Busse knives really worth the bux ?

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leatherman said:
Sorry, I should have rephrased that as been out of the busse loop for a while. :o There was a lot of discussion a while back about having a choil less option on some knives, and others that simply started out that way like the Muk and Sar 5. :)

I've not ventured too far from the sheaths n such forum, and my own little corner, but I like this outdoors trio of forums! I've got to get out more. :o
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Yeah I have been that. I was sort of waiting to see if they ever produced the smaller nessmuk prototype that they were talking about. Did they?? I checked in a couple times but from what I could glean they had just produced a larger version.
 
Yea, so far the biggun, I really want to see the "mini muk" as its simply more useful to me. I have some inner hopes that the mini muk will be a swamp rat offering as I much prefer sr101 for game and such. Its gong to take a huge improvement to make me give up my Rat Hunter as an all purpose skinner/processor. The right basic shape was there in the Busse Pork Belly Skinner, but the thickness and edge were not useful.

ScrapYard has a "scrap muk" that I had high hopes for, but its nearly as big as the Busse Muk. :( Hard to beat the steel used though.

SR101 or 154CM and I am there no matter what I have to sell to get there, or the much discussed INFI2 (A higher hardness) will get me somewhat sold as well.
 
leatherman said:
Yea, so far the biggun, I really want to see the "mini muk" as its simply more useful to me. I have some inner hopes that the mini muk will be a swamp rat offering as I much prefer sr101 for game and such. Its gong to take a huge improvement to make me give up my Rat Hunter as an all purpose skinner/processor. The right basic shape was there in the Busse Pork Belly Skinner, but the thickness and edge were not useful.

ScrapYard has a "scrap muk" that I had high hopes for, but its nearly as big as the Busse Muk. :( Hard to beat the steel used though.

SR101 or 154CM and I am there no matter what I have to sell to get there, or the much discussed INFI2 (A higher hardness) will get me somewhat sold as well.
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We have been begging for a Swamp muk since the new chat was put up. So far its a no go but if they do a muk in SR101 at say 60 or hrc with a 1/8th inch blade they may very well have just created the best skinning tool known to man.
 
I think Busse knives are worth the money. They hold their value too, even after being used...hard. I have never seen a knife keep so much of its value even after being sharpened (sometimes on a rock) and used to cut things like chain and other hard objects. They really arent that expensive if you consider other production knife prices. Seen the price of a Hinderer XM-18 lately? Talk about rarefied air! Also look at Scrap Yard knives. I love mine, they are fantastic value!
 
Busse's are just overpriced impractical and heavy sharpened prybars. Not worth the ridiculous amount of money they are asking for at all, and this is coming from a guy who has owned a CGFBM. Probably the biggest knife related mistake I have ever done was buy that Battle Mistress.
 
Metal Made Fox said:
Busse's are just overpriced impractical and heavy sharpened prybars. Not worth the ridiculous amount of money they are asking for at all, and this is coming from a guy who has owned a CGFBM. Probably the biggest knife related mistake I have ever done was buy that Battle Mistress.
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It's worth asking... Did you buy your CGFBM directly through Busse or on the secondary market/Dealer? Just curious. :) ...Because speaking of Hinderer XM-18's, the base price of the CGFBM model when it was offered was exactly $2 more than a current priced production 3" or 3.5" XM-18 directly from Rick... Not so ridiculous when you think about it. ;)

And since some of Busse's past offerings are no thicker than .150", .140", .125", or even .090" at the spine...may I ask what thickness you consider to not be a "sharpened prybar"? Again, just curious! :D
 
INFI wouldn't be at the top of the food chain if it weren't worth the $.
The Battle Mistress is not a toy...
Try the HACK series for some thinner / lighter stock.
 
HuntBomb said:
INFI wouldn't be at the top of the food chain if it weren't worth the $.
The Battle Mistress is not a toy...
Try the HACK series for some thinner / lighter stock.
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That doesn't mean it isn't worth the money to many--it's just that you're equating performance of a raw material with the price the final product commands. Lots of things, such as scarcity and consumer perception of the product, are contributors to the price a product commands--not just performance of materials. It's not always a straight-line direct relationship. And remember--plenty of things that are THE BEST at what they do are not cost effective, and are therefore usually not worth the money. :)
 
leatherman said:
Yea, so far the biggun, I really want to see the "mini muk" as its simply more useful to me. I have some inner hopes that the mini muk will be a swamp rat offering as I much prefer sr101 for game and such. Its gong to take a huge improvement to make me give up my Rat Hunter as an all purpose skinner/processor. The right basic shape was there in the Busse Pork Belly Skinner, but the thickness and edge were not useful.

ScrapYard has a "scrap muk" that I had high hopes for, but its nearly as big as the Busse Muk. :( Hard to beat the steel used though.

SR101 or 154CM and I am there no matter what I have to sell to get there, or the much discussed INFI2 (A higher hardness) will get me somewhat sold as well.
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Big favor. If you guys see it comes out and you manage to remember. Let me know. Tedwca often gives me the heads up on the scrapyard stuff.
 
