Busse knives really worth the bux ?

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I haven't read all the thread, but I've skimmed it and I don't think anyone has mentioned my main reason for choosing a Busse.

Executive Summary: It's the most comfortable to use big knife that I've handled.

A good few years ago I was searching for the 'ultimate' big knife. To me, that meant one big enough for efficient chopping but not so big that I couldn't use it for other things too. So that you know, I have always had an issue getting knives to fit my hands well, just like the problem I have with my feet and boots.

In the search I got my hands on candidates from Fallkniven, Fehrman, Nexus, Busse and a few less expensive alternatives.

The Busse was an HH-FSH (Fusion Steel Heart, Heavy Heart version (thicker stock)) with magnum scales.

The HHFSH beat everything else for comfort in the hand, in a variety of grips, and both comfort and efficiency in extended wood chopping. The handle shape and size, weight, balance and blade design simply worked for me. It really is as close to perfect for the type of knife I was looking for as I can imagine.

The Fallknivens (which I still have for cold winter use) were comfortable enough to hold, but I found them less efficient for heavy chopping. My Nexus handle dug into my hand enough to cause pain quite quickly when chopping. The Ferhman knife was a gorgeous design and as much as I wanted it to work for me, it simply was nowhere near as good in my hand as the HHFSH. I perhaps found it a smidgeon better in the hand for non-chopping tasks than the Busse, but not enough to make a difference really. Nothing else came close to the Busse.

I did not really compare edge holding or anything else; all the main knives I tried had good steels and good reputations and would likely meet my needs in that respect.

So, the Busse won, by a big margin. To answer the original question, yes, Busse knives are definitely worth the cost - if they work for you as well as they do for me. If you have the cash spare, and don't desperately need it for more important survival stuff, go for it.

Recently, I had a few days with some friends in a forest in Brecon, Wales. The weather had been horribly wet for weeks and every bit of wood available was soaked almost to the core. So, a lot of battoning as well as chopping of hard and wet wood was the order of the day. The HHFSH is my go-to knife for any trip like this.

We kept a fairly large fire going for four days and nights, about half of the wood (a lot!) being supplied by me and the HHFSH. I don't wear gloves but the knife gave me no problems with blisters or the like, even with the tooling on the micarta. At the end of the trip, the knife would still shave arm hairs easily.

It did receive a little damage though. I managed to deeply roll about quarter of an inch of the belly, due to trying to batton through a rock that the log I was splitting was leaning against. Tip: Don't batton in the dark, after half a bottle of Jack Daniel's. No worries, a bit of effort on the stones fixed it right up. The lump of sandstone had a much deeper gouge in it than the knife. Had I noticed before trying to hammer through the rock thinking I had just found a knot, I might have got away with just steeling out the roll.

I think my Fallknivens would have chipped badly if subjected to that (admittedly stupid) abuse. I did chip the tip of a Fallkniven quite easily when it contacted some embedded grit once in driftwood. I was a bit surprised and dismayed at that.


On a final note, I have over the last year or so sold most of my Busse (and other) knives due to poor financial circumstances. I have got my money back on the Busses, with a small loss on some balanced by profits on others. That is in the UK where we have to pay about 30% more than you in the US for the knives, and that basically comes out of the 'investment' that Busse knives are seen as. So, still being able to get my money back after having the pleasure of owning the knives for a few years is remarkable.

I still have my HHFSH of course; that will be buried with me, just in case.
 
Foxyrick, nice post. I think that pretty much sums up many experiences. When you find the knife that works for you, the qwest is over and the rest is just icing. I found that in 1999, the rest has been icing.
 
I really feel very fortunate to have found, and be able to afford, the HHFSH. All the others have been very good icing indeed, and I still have a few that I can't part with except in the direst need, like my SFNO-LE. It's the HH that I reach for when the chips are down though, and that makes me grin just by taking hold of it.

I should really post a picture of it:

IMG_5393a.jpg
 
That Heavy Heart is nice! Always wanted one. :)

My heart lies with the older Busse stuff, no nonsense performance over looks, back when you could get one, use it or not, and sell if for what you had in it. Not the inflated, gotta make a buck or its not worth it, pricing.

