Busse vs Spartan Blades vs Esee

Jeru said:
Awesome total package for the money in my opinion. And almost three times cheaper than a Busse or Spartan. So in that sense they're just not really comparable.
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And they should be, 1095 compared to INFI or the cost of the steels Spartan uses.... 1095 is CHEAP, costs literally nothing compared to the other steels.... The screws that hold the scales on cost more than the steel does in the typical EESE knife....

So I would hope they would be cheaper... ;)

So if EESE used a different steel like O1 the knives would cost a lot more than they do now....

And all of that is not a bad thing, they have a good business model that works and a solid customer base. :)

But to say EESE costs a lot less than the other knives isn't really telling whole story.....

They should cost less because of the materials used and they do so it's not like they are giving anything away for free, they cost less to produce so they cost less in the end.

It's really very simple, funny how some make it sound different or special...... It's simple mathematics......
 
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Ankerson said:
If you are thinking Busse then you are already going in the right direction because they really do back their products 100% and they are what Busse says they are and will do what Busse says they will do. That said with that warranty the knives better really be as good as they as they are and the good thing is they really are.

EESE, well they are good knives in a simple spring steel that is 1095, same steel you can get in knives ranging from $2 to thousands depending on the maker and the actual knife... They are OK, they are serviceable and the warranty is pretty good and they are priced in the lower range so if one is more budget minded then they will work fine. In the end nothing really special or even different about them that can't be had in a lot of other knives in 1095. They have built a good customer base over the years so that says something. Again, nothing really special at all about the knives or the steel that is a simple low cost spring steel that is used in lawnmower blades. A lot of hype surrounding the heat treatment of their 1095 and that's all complete utter BS and marketing because there are no special heat treatments of 1095 that are magic. 1095 is 1095, and is still 1095 in the end and having it heat treated correctly is not a big deal at all. I can provide links to Professional Heat treating Companies and phone numbers and they will tell you that very same thing.

Ka-Bar, well I carried a USMC Ka-Bar for 4 years when I was in the USMC (82-86) and it worked fine for what I needed it for.
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When it come to steel and heat treat, I'm often smell bias from your opinion to be honest.

You said that there are no special heat treat for the old cheap 1095 but please tell me why you always love to talk about the magic custom heat treat done by your favorite maker? especially with your favorite high wear steel?

You often bragging about how great Busse done on their steel? Isn't it was the reason of their particular heat treat make their steel so special:rolleyes:

I can't really count how many time you say something like your custom knife cutting performance is off scale or how much it better over the production knife with the same steel because of the extraordinary heat treat... And now you said there is nothing special about heat treat, seriously?
 
shqxk said:
When it come to steel and heat treat, I'm often smell bias from your opinion to be honest.

You said that there are no special heat treat for the old cheap 1095 but please tell me why you always love to talk about the magic custom heat treat done by your favorite maker? especially with your favorite high wear steel?

You often bragging about how great Busse done on their steel? Isn't it was the reason of their particular heat treat make their steel so special:rolleyes:

I can't really count how many time you say something like your custom knife cutting performance is off scale or how much it better over the production knife with the same steel because of the extraordinary heat treat... And now you said there is nothing special about heat treat, seriously?
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Like I always say, there are no magic heat treatments...... ;)

What custom maker? I know a lot of them, some that do their own heat treating and some that don't...

Some of the ones that do have the equipment to really narrow down what they can do, but that's doing one or two blades at a time so they have more control over what they are doing.... Not magic, just knowledge, experience, equipment and the ability to do it.

No, you can't compare a Custom knife by a maker that does their own heat treating and is good at what they do to a typical production blade and be fair about it in anyway.....

Unless some production company has access to an Aerospace level furnace, but that's not likely and nobody would be able to afford the knives if they did.....
 
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C_Becker said:
Well, how would you call someone who shoots ! a knife repeatedly with the intention to simply destroy it ? Thats not what their warranty is for, even if it is covered. Rude ? yes. Unprofessional? maybe. True ? absolutely.
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How many customers do you think will do that to their knife? Think it only happens to ESEE? There are videos of Bussekin being beaten in horrible ways, shot at, and... horror of horrors ... THROWN!!! :eek: I mean, what "idiot" (to use the words of ESEE owners and fans) would throw a knife made of "hardened steel", afterall:

ESEE KNIVES ARE NOT THROWING KNIVES! They are hardened to a higher Rockwell than throwing knives and will most likely break if thrown, possibly harming the user. So, do yourself and your ESEE knife a favor and DO NOT throw it. Using any knife not meant to be thrown as a throwing knife is idiotic! We would rather idiots not buy our knives.
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This is an amazing statement to me, since ESEE knives are 1095 steel at only 55-57 Rc. SOFT. Bussekin and Survive! knives are 59-61 Rc...

[video=youtube;QyBhMK5zlxU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyBhMK5zlxU[/video]
[video=youtube;iCphmLgvaV4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCphmLgvaV4[/video]

Go ahead and google "busse throwing" or "swamprat throwing". Learn what the folks at Busse or even Survive! think of their knives being thrown or of the customers doing it.