Ted is very good people, a good friend. :)

I'll be sure to jump up and down and run around the block like a mad man when and if this thing happens. :p Oh, and send an e-mail to you if the local constabulary does not catch me first. :D

Keep your fingers crossed that its going to be in SR101, the best overall performer that I've found yet for game of the Busse kin, aside from the old school Badger E handle that is. I dont know whats different, but that badger is amazing for its ability to chop and slice and hold an edge over anything besides one very special forged skinner a friend of mine has. I'm honestly still dumfounded.

I dont know if you have seen the comparison I did a few years back at a deer season to be remembered. We worked with several hunters skinning and processing deer and pig for an entire season. We went through over 50 deer in that time. I got to test out quite a few Busse kin knives against and along side some well known makers stuff. Some were rather surprising, others were no surprise at all. For you purists, Busse did get a fair shake, failed at some and went beyond expectations on others, just like a few others who are lauded. The key in a few of these knives that like to state overall performance is getting into the joint and cutting the main ligaments and tendons. Its where they shine or fail miserably. It was an interesting time to be certain, and reaffirmed my beliefs in some brands and managed to confuse me in others.
 
once you get past the aggravation of the obnoxious fan boys, and the limited availability marketing, they are not too bad.
 
Both are relatively new, get back to the "old school" and you'll see another world entirely. Pre fusion, worth a peek.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Sorry if I offended your sensibilities, but I don't think the sarcasm is necessary. :o
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FortyTwoBlades said:
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Curious.

So, you make and sell knives?

Is it considered normal for a knife manufacturer to behave in this manner on a public forum
(going to the effort to use a meme generator to generate an image to apparently mock a poster)?

This kind of behavior can't possibly reflect well upon your own brand, Baryonyx Knife Co.
when a potential customer is searching your name for a review.

I would think professional respect for your competitors and their fans would be de rigueur,
even if it meant sometimes biting your tongue. ;)

I mean you don't see Jerry Busse stooping to the level of slumming around the forums
trying to argue over and over why his competitor's offerings are not worth the $.

FWIW, my opinion remains unchanged on the matter.

I, myself, still happen to think that Busse knives are worth the money,
regardless of how someone else may elect to argue, qualify,
belittle and /or negate the value of my opinion.


Cheers! :)



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FortyTwoBlades said:
This isn't a criticism, as I live by the motto of "use what works for you" but I find an inexpensive, quality machete like an Imacasa or Tramontina can ALSO handle just about anything you throw at it in the woods. If you spend a little more and get a Condor it'll even come with a sheath. :p

That's the performance-per-dollar competition it's up against for folks like me.
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Was wondering when you would mention Condor. Never had one but for $30 plus shipping, the Hudson Bay CAmp knife looks like its performance to cost ratio will be stratospheric.
 
Maniacal Pete said:
Curious.

So, you make and sell knives?

Is it considered normal for a knife manufacturer to behave in this manner on a public forum
(going to the effort to use a meme generator to generate an image to apparently mock a poster)?

This kind of behavior can't possibly reflect well upon your own brand, Baryonyx Knife Co.
when a potential customer is searching your name for a review.

I would think professional respect for your competitors and their fans would be de rigueur,
even if it meant sometimes biting your tongue. ;)

I mean you don't see Jerry Busse stooping to the level of slumming around the forums
trying to argue over and over why his competitor's offerings are not worth the $.

FWIW, my opinion remains unchanged on the matter.

I, myself, still happen to think that Busse knives are worth the money,
regardless of how someone else may elect to argue, qualify,
belittle and /or negate the value of my opinion.


Cheers! :)



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I don't make knives personally, no. I'm a retailer. And I think you're seriously misinterpreting me--it's not my intention to mock Huntbomb. It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. :) If you read my explanation under the image I state that the thing I was taking issue with was the concept that the performance of the raw material must mean it's worth the money. That's not always the case, regardless of brand or maker. There are a number of factors that affect price much more heavily, and one of the most influential of those factors is marketing. Again, regardless of brand.

My response wasn't even necessarily about Busse/Bussekin, but rather a response to a statement that happened to be made regarding the brand specifically. Again, I repeat, they are definitely worth the money to plenty of people and they're a quality product. I've never asserted that they aren't quality or that other people shouldn't buy them, or that they don't meet the needs of their customers. They're an outstanding company and they have my respect. But there are a lot of misconceptions out there regarding the way the knife industry works and I was attempting to shed some light on the matter.

I'm not "slumming around the forums" and Busse is not a competitor of mine. What we're discussing is what actually plays a role in a knife being worth it to an individual or not and factors that influence pricing. There are significant differences from person to person in terms of what they consider to make a knife appealing and why. I happen to have a viewpoint that's different from some others here, but that doesn't mean that their (or your) opinion is any less important or valuable than mine.
 
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I have owned Busse, Swamprat, and Scrapyard.

I have always been impressed with their offerings.

I never drove any of my Busse, Swamprat, or Scrapyard knives to what I would refer to as "The point where average steel ends and Busse/Kin performance begins."

I think most people are in the same boat as me.

These days I would rather give my money to Scott Gossman and have something built to my specifications rather than locate a Busse / Kin model that is close to what I want then play ganza or secondary market games to acquire it.

-Stan
 
Man, I remember when Hartsfield "used" to get hate like this.
Get a knife you like and end of story.
 
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