I've got a few that are on my "keep it" list, Steel Heart E, Badger E, and a few others. Those E handles to me typify what I see in a true performer, not a pretty safe queen. I've also got one Straight Handle Steel Heart that will never leave me, smooth handles and a sharp edge. :D
 
Dwayne,
You know how I miss my ZTNO but I also had a smooth coat A2 SH1 that I REALLY miss as well... :(

There was a version of the SJ that I drooled for but cannot remember which it was.

Bill
 
Yep! The ZTNO is still on my grail list, probably not to be found. I did get my hands on a butt ground NOe that fills the bill almost as well. :)

I have one of the original run Satin Jacks, satin blade with black paper micarta, that I think imho is one of the best overall users in the line. I got it from a good friend that has since passed on, this one is one of those that will be handed down in my family, or to one of a very select few friends.

EDIT to add: Its so good to see some old friends here, if anything this thread has helped me reconnect with some old friends that have moved on from my old guard friends list.
 
Yep! The ZTNO is still on my grail list, probably not to be found. I did get my hands on a butt ground NOe that fills the bill almost as well. :)

I have one of the original run Satin Jacks, satin blade with black paper micarta, that I think imho is one of the best overall users in the line. I got it from a good friend that has since passed on, this one is one of those that will be handed down in my family, or to one of a very select few friends.

EDIT to add: Its so good to see some old friends here, if anything this thread has helped me reconnect with some old friends that have moved on from my old guard friends list.

The ZT line is awesome. Thinnest blades made. As for the Satin Jacks, I never cared for them because the blades were not wide enough for how thick they were. Blade geometry was just too thick for me, even though the jacks were only 0.22" or so.
 
The ZT line is awesome. Thinnest blades made. As for the Satin Jacks, I never cared for them because the blades were not wide enough for how thick they were. Blade geometry was just too thick for me, even though the jacks were only 0.22" or so.

Now that's an interesting comment that I never thought I'd hear about the SJ. I like it because of it's width. Are you talking about this line?

http://s137.beta.photobucket.com/user/sodak_photos/media/p1010068.jpg.html?sort=6&o=52

I have one of the newer SJ (NO? SF?), and I really thought I'd like it, but both the blade and the handle are a little too wide for my hands.
 
EDIT to add: Its so good to see some old friends here, if anything this thread has helped me reconnect with some old friends that have moved on from my old guard friends list.

That's how I felt, seeing familiar names here. I've been away for ages and didn't realise how much I missed it.

Great post Foxy, I think I am now going to have to convert one of my FSH to user status. ;)

It has to be done. The FSH is, to me at least, the ultimate Busse user. It even has its own logo on it!


My HH, after its 'you are now mine' sharpening but before its first use:
hhinh1.jpg



I (reluctantly) even sold my FBM rather than the HH. It was no contest really, even though it had my favourite scales: snakeskin. I've always wondered if an FBM-LE would suit me even better than the HH. I never got to find that out. My CGFBM had standard scales and I found they offered a little less grip for me than the magnums on the HH, to the extent that I could chop better with the shorter HH. Still, I'm only a shorty myself at 5'8, so the HH seems a well-proportioned size on my belt and in my hand.

I would still love an FBM-LE though, just because.

The earliest Busse I've been privileged to own was a BA-III in snakeskin. Absolutely beautiful knife, so much so (and knowing what it was worth - I picked it up for a fraction of that) that I was never able to use it even though I put a scary-sharp edge on it. After admiring it for a year or so, I let it go to someone who did plan on using it.

For those not familiar with it, the BA-III is at the bottom:
sfno3.jpg
 
I have one of the original run Satin Jacks, satin blade with black paper micarta, that I think imho is one of the best overall users in the line. I got it from a good friend that has since passed on, this one is one of those that will be handed down in my family, or to one of a very select few friends.

