Busse knives really worth the bux ?

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A steak dinner with all the trimmings(Busse Combat) or ramen noodles with a can of pork & beans(cheap kitchen knife) will get you to about the same place but what would you choose and why? Life is about what you like not always "will it get the job done".
 
Some folks LIKE pork n' beans though. Maybe with a little brown bread in a can. :)
 
I figure that my best FB knives now are ESEE's considering my knife use\interest\philosophy. I tend to, but not always, buy with outdoor use in mind. Am I really gaining much more in a knife by going from ESEE to Busse ? If I'm paying 3-4 times more for the knife, will I get a 3-4 times better knife ? I know about the Busse mystique and have read up on INFI, which sounds impressive. I'm asking here because we generally buy for practical outdoor utility, not status. But I will admit that my attraction is growing for Busse.

Your question has been answered pretty well. The consensus seems to be that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Just as a personal anecdote, I own two Busse knives and I have owned and used all of the ESEE knives. I gave away all of my ESEE knives except my 3, which I am keeping for sentimental reasons (it has been literally all over the world). They are good knives but I wasn't using them so I gave them to people who would. I am not a knife collector. I am more of a knife user. The only collectible knife I own and have not used is my Randall Airman. I bought it intending to use it but that was 5 years before I actually got it and my knife use patterns had changed by that time.
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The two Busse knives that have worked best for me are the Badger and the Boss Jack. I've used both of those in some environments that some people might consider extreme. I have not had any performance issues with either of those knives. They are on the thinner side relative to a lot of the Busse offerings and that is probably why I like them. I do not currently use fixed blade knives in the 3-7 inch range as choppers. I use them more for things like cleaning game, processing food, making shavings and just general utility. I have rarely found the need to baton wood. Thus the thinner blade works a little better for me.
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If I am remembering right, I owned both of my Busse knives before I even knew what an ESEE was. My favorite in the ESEE line is the 3. I used the heck out of that knife for 1.5 years in some pretty awful places. It never let me down.
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My current favorite fixed blade in the 3-7 inch range is a BK-16. I switch knives not because there is something wrong with the one I was using before. I switch because variety is the spice of life, although I do like the handle on the BK-16 better than on any of the Busse or ESEE knives I've used.
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To address a couple other things mentioned in this thread, yes the fan base of Busse, ESEE and Becker can be very devoted. I fully confess to being in the fan base of all three and a little bit nuts myself. I am friends with both Jeff Randall (ESEE) and Ethan Becker (Becker Knife and Tool.) I vouch for both of those guys. I have never met Mr. Busse, but the people who have seem to say nice things about him. Maybe that is one of the reasons why all three companies are doing so well.

In my experience, the Busse knives tend to at least hold their value over time, but my knowledge of Busse only stretches back to the Badger. That aspect of the knives isn't really important to me. Again, I'm a user, not a collector. I've never sold a knife and probably never will. I do give knives away quite frequently, however.

Finally, I should say something I've learned about the whole grail knife thing. Your grail knife can only be designed and made by you and may change over time. Your patterns of knife use can and will change over time and what is ideal for you now might not be so great in half a dozen years. I learned this by designing and making my own machete from a lawnmower blade.
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It is the best machete I have ever used up to this point in my life. It ought to be. I made it. I know that is circular reasoning, kinda like saying "I like things that I like", but trust me, there is something to be learned there.
 
You... had one and liked it so well you gave it away? Wait... :D

I prefer folders in that blade length anyway.
If I'm carrying something with that little cutting edge, I don't like having a handle jabbing me.
 
Functionally probbably no.

Pluss the Esee and the Busse both have the crappy choil notch and steep grinds which for me render them less than desirable.

However a used Busse in a survival situation could be sold for a higher price than a used Esee and that means in a SHTF situation you could potentially buy more Moras that you can actuall USE.;)
 
Yep, you can get them without the choil and you can get what is referred to as a "skinny", which are thin versions of a given model. When looking at Busse attention has to be on the details. Many of the smaller models can be had at a good price. I am not a Busse fanatic but do like the ones I have. But I like Randalls better.
 
:D Methinks Hollowdweller has been out of the loops for a while. :D

Good to see you again old friend. :) How you been?
 
But it just seems like I keep making slow incremental steps to better knives\gear.

This is why I value the forums. It is good for me to have a few splashes of cold reality in some of my cutting tool purchases.

i've read plenty of your threads over the years. honestly, i think you have more than enough quality knives already but what i haven't seen enough of are skills-related threads and would suggest that you focus that energy towards those instead? we could use more threads over on the w&ss sub-forum :D
 
I think I fall into that category with a ribbon.... due to work and family responsibilities, little time to actually get out. So the focus becomes learning about and trying gear in the back yard. The focus "should" be getting out but between my wife working every Saturday for the last year, me working many double shifts and my son working after school and on weekends/ kids living with their Mom= terrible limit on opportunities. It is a tough cycle to break.

I just scored a Ratmandu and will be eager to see how it fits my hand/uses. Eager as well for something I have talked to Bryan Breeden about. Knives are like boots for me, even if they are the best of the best, if they do not fit "my" feet...they are no good to me. Busse are excellent knives but if you cannot find one that fits your needs, no reason to pay the bucks for something that is not a fit. I wish I had tried Ferhman before the prices climbed so high, they are another one with a great rep.

Bill
 
:D Methinks Hollowdweller has been out of the loops for a while. :D

Good to see you again old friend. :) How you been?

Leatherman,

Good. I'm on here every day though(check out my post count), maybe we just frequent difft parts of the forum!

How goes it with you!:thumbup:
 
Sorry, I should have rephrased that as been out of the busse loop for a while. :o There was a lot of discussion a while back about having a choil less option on some knives, and others that simply started out that way like the Muk and Sar 5. :)

I've not ventured too far from the sheaths n such forum, and my own little corner, but I like this outdoors trio of forums! I've got to get out more. :o
 
The INFI steel is great, but no better than CPM 3V in my opinion, and maybe no better than some other top quality steels. What matters most is getting a well made design that works for your intended purpose, no matter who made it. A lot of the Busse knives have rather flat handles, and thick blades, and are designed more as combat knives than as bushcraft/outdoor survival knives; but some Busse knives make great bushcraft/camping blades. If possible, try before you buy...
 
Is Busse worth the cash? The answer is different for everyone. Is INFI needed or the best steel in the world, same thing... lots of answers there too.. I have some Busses, I don't think think cut or last longer.. Just something I liked and wanted to use/see. We could all get by with just a cheap machete, axe, and SAK. But what fun would that be.
 
ESEE makes good knives, but they use one of the most common knife steels, so there's more concern about damage.

Umm... WHAT?!? This statement makes no sense.

It's a common steel because it's a proven steel, hence lots of makers/manufacturers use it. There's in no way more concern for damage just cause it a common steel.


Ugh...

I never made it past the first page, did I miss anything important.

-sh00ter
 
We could all get by with just a cheap machete, axe, and SAK. But what fun would that be.

I don't know--give me inexpensive (not cheap!) machetes any day of the week and I'll show you some fun! Machetes and scythes are the two edged tools that give me the most satisfaction in use. :) But yes--variety is nice and we all have different tastes.
 
Busse's are good knives, but not better then ESEE or similar brand in my opinion. Some of them are also non-useful, due the enormous thickness, always IMHO.
 
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