Bushcraft in Full Flat Grind S90V !!!

C_Claycomb said:
I have thought a lot about what, if any, changes would be good on the Bushcraft. Apart from the steel and the grind, the easiest would be a slight blade shape change to incorporate a continuous curve. Something like this: (although the sketch could benefit from a little more point)

It is important that the curve not just sweep up to the tip all the way from the ricasso, it needs to sweep down to a max belly depth first so that it doesn't slide out of a cut, but the curve slices well and when done right makes a good wood cutter too..
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I have two premium bushcraft knives: an original Dan Koster Bladeforums bushcrafter in 3V and a Brian Andrews in 01. The Andrews blade has a continuous curve, like you mention. I find I much prefer the Koster blade with a good bit of straight edge to it. The curved edge seems harder to control, or something... it just doesn't feel as easy to work with or as precise as a straighter blade. (Funny part is, the Brian Andrews knife has a fantastic handle shape and though I don't care as much for its curved blade, it goes on every backpacking/canoe camping trip with me!)

I'm not sure what the actual advantages are to a fully-curved blade edge.

Stay sharp,
desmobob
 
desmobob said:
I have two premium bushcraft knives: an original Dan Koster Bladeforums bushcrafter in 3V and a Brian Andrews in 01. The Andrews blade has a continuous curve, like you mention. I find I much prefer the Koster blade with a good bit of straight edge to it. The curved edge seems harder to control, or something... it just doesn't feel as easy to work with or as precise as a straighter blade. (Funny part is, the Brian Andrews knife has a fantastic handle shape and though I don't care as much for its curved blade, it goes on every backpacking/canoe camping trip with me!)

I'm not sure what the actual advantages are to a fully-curved blade edge.

Stay sharp,
desmobob
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My friend Stuart Goring, who helped and encouraged the design of the Bushcraft, is good friends with Mors Kochanski and it has been my good fortune to accompany him on a couple of visits to Mors in Alberta. Mors is pretty set that a curved blade cuts better feather sticks and carves easier than a straight edge, and is pretty persuasive on the matter. Hence the profile of the Skookum blade:

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(from Rod Garcia's site)

The Spyderco bushcraft was first produced prior to my exposure to Mors, at which time I was with you on the straight edge since the only knives I had used with a curved blade had handles which were not comfortable or controllable for heavy cutting so I had not really compared the two styles like for like; hadn't even thought to do so. Since then I have had some of my knives with straight edges, and some with a curve, and while I haven't noticed a difference in control, I do notice that the curved blades bit just a little deeper and ran shavings with a little less effort than the straight edge.

As to why this should be so, I am not 100% sure. For chopping it is certainly to do with the curve allowing more of a point contact so that cutting force is concentrated, and this could apply for push cuts too.

I have not got on with all curved blades though. A friend of mine has one of these, inspired by the Skookum, and while the handle is somewhat more comfortable, everything I tried to cut skated away down the blade and off the tip. Spot the difference ;)
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C_Claycomb said:
My friend Stuart Goring, who helped and encouraged the design of the Bushcraft, is good friends with Mors Kochanski and it has been my good fortune to accompany him on a couple of visits to Mors in Alberta. Mors is pretty set that a curved blade cuts better feather sticks and carves easier than a straight edge, and is pretty persuasive on the matter.
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Thanks for the explanation! I'd guess that Mr. Kochanski has a bit more bushcraft experience than I, so I now have an open mind on curved blades. :)


I have not got on with all curved blades though. A friend of mine has one of these, inspired by the Skookum, and while the handle is somewhat more comfortable, everything I tried to cut skated away down the blade and off the tip. Spot the difference ;)
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The blade starts parallel to the handle and curves upward to the tip, vs. having a belly that curves down very slightly from the handle and back up to the tip?

Stay sharp,
desmobob
 
With the attention this thread keeps getting hopefully we are getting close to convincing Spyderco to go forward with this project. There seems to be great interest in some sort of variation on the current model and a different steel. The current model already garners widespread praise and I would expect nothing less from a new variation.
 
In post 69 page 4 Mr Glesser said they were going to make a sample and test it. They must think there is enough interest to invest some money exploring the concept...or he wants something special for his personal collection, I think hes trying for a rodent from Mars, and will trade knife for a mounted Martian
 
Bull Mountain Custom said:
With the attention this thread keeps getting hopefully we are getting close to convincing Spyderco to go forward with this project. There seems to be great interest in some sort of variation on the current model and a different steel. The current model already garners widespread praise and I would expect nothing less from a new variation.
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+1 :thumbup: exactly what we would love to see. Keep this awesome handle and with a stainless type steel - S90V :) -and some FFG blade variation. It would be a huge hit in the knife world for sure!
 
Im trying to be patient but I want one now!!! Lol. Ill have to go see if any of the stores in the city have some Spydercos I can fondle and have to buy...ysah thats whatll Ill tell my wife....the store had a drooling policy and i had to buy it...para, millie, or a temp 2 I think
 
It would be possible to speed up the process if Mr. Claycomb would design a full flat grind blade to go with his excellent handle. :D

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
It would be possible to speed up the process if Mr. Claycomb would design a full flat grind blade to go with his excellent handle. :D

sal
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WOO-HOO - as the OP, nothing would make me happier! How do we contact him Sal?
 
As I said in the other Bushcraft thread, I was looking for a Bushcraft when I spied a new South Fork, FB30G, at a price that was too good to walk away empty-handed from. If you want a slightly longer, flat grind, and thinner (.118" vs .140") blade of S90V steel in a slightly different profile G10 handle, consider the existing 'South Fork' model. Mine is a decent handfit in my medium+ sized hand with no obvious hot spots. The lack of jimping hasn't proved problematic, but I just bought it last evening. It made a decent mini-fuzzstick from it's register receipt, although the PM2 I also bought was a tad sharper. My quest for a Spydie Bushcraft knife is over.... for now!

Stainz
 
Sal Glesser said:
Post #102 was posted by Chris Claycomb. He is the designer of the Bushcraft model.

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I just sent this email to Mr. Claycomb through BF.


Mr. Claycomb - The quote below is by Mr. Sal Glesser of Spyderco - He needs you help and input - Please visit the thread

It would be possible to speed up the process if Mr. Claycomb would design a full flat grind blade to go with his excellent handle.

sal


DavidZ on BF


Hopefully he will get it and reply to us all!! :)
 
I got the email.

Guess I better get off my butt and dust off the grinder then, huh? ;).

Doing design for Spyderco always seems wrong, lol...worse than teaching grandma to suck eggs!
 
Hi Ted,

I beliee that the draw was for CPM-S90V because of the edge retention of the steel.

BTW, we've communicated with Crhis and he's working on a blade for the "NASA" version to go with his handle.

sal
 
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