I used to have a Badger Attach III and a Satin Jack, both combat grade. The BAIII's blade felt to short and was IMO to thick for my uses so I traded it away. I got a good deal a Satin Jack [same handle as the BAIII] and Loved It! The blade to handle ratio felt good, the grinds were perfect for my uses and it was really comfy. Lost my job, ran out of savings and had to sell it to pay bills. It's one of the few knives that I wish I still had. :)
 
Now that's an interesting comment that I never thought I'd hear about the SJ. I like it because of it's width. Are you talking about this line?

http://s137.beta.photobucket.com/user/sodak_photos/media/p1010068.jpg.html?sort=6&o=52

I have one of the newer SJ (NO? SF?), and I really thought I'd like it, but both the blade and the handle are a little too wide for my hands.


when you say wide, I think you mean thickness not width? The width of a knife is from the spine to the edge, and in this regard, the SJ is not wide at all. For me the width of the blade is not enough. I like a wider blade on a knife that size. I prefer the NO or the Badger in that regard. But the SJ has it's uses I am sure.
 
Yeah, I'm talking the same "width" or "wideness" as you. Interesting. I like "less wide" blades, but I don't dare call them "skinnier". Oh well, to each their own, it's good that there are many models to choose from to satisfy us all.
 
Does Busse make a single good knife (at a time), ? sure, no question…Is the INFI steel the “be all to end all” for steel, not even close – It’s just basic steel with extra chromium added for extra hardness-- Whoopee! Which isn’t always that good an idea with steel…

When you only make one knife and the only options are handle material and colour of the blade and/or handle -- unless you go through their "Custom Shop", then that is not a custom knife! Hell, I don’t know what you catalogue it as...Aren't I buying a custom knife for $347 (10¼” of 3/16th”)? That's at least what I'm being told by people, die hard fans, here on the forum...Then what's their "Custom Shop" all about--a super duper custom knife works B U T they still only offer the one blade B U T now they’ll finish it off for you, take care of the sharp edges and then charge you for that service—on a custom knife!!! They then turn around and charge you $90 for a sheath for it or are these knives only to be used as safe queens—Oh, look at my new Busse—No we can’t take it out to chop down trees with! Aren’t you supposed to use them? How do you then transport them? So the knife is actually $437 plus whatever the "Custom Shop" charges you…?


(Busses') policies are buy what WE offer not what you want or need because you're buying one of OUR blades and if you want one or OUR blades this is what you get—like it or not...I’d like a few more options then that when spending REPLACE000+ regardless how superior they say their steel is -- Which by the way, nine (possibly eleven) other knife steels are rated with similar nitrogen properties including one with a much higher level--15 times as much (Vancron 40 by Bohler-Uddeholm is 1.80N)—INFI is 0.11N, CPM S30V by Crucible and H1 by Myodo are both 0.10N and 14C28N by Sandvik is 0.08N and the last two are truly great knife steels especially the H1 and all are non-propriety to boot …




The last but not the least, hyperbole people around Busse Knives it's about kissing ass for few$ of discount....than anything else!!!



Busse knives really worth the bux ? NO!
 
The ZT line is awesome. Thinnest blades made. As for the Satin Jacks, I never cared for them because the blades were not wide enough for how thick they were. Blade geometry was just too thick for me, even though the jacks were only 0.22" or so.
I think the 3/16ths SJ's were the best blade width to thickness ratio of the two, but the convex edges on the first satin blade/black paper micarta .22 models were not bad at all. I also had one that had the asymmetric edge that was almost 1/4", interesting edge for a slicer, I liked it.

I used to have a Badger Attach III and a Satin Jack, both combat grade. The BAIII's blade felt to short and was IMO to thick for my uses so I traded it away. I got a good deal a Satin Jack [same handle as the BAIII] and Loved It! The blade to handle ratio felt good, the grinds were perfect for my uses and it was really comfy. Lost my job, ran out of savings and had to sell it to pay bills. It's one of the few knives that I wish I still had. :)
I remember that Badger, nifty little knife! Didn't know you had a Jack too, I would miss it as well. Sorry you had to let it go. They are becoming quite uncommon.

kissmybutt, your prose style is very familiar, have we met before?
 
