Busse knives really worth the bux ?

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baldtaco-II said:
...Prior to that I had an Ontario RAT 7 that I liked, but I was dumb in my choice. I picked the 1095 one. ... That was foolish because a buddy that also had a RAT 7 but his was in D2, a knife that for all practical purposes was indistinguishable save for his didn't go ginger. Now here's where it gets to a bind. One would have thought I'd just get a D2 one, but that violates policy. The policy is that I can't buy the same one twice.
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The D2 Rat-7 is a sweet little knife.


I liked mine so much, I did buy a second one.


Busse has something similar, but a bit bigger in the SARGE-7.






Bigger, but not too thick.
 
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Maniacal Pete said:
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And lots of knives are made of carbon steel,
I'll bet most of 42's blades are such.
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Yup! :D

foxyrick said:
[snip]Surely that's the case with any knife though, or just about anything where there is a choice.

I suppose with something really cheap, like a mora, most people would not have the hassle of reselling it if they did not like it. A lot of time and effort can be avoided by studying carefully what one's true requirements are (which can include the hypothetical if one sees a knife as an insurance policy) and reading places like this for others' opinions. Even so, it's obviously still not a given that any particular knife suits an individual.

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Right. Like I said, it's about minimizing the chances that you won't like it. That doesn't mean that there's zero risk, but getting opinion from people with similar uses to your own, looking at videos and user pictures, and being familiar with your needs and wants go a long way.
 
baldtaco-II said:
What might strike you as maintenance might strike someone else as mollycoddling or pampering. This is subjective. Some people would do well to look up what the difference between subjective and objective is before they post in this thread too. Because it is subjective there is no universal right answer and only a cretin would argue that there is. The flip side of that is my answer cannot be definitively right or wrong for everyone. So, when I say that I found it bad value because it corrodes easily that cannot be wrong. That's not a wine[sic], that is a subjective value statement in response to a question. ...............................................................If folks here were more interested in a discussion rather than dipshit fanboy posturing I would have put the case as to why that is my answer. Likewise, I'd be interested in why someone else might feel that is not the case for them. Unless I'm given reason to believe that people can at least achieve the base line standard of understanding the difference between what is subjective and what is objective that isn't likely to happen. The most I'm willing to offer up is an objective statement of fact - that they corrode very easily, the objective statement that unlike knives of yesteryear I don't have to put up with that because other modern manufacturers make knives in steels that do the job just as well but don't corrode like that, and the subjective statement that I think that makes them poor value.................................................................What MS makes has zero bearing on this. That's a chaff flare sent up exclusively to divert attention and I am not easily enough distracted to fall for that. MS habitually use lots of different materials that need pampering, so what...........................................................................The thing that is very unfortunate about this thread is the repeated attempts to polarize it. I refuse to play like that because it is stupid. It's as if there is an either “you're for us or against us” mentality seeping out from some quarters. I understand how the halo effect works and some people will worship everything Busse has ever done no matter how crappy it is. It's their special snowflake, unimpeachable and not amenable to reason. Even that thing I posted above that the owner measured to have the geometry of a cold chisel and described by him as like a 3lb hammer can get explained away. The fact that is a really shitty shape to make a cutting tool no matter who makes it or what it is made from will get completely disregarded. The opposite halo also applies. There are things people don't like about the marketing of Busse, or the sycophancy, or that when you're a member of a Busse group forum a person in authority will always be on hand to promote the product or pretend to be your friend and chat home-life stuff when it suits, but when it comes to getting straight answers to stuff like “did the Busse group actually make this or is it just a re-badged OEM” you get silence. That's sets up an unreasonable negative halo and everything about Busse sux. That's just as daft as the rampant fanboyism. I drew attention to that on page 20, both camps are suffering from the same type of intellectual deficiency, only one is for Busse and one is against. I also drew attention to the fact that those of us that aren't mental midgets might find some merit in some of them..................................................................I really don't think this thread is doing anything productive now. I suspected that a while back and figured I'd bailed. We'd pretty much ended up at the mealy mouthed “well people will like what they like” and it obviously wasn't going to advance much further than that. I was only lured back in to correct two statements that were objectively wrong, not subjective opinion, but as a matter of fact wrong. One was about IP addresses, and the other that crock of boswellox that went “self formed opinions based on the busse KNIFE/s you/others have owned and more importantly, used is all that really belongs here”, like I couldn't tell from a photo that a car with oval wheels wasn't going to be great value............................................................................................................I'd prefer to exit this thread on an upbeat note and the best way for me to do that is to recap what I said at the start. Some Busse stuff offers awful value. It's not awful value because it is Busse it is awful value for solving the tasks I require knives to solve because of the shape of the device and / or the cost of going that route to the solution, no matter who makes it. On the other hand some look really good. I then went to expand about some of the little ones with the Mudder grips and how I found a degree of parity between some of those and my Linder Super Edge that I adored. I even made special mention of the new Elmax ones looking like they were potentially very good indeed. One really does need to think bigger and beyond the halo to see the nuance in the grey. One thing is for sure and that is I will not be drawn into some idiotic polar position about every knife Busse has made, it's beneath me and I hope in the future it will be beneath all of you too and not just some of you.
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Hey bt-II, in view of the upcoming holiday season, I thought I'd pick you up a little somethin'. :D




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Guyon said:
I'm confused and still don't know if Busse knives are worth the bucks. Isn't this a simple yes/no matter?
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Yes, that is the question and the answer is of course, YES. They are worth the bucks if they are what you want.
 
