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basically, it's speed bag versus heavy bag.

"FACEFACEFACEFACEFACE!!!!"
vs
"solid strike to the jaw in a torqueing fashion to get a good fast rotation of the head, helping to increase the chance of immediate black out"

physcological drive vs. intent.


also, I don't know what the hell i'm talking about so feel free to throw out anything i've said so far.
 
Pikal is a point driven sewing machine method. Rips/Tears and slashes are secondary only if the path to the target is obstructed. It is a very direct and aggressive forward driven method. Knife vs Knife scenarios are much less likely than Knife vs unarmed or knife vs multiple attackers. So yes if both guys are using RGEI then the person faster to the rip during a stoppage would win out. If RGEI vs standard Reverse Grip then RGEI would rip and fillet because of the Edge In while the standard Reverse Grip would just be a trap/hook.
 
Ban said:
Pikal is a point driven sewing machine method. Rips/Tears and slashes are secondary only if the path to the target is obstructed. It is a very direct and aggressive forward driven method. Knife vs Knife scenarios are much less likely than Knife vs unarmed or knife vs multiple attackers. So yes if both guys are using RGEI then the person faster to the rip during a stoppage would win out. If RGEI vs standard Reverse Grip then RGEI would rip and fillet because of the Edge In while the standard Reverse Grip would just be a trap/hook.
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I apologize if what I said sounded like I didn't like the pikal system, it's one of the only knife systems i've seen that I actually liked all the way around other then my brothers system. I was trying to say that I dislike piper a lot, more then trying to say anything bad about pikal.

all I had to go on was what was available on the piper and shivworks website.

http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/opencms/ironmind/ExtremePages/extremepage8.html

i've always felt that people don't put enough emphasis on forearm strength where knife use is concerned, and for the rgei grip, there are excellent strength training routines for it. an example of that is the above link. in his book, brad johnson also gives a routine of doing the same push up type but using a wooden dowell as your gripping surface, wich is essentially the same type of grip required for a dragging rgei edge.

coming up with a work out routine to build that kind of insane forearm power is a lot more difficult for a standard edge out grip, because the upper foream muscles are are inherently weaker and smaller then the larger lower forarm muscle.
 
Thanks for the grip training link. That is very useful. Yes, many people underestimate the grip strength required for holding a knife. Doing full on strikes with a training knife on a heavy bag will give most people a much more appreciation for it.

One big advantage that I like about Pikal is that it utilizes a locked wrist and convulsive grip. This removes the fine motor skills required for the draw and also makes for a more stable grip with less chance of accidentally losing the knife.

BTW, what system does your brother practice?
 
Ban said:
Thanks for the grip training link. That is very useful. Yes, many people underestimate the grip strength required for holding a knife. Doing full on strikes with a training knife on a heavy bag will give most people a much more appreciation for it.

One big advantage that I like about Pikal is that it utilizes a locked wrist and convulsive grip. This removes the fine motor skills required for the draw and also makes for a more stable grip with less chance of accidentally losing the knife.

BTW, what system does your brother practice?
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balancing dragon, a system of his own devise. I don't feel that i'm in any place to explain any of his systems in detail, because I don't have the extensive background he does or the technical mindset. "balancing dragon" contains weapons systems, grappling, and bare hands. the weapons system is broken down into katana, screwdriver/spike, stick, and knife systems. each system has separate parts for single weapon and dual weapon use. the katana has forward and reverse grips, the screwdriver system is interchangeable with any weapon that is pointed and long enough to hit the brain, the stick system has a specialized portion dedicated to crowbar use and is interchangeable with machete's, and the knife system has separate parts for different types of knives: folder, short fixed blade (3" or smaller) and medium fixed blade (3"-7"). the idea being that you shouldn't stab with a folder, and you can't hit the brain lungs or heart with a 3" fixed, so the most effective fight stopping techniques will change between blade types.

and there are also some small sections dedicated to individual ideas and applications, like how to move a persons body weight effectively during shoves and pushing.

for the most part, the underlying idea for his work is that you will be smaller and weaker then your apponent, and possibly out numbered. so your techniques shouldn't rely on overpowering your opponent (because he will always be stronger then you), and you should be ending the fight as quickly as possible.

I like his core systems because they are direct, and are logical in their approach. sparing with him makes me feel like i'm 5 years old again. everything I do opens me up to something horrible. the only thing i've got on him is boxing, and i'm quite positive that he could close on me and leave me with nothing.

knife sparing with him is an non stop teeth clenching hair raising squirm fest. to test me the first time i did an actual spar with him, he used a fast slash pattern without crossing his arms (if you watch a guys slashing pattern and can catch him crossing arms, you can potentially push in and temporarily block both arms against his body, opening him up for one good head shot), so it felt like there was nothing I could do to step into him, and all I could do was get my forearms cut up.

*shudders*


mostly I just keep dreaming of my iron claw system. a system that only brad johnson could use :D vulcan neck pinch? oh it's real alright. brad johnson can one arm pinch grip pull up off a 2x4 while pinch gripping a 10lb weight in the other hand. he grabs your neck, that muscle will no longer be attached to bone.
 
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here are three of the more directly knife fighter specific excersizes from his chapbook "bodyweight exercises for extraordinary strength". the one called "knife fighter pushups" being the most specific.

there is stuff in the book thats even more intense then whats here, like the extended 2x4 plank superman push up. you pinch grip a 2x4x12" peice of wood by the end, get into the superman position (like a push up, but with your arms extended forward), and then do a limited motion push up using your forarms, similar to the knife fighter push ups. I can't even hold the starting position. not even close.
 
Progunner said:
Interesting. I imagine you'd have a bit of explaining to do to an LEO if stopped with one of those folders, like when he holds it in a normal grip for the handle ergonomics, why the edge is on the spine. The farther away from a normal folder some of these things look, the more they get scrutinized. I do like the emphasis that the technique can cross over to anything like a ball point pen. I would hate tot run into him in a dark alley though. :eek: Talk about tenderized meat.
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I would have several questions :thumbup: Depending on the answers...several more questions :eek: I'm going home :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
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