Does Busse make a single good knife (at a time), ? sure, no question…Is the INFI steel the “be all to end all” for steel, not even close – It’s just basic steel with extra chromium added for extra hardness-- Whoopee! Which isn’t always that good an idea with steel…

When you only make one knife and the only options are handle material and colour of the blade and/or handle -- unless you go through their "Custom Shop", then that is not a custom knife! Hell, I don’t know what you catalogue it as...Aren't I buying a custom knife for $347 (10¼” of 3/16th”)? That's at least what I'm being told by people, die hard fans, here on the forum...Then what's their "Custom Shop" all about--a super duper custom knife works B U T they still only offer the one blade B U T now they’ll finish it off for you, take care of the sharp edges and then charge you for that service—on a custom knife!!! They then turn around and charge you $90 for a sheath for it or are these knives only to be used as safe queens—Oh, look at my new Busse—No we can’t take it out to chop down trees with! Aren’t you supposed to use them? How do you then transport them? So the knife is actually $437 plus whatever the "Custom Shop" charges you…?


(Busses') policies are buy what WE offer not what you want or need because you're buying one of OUR blades and if you want one or OUR blades this is what you get—like it or not...I’d like a few more options then that when spending REPLACE000+ regardless how superior they say their steel is -- Which by the way, nine (possibly eleven) other knife steels are rated with similar nitrogen properties including one with a much higher level--15 times as much (Vancron 40 by Bohler-Uddeholm is 1.80N)—INFI is 0.11N, CPM S30V by Crucible and H1 by Myodo are both 0.10N and 14C28N by Sandvik is 0.08N and the last two are truly great knife steels especially the H1 and all are non-propriety to boot …




The last but not the least, hyperbole people around Busse Knives it's about kissing ass for few$ of discount....than anything else!!!



Busse knives really worth the bux ? NO!

Agreed
That's why I only bought one knife from them so far I did like ! (If that doesn't bother them it doesn't bother me!) Well I guess u just have to wait for stuff u like from them. Just get over it. There is plenty more people making knives:)

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Actually I do like one more knife they made before, but it's not available any more and people are asking close to $2000 for it now lol which I have not problem paying but the value is not actually there for the same exact reasons u mention before
 
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Does Busse make a single good knife (at a time), ? sure, no question…Is the INFI steel the “be all to end all” for steel, not even close – It’s just basic steel with extra chromium added for extra hardness-- Whoopee! Which isn’t always that good an idea with steel…

When you only make one knife and the only options are handle material and colour of the blade and/or handle -- unless you go through their "Custom Shop", then that is not a custom knife! Hell, I don’t know what you catalogue it as...Aren't I buying a custom knife for $347 (10¼” of 3/16th”)? That's at least what I'm being told by people, die hard fans, here on the forum...Then what's their "Custom Shop" all about--a super duper custom knife works B U T they still only offer the one blade B U T now they’ll finish it off for you, take care of the sharp edges and then charge you for that service—on a custom knife!!! They then turn around and charge you $90 for a sheath for it or are these knives only to be used as safe queens—Oh, look at my new Busse—No we can’t take it out to chop down trees with! Aren’t you supposed to use them? How do you then transport them? So the knife is actually $437 plus whatever the "Custom Shop" charges you…?


(Busses') policies are buy what WE offer not what you want or need because you're buying one of OUR blades and if you want one or OUR blades this is what you get—like it or not...I’d like a few more options then that when spending REPLACE000+ regardless how superior they say their steel is -- Which by the way, nine (possibly eleven) other knife steels are rated with similar nitrogen properties including one with a much higher level--15 times as much (Vancron 40 by Bohler-Uddeholm is 1.80N)—INFI is 0.11N, CPM S30V by Crucible and H1 by Myodo are both 0.10N and 14C28N by Sandvik is 0.08N and the last two are truly great knife steels especially the H1 and all are non-propriety to boot …




The last but not the least, hyperbole people around Busse Knives it's about kissing ass for few$ of discount....than anything else!!!



Busse knives really worth the bux ? NO!

Ever owned/used one?
 
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