has been seen with natural disasters. It increases the compitition but pre planning, skills and tools will put you ahead of the rest. Personally I think that the bugging out to the woodlands is a fantasy with limited viability.
 
Indeed, but we live in a world filled with survival shows and pre made "survival packs" so taking into account what happened after Katrina and the fact that the rest of the country saw the violence and the lack of effective help from FEMA I think more people will try bugging out in the wild.

And as I said I wouldnt stay in my home but rather bug out around the deserted/abandoned parts of the city. :)

(Although I have to point out that I did "bug out" in the woods for 2weeks with my bug out bag and I worked out "ok" but not really that great- squirrels are not as tasty as I thought :/ and while I am not at all a survival expert I do have some knowledge/skills in terms of setting traps, building shelter ect. so that was a real eye opener for me because I used to think I could survive for extended periods with my bug out bag when in reality I had problems with food supply and keeping warm.)
 
Am I just naive or does my little theory make sense?

Actually it does make sense. Depending on the size of the city you live in and the natural choke points to "escape", bugging in and keep a low profile could be your safest plan. As soon as you bug out, you're vulnerable and have a higher probability to becoming refugee or a target from law enforcement or less desirable elements of society.

Ron Hood makes a couple of excellent "urban survival" videos that are chock-full of good ideas. There are also several books on the subject.

Make sure you stock up on non-perishable foods...no power no refrigeration.
WATER, can stress the importance of having as much stored as feasible
WATER purification; very critical in an urban environment
A good stock pile of basic first aid supplies and disinfectants/antiseptics
Batteries...plenty; most (even alkaline) last several years
Heating source; Kerosene heater or other compact wood stove
Camping equipment, stoves and fuel

I know there are a million other things to list, but there are also plenty of small game in an urban environment...raccoons, rats, pigeons, dogs, etc. Having the skill with snares and traps would be a big bonus. I know the gun and ammo is probably in most peoples' top-ten list, but a quality air-gun would go a long ways killing small game without attracting a whole lot of attention.

If you plan to bug in, make sure you have enough material to strengthen your home...plywood, nails, plastic sheeting, duct-tape.

Bugging out would be a last option or at least a delayed one. Even if you have a place to bug out to, if you don't make it out of the city area before the masses attempt it, than you're much safer waiting a few days or weeks. As soon as you leave your home/apartment, you become a target and your quite vulnerable. Having maps of the area is essential...allowing you to plan several routes or E&E plans.

Here's how I see your priorities in an urban setting with regards to "survival":

1. Have a Plan!
2. Always be prepared...a 72 hour kit should always be within reach
3. Have a plan to get you home.
4. Have a plan to stay at home with a low profile.
5. Have a bug-out plan and a place to go.

Acquire some skills in advanced first aid; plumbing; electrical; car repair; canning; gardening (small plots can be maintained all over the place if you use a little innovation).

Having a bug out plan is still very critical and it's one we discuss the most. Sure you don't want to lesson your chances of survival by throwing on a pack and heading out in the midst of a crisis, but you may not have an option. There are several threats that could make you leave your home or apartment...fire, flooding, chemical or bio-hazardous spills/leaks, severe rioting, etc. As much as I advocate staying home, you still need to have a plan and be prepared to vacate at a moments notice.

Good topic that's relevant to most of us here...

ROCK6
 
Katrina was a wake up call. Now we have the Burma typhoon and the Chinese earthquake to provide additional lessons.

As far as I can determine one must plan to survive as long as a week in an urban environment after a disaster.
 
I think to survive for any real length of time past 4 weeks in an urban setting you would need to form alliances with like-minded others.
 
Get a copy of the book about the true story of Wladyslaw Szpilman, the Jewish concert pianist who survived the war hiding in Warsaw. Abandoned basements, abandonded attics, abandonded warehouses. It's a true story of hiding right under the noses of the Nazi's who would have killed him if they found him.

I've long felt, that because of the weath of raw material that has already been manufactured, survival in an urban place would be easier than off in the wilderness, and more realistic.