ESEE tells me that their high-priced soft-steel 'hard use' knife will break if thrown (that is practically a guarantee :confused:), and also that ANY knife so hardened will break (despite evidence to the contrary), and that I am an idiot. *shrug*
To me that type of guarantee means that ESEE are NOT 'hard use' knives. Good to know :thumbup:
 
I have never needed to throw a knife when camping, hiking or hunting, so I don't see the point in all of that....and to stay on topic, I prefer Fallkniven's knives.
 
The Busse was hammered into a blacktop driveway. Any knife is capable of being driven into that soft of a driveway material shy of a fillet knife. All the knives mentioned here could do the same exact thing with the same exact results.
 
Lee D said:
I have never needed to throw a knife when camping, hiking or hunting, so I don't see the point in all of that....and to stay on topic, I prefer Fallkniven's knives.
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Fallkniven is off topic, really, since they are never mentioned in the OP.
 
I stand corrected. I never considered Fallkniven to be hard use, but that's a matter of opinion.
 
amflud said:
I stand corrected. I never considered Fallkniven to be hard use, but that's a matter of opinion.
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if you haven't tried out their knives you should. ive beat the tar out of numerous F1s and an A1, and they are no slouch.
 
Maybe one day. They look like they're designed well and I haven't ready many negative things about them. I usually buy US made knives. I know US made doesn't necessarily mean "better", but it's still important to me. I do make exceptions, though.
 
I think it was a Fallkniven Lam.A1 'tested' by Noss, performed very well under absurd abuse. The handle material won't handle the same abuse that micarta or ResC will, but *shrug*.

They are indeed Japanese-made knives peddled out of Sweden and do not carry the same warranty as the US-makers already mentioned. Nevertheless, they are very well thought of on these forums.
 
trentu said:
The Busse was hammered into a blacktop driveway. Any knife is capable of being driven into that soft of a driveway material shy of a fillet knife. All the knives mentioned here could do the same exact thing with the same exact results.
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Please feel free to demonstrate on any of your $400-$500 knives, IMHO every dollar you pay for INFI gives you the peace of mind it isn't likely to fail under any conditions EVER. Fit and Finish are PERFECT. Resale is OFTEN higher than NEW even on a USED Busse. Warranty is Superb. The Owner and Crew hang out in the Forums, the Crew Half of which are Ladies are very Beautiful and NICE (Rare Combo). Customer Service Excellent.

Somebody want to show me a Negative here? The Lack of a sheath you say?

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Companies don't make 'em this nice to send out with the blade, and plenty of people make nice options here. So Busse is helping to support the Forum in a very big way.

I have no real experience with Spartan, or ESEE. I skipped from KaBar to Tops, and from Tops to Busse. I have no interest of searching past Busse and Kin for fixed blades.


I really REALLY love my TGLB. Do a search here and you will find most that have had one, really like them as well.
 
Ankerson said:
If you are thinking Busse then you are already going in the right direction because they really do back their products 100% and they are what Busse says they are and will do what Busse says they will do. That said with that warranty the knives better really be as good as they as they are and the good thing is they really are.

EESE, well they are good knives in a simple spring steel that is 1095, same steel you can get in knives ranging from $2 to thousands depending on the maker and the actual knife... They are OK, they are serviceable and the warranty is pretty good and they are priced in the lower range so if one is more budget minded then they will work fine. In the end nothing really special or even different about them that can't be had in a lot of other knives in 1095. They have built a good customer base over the years so that says something. Again, nothing really special at all about the knives or the steel that is a simple low cost spring steel that is used in lawnmower blades. A lot of hype surrounding the heat treatment of their 1095 and that's all complete utter BS and marketing because there are no special heat treatments of 1095 that are magic. 1095 is 1095, and is still 1095 in the end and having it heat treated correctly is not a big deal at all. I can provide links to Professional Heat treating Companies and phone numbers and they will tell you that very same thing.

Ka-Bar, well I carried a USMC Ka-Bar for 4 years when I was in the USMC (82-86) and it worked fine for what I needed it for.
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I don't know of any lawnmowers that use 1095 as their blades. As carbon steels go, 1095 is amongst the best.
 
Busse.

Why is this even a discussion:p

If price isn't a factor Busse is leagues ahead of Esee or Spartan.
If price is a factor Esee or Spartan will do just fine.
 
What about Green Berete besides it has cool military name? Fallkniven knives also look good. Btw. I thinks Busse is winning battle for my heart. What do you think of handle options. Micarta vs G10?
 
Wolf1524 said:
What about Green Berete besides it has cool military name? Fallkniven knives also look good. Btw. I thinks Busse is winning battle for my heart. What do you think of handle options. Micarta vs G10?
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I have G-10 on the TGLB, Black Paper on my Swamp Rat Rodent Solution, and Micarta on my two Top's knives. All are user's. My preference is the G-10, I have not experienced Busse's Micarta or their Res-C.
 
jdk1 said:
I can't comment on most of what you said, but it's probably correct. ESEE makes a great knife at a fair price, but to call the warranty "pretty good"? If you send ESEE a Junglas in two pieces, tell Jeff you got bored and cut it in half with a torch, he will send you a brand new one. That's about the BEST warranty I've ever seen. If another company can beat that, I'd like to hear the details.
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Yup. Esee and also bark river have a great warranty. Even better than Busse.
 
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