With all the Busse knife threads on this forum, I think many are suspicious of anyone who starts a new "Busse worth it" thread. If people could just use the search function, they would learn a lot about Busse knives. Instead they lazily just ask another question or maybe they ask in order to start a zhit storm. I am by no means stating that this was the OP's intent, as it does not seem to me to be. It does get tiring beating a dead horse, however. The fact is that the only people qualified to talk whether Busse's are worth it are those who have used them heavily. Collectors, who have never used one are not qualified as those knives are just art pieces or investments. As one who is more than qualified, I will state and finish being on this thread with, Yes, they are. However, if you take value into account, you will find that you can do 80-90% of what a busse can do for much less. Like, for example, Esse.
 
Plus, I hear that Gary Busey is a heck of a guy! :D

I do have to wonder why he is afraid to provide sheaths for his 'spensive nifes though. :confused:
 
The sheath argument is another dead horse.

Back when he did provide a simple nylon sheath the resounding comments were "great knife! crappy sheath!" I've got a drawer full of those things.

When the line changed to the "fusion" he made the decision to discontinue the sheaths and instead endorse a selected number of sheath makers. There's a few of us who make sheaths and holsters full time, it was a great opportunity.

There are far far fewer arguments about the absence of sheaths than there were about those awful nylon things. So I figure he made the right choice.

I did a search online the last time someone mentioned the sheath thing, and there are quite a few makers who do no provide a sheath, instead they either outsource or simply send the knife nekkid. Makers outsourcing their sheath work provides opportunities for those of us like Sandy Morissey, Paul Long, and myself to feed our families and the buyer gets the best of each art form.

There's a few knife makers out there providing a sub par sheath on a beautifully made knife and it just ruins the pairing. The sheath should perform and look as good as the knife it houses. In some cases it should outperform, especially those going with the troops.
 
leatherman said:
The sheath argument is another dead horse...
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I see. Well, I suppose it is only a dead horse to those who spend their time in that particular forum or have a stake in their decision to not provide sheaths. THIS thread is taking place among the general forum population, not in that manufacturer forum. Still, to most non-Bussephiles, it is counterintuitive to buy an expensive sheath knife which comes with no sheath when many less expensive knives have been sold for a century with included servicible sheaths. It just seems like buying a Caddy with no upholstery because some want silk and others want leather but you are only known to provide cheap naugahide. :p
 
I think people willing to buy Busses would rather have a sheath made to their own tastes. Some like leather, some like kydex, and lots of folks have specialized needs or wants when it comes to a good rig for their purposes. Not including a sheath means folks don't have to pay extra for a sheath that isn't perfect for them. So I agree with Busse's decision on that account. :)
 
This.^
Not everyone can make a sheath as nice a Dozier.
Bob's knives are worth the bux too, imo.
 
I think the sheath issue can be argued either way.

ESEE and BRKT include perfectly serviceable
sheaths with their knives.

I haven't felt the need to upgrade,
so I've saved a few bucks there.
 
Codger_64 said:
I see. Well, I suppose it is only a dead horse to those who spend their time in that particular forum or have a stake in their decision to not provide sheaths. THIS thread is taking place among the general forum population, not in that manufacturer forum. Still, to most non-Bussephiles, it is counterintuitive to buy an expensive sheath knife which comes with no sheath when many less expensive knives have been sold for a century with included servicible sheaths. It just seems like buying a Caddy with no upholstery because some want silk and others want leather but you are only known to provide cheap naugahide. :p
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Yeah that is one thing that really irritates me about Busse. Who gives a S**t if someone complains about the stock nylon sheaths. Go order something different then:rolleyes:

It sucks when you get your knife in the mail, then you have to order a sheath seperately which could take awhile for it to arrive.

Some people actually want to be able to carry their knife the day they recieve it:(
 
It should perhaps be noted that the Bussecombat website is currently offering both a Spec-ops Combat Master, and a less expensive nylon/kydex alternative, as optional purchases. That is as well as recommending a number of custom sheath makers.

I am in the camp that would like a basic sheath, along the lines of the Combat Master, with the knives I bought from Busse. I can understand that the decision not to provide one makes more sense for a lot of people though. Optional is the best option!
 
Or you could just do like me and have a few different size nylon sheaths onhand to use until you get custom ones for your new stuff. No big deal. You have the scrapyard nylon too
 
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