Water would be in water heaters, roof top chiller units for the air conditioning in high rise office buildings. Food is all around with pidgeons and squirrels if you have a good air rifle or sling shot, so you can take game quietly. Rooftop shelters in the utility rooms is more secure, especially if you block the stairwell with debris so it looks like nobody has been up there, and it would be difficult for anyone to explore.

Abandoned buildings can be filled with little hidden areas.

There's miles of cordage in the blinds and drapes in every office or apartment.

Subway tunnels, sewer tunnels, and electric cable tunnels for moving about in daytime.

Lots of possabilities.
 
Cash, prybar, knife, multitool, handgun, flashlight w/extra batteries, Id, passports, water, psk, first aid kit and food would make it for me.
 
ok so what would be the bare bones essentials in a urban Bug Out Bag ?

I recently updated my work/urban bag...

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I do carry my CCW when not on the installation; unfortunately, I can't carry my personal stuff at work...although I do get an M4 and 9mm:D

ROCK6
 
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I think the information given so far in this thread is great, but maybe I have read to many survival novels but what about the evil unprepared element thagt might gang up and try to take all the items you have . IMHO the unprepared are quite capable of turning mean in a heart beat .
I would try to have several secluded camps that I would forage from and sooner or later I would be spoted and posiably leave a trail to my main gear. Acording to the duration of the situation a wilderness bug out plan should be formulated for when things just get to FUBAR.
 
Too many people talk in the terms of SHTF and think it is either go or stay. You forget to look at the times when there is no choice. I have been working on an article the past few months and have noticed that in just that time there have been several cases of forced evacuations. Here in the States we have had wild fire, tornado, and flooding situations which have taken the choice out of it. You should prepare for both going and staying. The art of the game, if you want to call it that, is to be able to judge when it is time to stay or time to go. Some times, Mother Nature doesn't give you a choice.
 
Agreed, this is why I would stick to deserted areas and regroup in an inaccessible place which I can fortify. :)

It is in our nature to survive but when you have an individual who for the first time taps into that reserve of instinct and primal defiance then that is how good men become bad.
 
Pretty intersting subject. Can someone give me a real world example of where it might be better to survive in place in a Urban environment then to bug out? I am drawing a blank. Seriously.
 
I recently updated my work/urban bag...

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UrbanKit-3.jpg


UrbanKit-4.jpg


UrbanKit-5.jpg


I do carry my CCW when not on the installation; unfortunately, I can't carry my personal stuff at work...although I do get an M4 and 9mm:D

ROCK6
ROCK6
Thanks for sharing your great kit with us. You are as always full of great practical ideas.
What are the tools that you carry?
The JB Kwik stuff is that epoxy or something else?
Any special meds in your first aid kit?
Do you include a water purifier?
Do you have an equipment list that you are willing to share?

Ira
 
The aftermath of any major disaster- If I survive the original wave I won't bug out in the wild but rather find a secure location in the city and scavenge to survive-

There are more resources in urban areas than in the wilderness so if you have the right tools and frame of mind then your chances of survival will increase as opposed to depending on nature for food and shelter. :)

Pretty intersting subject. Can someone give me a real world example of where it might be better to survive in place in a Urban environment then to bug out? I am drawing a blank. Seriously.
 
Can someone give me a real world example of where it might be better to survive in place in a Urban environment then to bug out? I am drawing a blank. Seriously.
Too many people have the concept that they can just "go". Without pre-scouting and a good plan of where to go, often it might be wise to stay put. You can stockpile more supplies at home than you can carry with you. If you have no set plan of where to go and how to re-supply, you may find that you put yourself in greater danger by going. There is no one correct answer for go or stay. I would suggest having options. The only way to create those options is to plan before hand. You have heard the phrase, "All dressed up and no where to go." Putting your kit together is a good idea but in itself, it is not enough.
 
Great thread. I've also arrived at the conclusion that (considering my location) it's a lot more feasible to "bug in" than to "bug out."

I've seen how choked up my multi-million population city gets literally within minutes after a few traffic lights go out, so I can't imagine how difficult it'd be to egress in a real catastrophe. There'd be no going anywhere via automobile, and no point going on foot because once I'm out of the city, I'm in the middle of a very inhospitable swamp. Basically, if I couldn't get out in ADVANCE, then I probably wouldn't be getting out for quite awhile.
 
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